Re: [Internetradio] CBC News : Liberal government tables legislation to force online giants to compensate news outlets
--- Begin Message --- I'm all for helping journalists and their outlets survive but this isn't a tool for the "little guy". Who is this money going to in Australia? My suspicion is that it goes to the largest news outlets who have expensive lawyers to pursue enforcement. I very much doubt that a small regional newspaper sees much of anything. Even if they "earn" something, getting it from Google or Microsoft is not easy. The larger outlets already force users to pay to see content (beyond a few per month) for revenue. Smaller outlets can't do that, or they won't get any traffic. I own web domains in several countries and some of the material appears in search engines and news aggregators in Australia. Everything I publish has copyrights attached. Neither I nor my staff will be holding our breath that a payment is on the way. And yes, Google knows where to find me. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Internetradio On Behalf Of John A. Figliozzi Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 4:16 PM To: w...@groups.io; internet discussion Subject: [Internetradio] CBC News : Liberal government tables legislation to force online giants to compensate news outlets Australia first did this. The US Congress should do it too. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/online-giants-must-pay-for-news-bill-1.6408 856 --- End Message --- ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] reciva.com shutting?
--- Begin Message --- Paul, If it is necessary to support the rescue of the database or firmware, I am willing to help if I can. Thanks for checking with your contacts. I'd hate to see the database and support for the radios ability to work go away. -- -Rob de Santos, K8RKD Horizons (Trends in Technology) Columnist Contributing Editor CQ Magazine -Original Message- From: Internetradio On Behalf Of Paul Webster Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 1:21 PM To: Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] reciva.com shutting? I have a Logic IR100 (probably was the most sold internet radio in UK at the start) and a Tangent Quattro - both Reciva powered. I recruited a small team of volunteers to help curate their database and handle lots of stream update requests in the early days - and I still have some editing rights there. If they could be persuaded to handover their domain names and ideally their backend application then it would be feasible for someone else to run it ... but no money in it and I think it would be quite a lot of work. Firmware is hackable though (see Sharpfin) so might be possible to rescue via a different route - still a lot of work though. Paul Webster > On 26 Oct 2020, at 17:01, John Figliozzi wrote: > > I wasn’t aware of the firmware situation. I assumed that all were using some > variant of Frontier Silicon because when their vTuner provider went dark over > a payment dispute their radios shifted over to Frontier’s set-up within a day > or two. > > I have a Pure Evoke F4 (no longer manufactured), Tivoli NetWorks (no longer > manufactured) and Como Audio Solo and Amico. All run Frontier Silicon. > > John > >> On Oct 26, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Paul Webster wrote: >> >> Reciva was not just a stream aggregator. >> They also provided the entire firmware for the radios. >> I think all of the radios that use(d) their service also ran their software. >> >> A while ago Grace Digital did a deal of some sort with them and >> gained access to the firmware - and I suspect they could also run the >> back-end ... but owners of other brands may well struggle because those >> brands gave up long ago. >> >> I have tried to contact someone who is/was at Reciva (Qualcomm) to see if I >> can get more information that I can share. >> No response yet. >> >> Paul Webster >> >>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:01:41 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>> Likely, the radio manufacturer will find another provider. But this >>> illustrates the weak spot of the wifi radio receiver — proprietary stream >>> amalgamators. What radio are you using? >>> >>> John Figliozzi >>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Eric Floden wrote: ? This banner was atop their page when I logged in this morning Notice: With effect from 31 January 2021 this website will be withdrawn. Please refer to your radio manufacturer or supplier. What does it mean? Do I need to light my hair on fire? ___ --- End Message --- ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] reciva.com PS
--- Begin Message --- In reality, it can’t. However, the RSS feed behind it has been broken or flaky for a long time. -- -Rob de Santos, K8RKD Horizons (Trends in Technology) Columnist Contributing Editor CQ Magazine From: Internetradio On Behalf Of Eric Floden Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 2:45 PM To: Internet radio discussion Subject: [Internetradio] reciva.com PS BTW, I have had the feeling that the Latest Additions are the same old stations, recycled every so often. But that can't be, can it? --- End Message --- ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
