Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: +1, next major version. Just following up on this patch from Nov 2010. Has there been any movement on this? As it's not committed, I was just wondering what the next major version would be PHP 5.4, 6, ? As always, I'm happy to provide patch updates/modifications on request. Thank you for your time! -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/ whats the status of this? should we create a formal vote in the wiki? -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On 08/06/2011 03:54 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: whats the status of this? should we create a formal vote in the wiki? The status of binary notation for integers? Did you miss it? Yes, there was a vote, and yes the feature is already in alpha3 which was released last week. https://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints http://svn.php.net/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=313756 -Rasmus -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote: On 08/06/2011 03:54 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: whats the status of this? should we create a formal vote in the wiki? The status of binary notation for integers? Did you miss it? Yes, there was a vote, and yes the feature is already in alpha3 which was released last week. yeah, I missed it in the mass vote, and the rfc still listed it under voting. https://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints http://svn.php.net/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=313756 https://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints?do=diffrev2%5B0%5D=1302087566rev2%5B1%5D= https://wiki.php.net/rfc?do=diffrev2%5B0%5D=1312628925rev2%5B1%5D=1312629022 but thanks anyway. :) -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: +1, next major version. Just following up on this patch from Nov 2010. Has there been any movement on this? As it's not committed, I was just wondering what the next major version would be PHP 5.4, 6, ? As always, I'm happy to provide patch updates/modifications on request. Thank you for your time! -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On 11/29/2010 05:42 PM, Jonah H. Harris wrote: I've posted a replacement of the 5.3 patch with one against trunk. +1 Regards, Mike -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
-1 I don't think this is necessary. On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I was recently working on some code which made use of bit arrays and I came across feature request 50648: Format for binary numbers. While it's just more syntactic sugar (0b1011010 vs 2010/0x7da/03732), it doesn't seem like too bad of an idea and it is also supported by a few other languages. If there's any interest, I'll clean up the patch and resubmit. Thoughts? -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Ilia Alshanetsky i...@prohost.org wrote: -1 I don't think this is necessary. It's certainly not necessary; it's a nice to have. Given the small amount of code required to implement the functionality, I believe it's worthwhile to add the notation as an option for developers to use. -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
+1, next major version. On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.com wrote: -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.comwrote: RFC updated with links to GCC, Python, and Ruby syntax definitions. I just noticed the patch (written against 5.3) doesn't apply cleanly to trunk and will be updating that shortly. In that same vein, I wanted to confirm whether the process for all new functionality is to provide a patch for trunk-only, or trunk+ back-ports? I've posted a replacement of the 5.3 patch with one against trunk. I'm working on a project that seems to consume all of my time, so sorry for the delay. -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.comwrote: RFC updated with links to GCC, Python, and Ruby syntax definitions. I just noticed the patch (written against 5.3) doesn't apply cleanly to trunk and will be updating that shortly. In that same vein, I wanted to confirm whether the process for all new functionality is to provide a patch for trunk-only, or trunk+ back-ports? -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Thomas Hruska thru...@cubiclesoft.comwrote: What languages are supporting this? (Besides PHP.) I'm not adverse to the feature but if you say other languages are doing this on the RFC page, please provide links to the relevant documentation of those languages. Ah. Finally found something via Google. An ISO C99 extension not a part of ANSI C++ but accepted by GCC even in C++ mode. Learned something new today. RFC updated with links to GCC, Python, and Ruby syntax definitions. -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On 11/10/2010 10:18 PM, Jonah H. Harris wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jonah H. Harrisjonah.har...@gmail.comwrote: Cool. I'll put together an updated patch. Source and documentation patches have been attached to the ticket. Don't forget to write a (brief) RFC on http://wiki.php.net/rfc Chris -- Email: christopher.jo...@oracle.com Tel: +1 650 506 8630 Blog: http://blogs.oracle.com/opal/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Christopher Jones christopher.jo...@oracle.com wrote: On 11/10/2010 10:18 PM, Jonah H. Harris wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jonah H. Harrisjonah.har...@gmail.com wrote: Cool. I'll put together an updated patch. Source and documentation patches have been attached to the ticket. Don't forget to write a (brief) RFC on http://wiki.php.net/rfc Will do. Thanks for the info. -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
2010/11/11 Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.com: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Christopher Jones christopher.jo...@oracle.com wrote: On 11/10/2010 10:18 PM, Jonah H. Harris wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jonah H. Harrisjonah.har...@gmail.com wrote: Cool. I'll put together an updated patch. Source and documentation patches have been attached to the ticket. Don't forget to write a (brief) RFC on http://wiki.php.net/rfc Will do. Thanks for the info. -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/ +1 It would definitely be a great addition! Looking forward to read the rfc. -- Patrick Allaert --- http://code.google.com/p/peclapm/ - Alternative PHP Monitor -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
