Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Importing namespaced functions
On Aug 8, 2013 9:31 PM, Daniel Bingham daniel.bing...@ellislab.com wrote: Hey Igor, I love the RFC, but how about: use bar\baz() as baz; As an alternative to use function. Still new syntax, but a little less wordy. The parenthesis add the feeling that it should be evaluated imho, I.e. the result of that function should be used as baz. That could possibly lead to confusion. I know you're suggesting as an additional syntax not alternative, but I don't get good vibes from it. Also might not even be possible due to how the parser handles parenthesis, but I'd have to look over the parser grammar to be sure. But another +1 from me on the RFC as a whole. Now its there I can't believe it took so long.
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Importing namespaced functions
Hey Leigh, I disagree that it suggests evaluation, but it could easily be a personal interpretation thing. In my interpretation, when looking at use statements, I know nothing is being evaluated. Symbols are being imported into the namespace. How likely is it that baz returns something that can be imported as a symbol? Would that even make sense as a feature, importing the results of an evaluated function? Actually, given those two questions, I can see how it would cause confusion if your initial interpretation is that it is being evaluated. For me, the parenthesis make it easier to read when scanning code. When scanning use statements, I'm not scanning the keywords, I'm scanning the included names. It's easier to look for parenthesis to denote functions, it makes them stand out from the class names more. As in this example below: use foo\bar\baz as baz; use bar\foo\baz() as baz; use bar\baz as bbaz; use baz\foo\bar as bar; use foo\bar() as bar; use baz\bar as bbar; Where as with use function I'd have to check back to the beginning of the phrase to determine whether I was looking at a class name or function. use foo\bar\baz as baz; use function bar\foo\baz as baz; use bar\baz as bbaz; use baz\foo\bar as bar; use function foo\bar as bar; use baz\bar as bbar; I think the difference mostly comes down to personal preference, and would be somewhat alleviated by syntax highlighting. Also, I have no knowledge of the PHP parser, so I have no idea how easy or hard this would be to implement. Daniel On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Leigh lei...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 8, 2013 9:31 PM, Daniel Bingham daniel.bing...@ellislab.com wrote: Hey Igor, I love the RFC, but how about: use bar\baz() as baz; As an alternative to use function. Still new syntax, but a little less wordy. The parenthesis add the feeling that it should be evaluated imho, I.e. the result of that function should be used as baz. That could possibly lead to confusion. I know you're suggesting as an additional syntax not alternative, but I don't get good vibes from it. Also might not even be possible due to how the parser handles parenthesis, but I'd have to look over the parser grammar to be sure. But another +1 from me on the RFC as a whole. Now its there I can't believe it took so long.
[PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Importing namespaced functions
Hi everyone, I just wanted to bump this topic, since there's not been much feedback during the last few weeks. Comments on the patch are also welcome. RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/use_function Patch: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/388 Thanks, Igor -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
AW: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Importing namespaced functions
Hi Igor, Personally I like your RFC. I also like the fact that it is possible to replace built-in functions where desired by declaring a corresponding use statement. I do not see aliases in your RFC but I guess it would also be possible to write things like: use function foo\bar as foo; cheers, Robert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Igor Wiedler [mailto:i...@wiedler.ch] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. August 2013 14:29 An: internals@lists.php.net Betreff: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Importing namespaced functions Hi everyone, I just wanted to bump this topic, since there's not been much feedback during the last few weeks. Comments on the patch are also welcome. RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/use_function Patch: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/388 Thanks, Igor -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Importing namespaced functions
Yes, aliases are supported just as you would expect. I will add an example to the RFC. Thanks, Igor On Aug 8, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Robert Stoll rst...@tutteli.ch wrote: Hi Igor, Personally I like your RFC. I also like the fact that it is possible to replace built-in functions where desired by declaring a corresponding use statement. I do not see aliases in your RFC but I guess it would also be possible to write things like: use function foo\bar as foo; cheers, Robert -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Importing namespaced functions
On 8 August 2013 14:29, Igor Wiedler i...@wiedler.ch wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to bump this topic, since there's not been much feedback during the last few weeks. Comments on the patch are also welcome. RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/use_function Patch: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/388 I like it. It improves the state for non-OOP in PHP. -- Regards, Mike -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Importing namespaced functions
Hey Igor, I love the RFC, but how about: use bar\baz() as baz; As an alternative to use function. Still new syntax, but a little less wordy. I have nothing for use const, but use const feels more natural to me than use function does. Just an idea for pondering! Dan On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Michael Wallner m...@php.net wrote: On 8 August 2013 14:29, Igor Wiedler i...@wiedler.ch wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to bump this topic, since there's not been much feedback during the last few weeks. Comments on the patch are also welcome. RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/use_function Patch: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/388 I like it. It improves the state for non-OOP in PHP. -- Regards, Mike -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