[Internetradio] BBC Names Next Director General
--- Begin Message --- https://tbivision.com/2020/06/05/bbc-names-bbc-studios-ceo-tim-davie-as-new-chief/ -- -Rob de Santos --- End Message --- ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] vTuner and Frontier Silicon
--- Begin Message --- Thanks, John for update. The articles on the Dutch site were informative. I tend to agree with the observations there and yours that the truth here is somewhere in between all the accusations flying back and forth. The database maintenance for all the online systems has always been an Achilles heel. None of the manufacturers wanted to pay the freight for their firmware or the database maintenance. My sense is that we will soon be left with one less player in the game if vTuner closes shop. Most of the maintenance to Reciva is now done by volunteers (who do an admirable job, all things considered). TuneIn (the US company) is a purely commercial operation at this point and not particularly easy to work with as an end user. Work on the Logitech system continues as an open source project. Slim pickings. Airable.radio seems small at this stage and it's too early to see if they can get up to critical mass. Ultimately, some sort of user selected database and maintenance may be all the devices will have in a year or two. Is there anyone who can reach out to the vTuner people and see if they can preserve (archive) their database, at least? Perhaps ask if they would consider working with the iradioforum crew? (Not speaking for anyone at iradioforum or whether they would be interested.) Also, articles at: https://www.teltarif.de/wlanradio-internetradio-frontier-silicon-vtuner-airable/news/76539.html (German language site) https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2282513/frontier-silicon-portal-not-working/p1 -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Internetradio On Behalf Of John Figliozzi Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:28 PM To: internet discussion Subject: [Internetradio] vTuner and Frontier Silicon Late last week, I speculated in a comment in the SWLing Post that a May 1 vTuner 11 hour outage and a subsequent and sudden decision by several of its former internet radio manufacturer users to drop and replace it was possibly related to a financial dispute of some kind. One of the radio manufacturers claimed that while vTuner had been a reliable partner for two decades, subsequent management was stating that it could not guarantee that the service would be continuing indefinitely due to inadequate funding. That manufacturer implied that the outage, a demand from vTuner for increased payment and the claimed potential for continued service interruptions and even cancellation were related incidents. An article dated May 12, 2019 on radiovisie.eu in Dutch fills in a lot of the blanks. While vTuner has had the most accurate and reliable catalog of internet radio streams worldwide, companies had been starting to abandon it. The current management of vTuner, also in a comment on the SWLing Post, claimed that former employees are pirating its information and poaching its clients. The Post expressed frustration with the low rate of payment and increasing expenses. Bose and Yamaha ended their agreements with vTuner in 2018. But the big blow came when Frontier Silicon, which has been an important development partner for vTuner for two decades, determined that vTuner was to blame for the May 1 11 hour outage that affected hundreds of thousand IP radio devices. The dispute apparently escalated in subsequent days to the point where Frontier decided to immediately and without prior warning switch to a new provider. That provider is a little known entity called airable.radio and offers far less in terms of user flexibility at least at this point in time. For its part, Frontier claims it had to move quickly to avoid the devices of its clients becoming completely unusable. vTuner claims it will probably have to close down soon given the current situation. Its CEO claims that, “The electronic consumer companies want everything for free, no matter how bad the quality of service is.” The move to airable.radio does represent a cheapening of the internet radio experience, a regrettable development given the expense involved in purchasing one of these devices. The article in radiovisie.eu says that there is increasing pressure on manufacturers to give users the option of selecting their own portals and using multiple portals instead of having to rely on the manufacturer’s choice of portals. This situation is a watershed moment for IP radio in general and internet radio manufacturers in particular. Absent a better solution that equals the expectations of those paying high prices for these quality units, this sector could be in dire trouble especially considering the competition presented by other radio playing devices. (There are two informative articles on this topic in radiovisie.eu which, in order to read, the reader must first translate the Dutch language articles to English. The airable.radio website appears to be only a placeholder with no information or details about its database.)