+1 here. Just want to make sure the RFC is written and discussed before the patch is submitted. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Patrick ALLAERT patrickalla...@php.netwrote: 2010/11/11 Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.com: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Christopher Jones christopher.jo...@oracle.com wrote: On 11/10/2010 10:18 PM, Jonah H. Harris wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.com wrote: Cool. I'll put together an updated patch. Source and documentation patches have been attached to the ticket. Don't forget to write a (brief) RFC on http://wiki.php.net/rfc Will do. Thanks for the info. -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/ +1 It would definitely be a great addition! Looking forward to read the rfc. -- Patrick Allaert --- http://code.google.com/p/peclapm/ - Alternative PHP Monitor -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Thanks, Will Fitch Director of Operations | Quepasa.com 931.205.8242 | will.fi...@quepasacorp.com Twitter: twitter.com/willfitch
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Will Fitch will.fi...@quepasacorp.comwrote: +1 here. Just want to make sure the RFC is written and discussed before the patch is submitted. I just registered for Wiki access and am waiting for the account to be approved. As soon as it is, I'll submit the RFC. -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Jonah H. Harris wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Will Fitch will.fi...@quepasacorp.comwrote: +1 here. Just want to make sure the RFC is written and discussed before the patch is submitted. I just registered for Wiki access and am waiting for the account to be approved. As soon as it is, I'll submit the RFC. Done, you now access to the RFC namespace. Have fun :) Regards, Philip -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Philip Olson phi...@roshambo.org wrote: I just registered for Wiki access and am waiting for the account to be approved. As soon as it is, I'll submit the RFC. Done, you now access to the RFC namespace. Have fun :) Awesome! Thanks. -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Philip Olson phi...@roshambo.org wrote: I just registered for Wiki access and am waiting for the account to be approved. As soon as it is, I'll submit the RFC. Done, you now access to the RFC namespace. Have fun :) Awesome! Thanks. RFC added. I'm not sure what the protocol for RFCs is, but I put it under the In Discussion heading. Sorry if I was wrong. http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
Simple enough - I'm game with that. +1 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Philip Olson phi...@roshambo.orgwrote: I just registered for Wiki access and am waiting for the account to be approved. As soon as it is, I'll submit the RFC. Done, you now access to the RFC namespace. Have fun :) Awesome! Thanks. RFC added. I'm not sure what the protocol for RFCs is, but I put it under the In Discussion heading. Sorry if I was wrong. http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/ -- Thanks, Will Fitch Director of Operations | Quepasa.com 931.205.8242 | will.fi...@quepasacorp.com Twitter: twitter.com/willfitch
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
2010/11/11 Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.com: RFC added. I'm not sure what the protocol for RFCs is, but I put it under the In Discussion heading. Sorry if I was wrong. http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/ +1 for trunk -- regards, Kalle Sommer Nielsen ka...@php.net -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On 11/11/2010 3:23 PM, Jonah H. Harris wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Jonah H. Harrisjonah.har...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Philip Olsonphi...@roshambo.org wrote: I just registered for Wiki access and am waiting for the account to be approved. As soon as it is, I'll submit the RFC. Done, you now access to the RFC namespace. Have fun :) Awesome! Thanks. RFC added. I'm not sure what the protocol for RFCs is, but I put it under the In Discussion heading. Sorry if I was wrong. http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints What languages are supporting this? (Besides PHP.) I'm not adverse to the feature but if you say other languages are doing this on the RFC page, please provide links to the relevant documentation of those languages. Google is not being helpful - mostly just turns up this particular discussion thread and Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_numeral_system Mentions the notation briefly as being common in programming languages but then fails to list relevant programming languages (Wikipedia reference fail). I've never seen the option to do this in ANY programming language I have ever used. But I have definitely wanted such a feature on a few occasions. +1 for the feature and setting a new standard with an approach that makes sense. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Barebones CMS is a high-performance, open source content management system for web developers operating in a team environment. An open source CubicleSoft initiative. Your choice of a MIT or LGPL license. http://barebonescms.com/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Thomas Hruska thru...@cubiclesoft.comwrote: On 11/11/2010 3:23 PM, Jonah H. Harris wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Jonah H. Harrisjonah.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Philip Olsonphi...@roshambo.org wrote: I just registered for Wiki access and am waiting for the account to be approved. As soon as it is, I'll submit the RFC. Done, you now access to the RFC namespace. Have fun :) Awesome! Thanks. RFC added. I'm not sure what the protocol for RFCs is, but I put it under the In Discussion heading. Sorry if I was wrong. +1 for trunk http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints What languages are supporting this? (Besides PHP.) I'm not adverse to the feature but if you say other languages are doing this on the RFC page, please provide links to the relevant documentation of those languages. http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.6.html#pep-3127-integer-literal-support-and-syntax http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Literals/Integer#Clojure http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Literals/Integer#Common_Lisp http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Literals/Integer#D http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Literals/Integer#OCaml etc. Adam -- Nephtali: PHP web framework that functions beautifully http://nephtaliproject.com
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On 11/11/2010 7:55 PM, Thomas Hruska wrote: On 11/11/2010 3:23 PM, Jonah H. Harris wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Jonah H. Harrisjonah.har...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Philip Olsonphi...@roshambo.org wrote: I just registered for Wiki access and am waiting for the account to be approved. As soon as it is, I'll submit the RFC. Done, you now access to the RFC namespace. Have fun :) Awesome! Thanks. RFC added. I'm not sure what the protocol for RFCs is, but I put it under the In Discussion heading. Sorry if I was wrong. http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints http://wiki.php.net/rfc/binnotation4ints What languages are supporting this? (Besides PHP.) I'm not adverse to the feature but if you say other languages are doing this on the RFC page, please provide links to the relevant documentation of those languages. Google is not being helpful - mostly just turns up this particular discussion thread and Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_numeral_system Mentions the notation briefly as being common in programming languages but then fails to list relevant programming languages (Wikipedia reference fail). I've never seen the option to do this in ANY programming language I have ever used. But I have definitely wanted such a feature on a few occasions. +1 for the feature and setting a new standard with an approach that makes sense. Ah. Finally found something via Google. An ISO C99 extension not a part of ANSI C++ but accepted by GCC even in C++ mode. Learned something new today. http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Binary-constants.html http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/C-Extensions.html Hmm...now I'm wondering which is more correct: The phrase 'binary literal constants', 'binary constants', 'binary literals', or 'binary notation'? (Rhetorical). -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Barebones CMS is a high-performance, open source content management system for web developers operating in a team environment. An open source CubicleSoft initiative. Your choice of a MIT or LGPL license. http://barebonescms.com/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
Hey all, I was recently working on some code which made use of bit arrays and I came across feature request 50648: Format for binary numbers. While it's just more syntactic sugar (0b1011010 vs 2010/0x7da/03732), it doesn't seem like too bad of an idea and it is also supported by a few other languages. If there's any interest, I'll clean up the patch and resubmit. Thoughts? -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:31:19 -, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I was recently working on some code which made use of bit arrays and I came across feature request 50648: Format for binary numbers. While it's just more syntactic sugar (0b1011010 vs 2010/0x7da/03732), it doesn't seem like too bad of an idea and it is also supported by a few other languages. If there's any interest, I'll clean up the patch and resubmit. I think it's a good idea. It won't spark interest in those that have already memorized the more compact hexadecimal representation of nibbles, but otherwise it's useful a simple non-BC breaking addition. -- Gustavo Lopes -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Gustavo Lopes glo...@nebm.ist.utl.pt wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:31:19 -, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I was recently working on some code which made use of bit arrays and I came across feature request 50648: Format for binary numbers. While it's just more syntactic sugar (0b1011010 vs 2010/0x7da/03732), it doesn't seem like too bad of an idea and it is also supported by a few other languages. If there's any interest, I'll clean up the patch and resubmit. I think it's a good idea. It won't spark interest in those that have already memorized the more compact hexadecimal representation of nibbles, but otherwise it's useful a simple non-BC breaking addition. Agreed. I have often thought this would be useful. Best regards, --Matthew -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:46:50 pm Matthew Fonda wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Gustavo Lopes glo...@nebm.ist.utl.pt wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:31:19 -, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I was recently working on some code which made use of bit arrays and I came across feature request 50648: Format for binary numbers. While it's just more syntactic sugar (0b1011010 vs 2010/0x7da/03732), it doesn't seem like too bad of an idea and it is also supported by a few other languages. If there's any interest, I'll clean up the patch and resubmit. I think it's a good idea. It won't spark interest in those that have already memorized the more compact hexadecimal representation of nibbles, but otherwise it's useful a simple non-BC breaking addition. Agreed. I have often thought this would be useful. Best regards, --Matthew Especially given how common it is to use hex constants as bit flags, being able to define them in binary to begin with would help readability. (Yes, I just said writing in binary would help readability. God help us all. g) +1 --Larry Garfield -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Larry Garfield la...@garfieldtech.comwrote: On Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:46:50 pm Matthew Fonda wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Gustavo Lopes glo...@nebm.ist.utl.pt wrote: Especially given how common it is to use hex constants as bit flags, being able to define them in binary to begin with would help readability. (Yes, I just said writing in binary would help readability. God help us all. g) ;-) Cool. I'll put together an updated patch. -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
Re: [PHP-DEV] Supporting Binary Notation for Integers
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jonah H. Harris jonah.har...@gmail.comwrote: Cool. I'll put together an updated patch. Source and documentation patches have been attached to the ticket. -- Jonah H. Harris Blog: http://www.oracle-internals.com/
