Re: Name of the fork / Voting
M Rawash is right, developers / users of this new fork should pick this discussion up again once it exists. for now "notion" is the name of this fork, we will have more time to decide on a better name later, but right now we're moving on... new mailing lists: https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=314802 please subscribe. Need to understand if most people will subscribe to the list then the community will be agree in integral with this name, due to natural inertia of group of people. more people have subscribed to the list than have posted here so far. And.. who made you chief? nobody, hence: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1270776985.4591.143.camel%40localhost&forum_name=notion-devel regards, M Rawash NotionWM, NucleusWM, some pretty good suggestions. Hi all, sorry for being late for the vote, I'd vote for "nion" and "notion". With an existing "Notion" software, there's a small chance in having problems and a big chance not being googlable, and THAT is a bigger problem IMNSHO, just as panman wrote. We can probably solve it by using the name "NotionWM" instead of just "Notion". I'm not particularly good with coming up with names. ThinWM? TinyParticle? TilingMadeSimple? Quirk? (Told you I was terrible.) If we're going to find new names, I'm no better, but the Wikipedia "ion" page is great for finding metaphors: * Aurora - sounds like a new, beautiful and exciting stuff Competing on Google is the concept plane. * NucleusWM - sounds nice and would carry the idea of a small WM, but there are many other uses for this word, even in software. * Faraday - he discovered and named the ions. There are a lot of fun metaphors we can find ^^ * Polyatomic - well, that's geeky :) Just my 2 cents, I've been using ion for a long time, I've searched for all sorts of things related to ion. ion+window+manager is, as I say, useful to find formal ion documentation, or the website, etc. It is not useful for searching for informal posts or blogs. People aren't generally that specific. How did you searched for original ion(1)? I did it by: ion window manager and got expected result. Or more often I put into google: ion window manager documentation Did you ever tried to search the word "ion", or "ion howto"? And my vote: lion +1 - Lithium Ion, is third element in periodic table and the fork will be ion3plus based. ᚅ(nion) +1 On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:30:24 +0200 M Rawash wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 09:22 -0700, panman wrote: The way I wrote that was a little confusing. My meaning was (if I can do better this time) a search for debian+howto+notion will include any howto's for debian where someone had a notion since it's a common english word. Doing a search for various terms+notion generally finds hits from the presence of a sentence in the page about the notion of something or other. You're absolutely right, a legitimate page about a project called notion should rise above that sort of thing. I was not however really thinking of the legitimate site for the project. Consider a search for statusbar+notion, lua+notion, maximized+notion, keybindings+notion. The point is notion doesn't do a very good job of focusing the hits in on this project. A post someone makes on their blog regarding their experiences with notion containing the exact solution some future user is looking for could be very difficult to find. I found this to be the case with the name ion, without the '3' it's a very bad filter, and since people often drop the '3' in discussions about it, with the 3 it's a very bad filter. hmmm, we really should contact the "awesome" guys and ask them how they do it...
Re: FAILgasm
> NOBODY, almost NOBODY, is actually interested in making stuff NOT suck. I am. Most guys on this ML are, they even acknowledge that "not sucking" greatly varies for each. Wrong place to preach. > Did we perhaps forget somebody? Well, Tuomo has a far greater troll-power and writing talent. Sorry, fake Tuomo. -- Sylvain Abélard "J’ai décidé d’être heureux, c’est meilleur pour la santé." -Voltaire
FAILgasm
We see it once again! The failure of FOSS! The failure of IT! NOBODY, almost NOBODY, is actually interested in making stuff NOT suck. NOBODY is interested in the long-term. All interest lies in short-term satisfaction. All interest lies in simply making shit run on an ever growing pile of shit. We see the ENGINEER at work. We see the BUREAUCRAT at work. We see them shake hands with the MARKETDROID and the POLITICIAN. They will provide the chrome polish. Did we perhaps forget somebody?
Re: Name of the fork / Voting
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 10:11 +0200, M Rawash wrote: > On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 12:09 +0400, Evgeny Kurbatov wrote: > > > > > > > > * Aurora - sounds like a new, beautiful and exciting stuff > > > > Competing on Google is the concept plane. > > > > > > > > * NucleusWM - sounds nice and would carry the idea of a small WM, > > > > but there are many other uses for this word, even in software. > > > > > > > > * Faraday - he discovered and named the ions. > > > > There are a lot of fun metaphors we can find ^^ > > > > > > > > * Polyatomic - well, that's geeky :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents, > > > > > > > > > > for now "notion" is the name of this fork, we will have more time to > > > decide on a better name later, but right now we're moving on... > > > > > > new mailing lists: https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=314802 > > > > > > please subscribe. > > > > Need to understand if most people will subscribe to the list then the > > community will be agree in integral with this name, due to natural > > inertia of group of people. > > more people have subscribed to the list than have posted here so far. sorry, i misunderstood this part (well, not entirely my fault really), my argument is this, with every minute we spend here, discussing inane matters that will likely never be resolved anyway, we're losing momentum, as people don't feel like something is getting done/we're moving fast enough. also, the more we risk Tuomo pulling another one on us and finally putting the mailinglist to sleep, leaving us out in the cold, without a way to regroup or reestablish contact. this of course, does not solve the problem of "natural inertia of group of people", but it's a way to overcome it, and deal with it at our own base, later. M Rawash
Re: Name of the fork / Voting
> > > > * Aurora - sounds like a new, beautiful and exciting stuff > > Competing on Google is the concept plane. > > > > * NucleusWM - sounds nice and would carry the idea of a small WM, > > but there are many other uses for this word, even in software. > > > > * Faraday - he discovered and named the ions. > > There are a lot of fun metaphors we can find ^^ > > > > * Polyatomic - well, that's geeky :) > > > > > > Just my 2 cents, > > > > for now "notion" is the name of this fork, we will have more time to > decide on a better name later, but right now we're moving on... > > new mailing lists: https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=314802 > > please subscribe. Need to understand if most people will subscribe to the list then the community will be agree in integral with this name, due to natural inertia of group of people. And.. who made you chief?
Re: Name of the fork / Voting
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 12:09 +0400, Evgeny Kurbatov wrote: > > > > > > * Aurora - sounds like a new, beautiful and exciting stuff > > > Competing on Google is the concept plane. > > > > > > * NucleusWM - sounds nice and would carry the idea of a small WM, > > > but there are many other uses for this word, even in software. > > > > > > * Faraday - he discovered and named the ions. > > > There are a lot of fun metaphors we can find ^^ > > > > > > * Polyatomic - well, that's geeky :) > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents, > > > > > > > for now "notion" is the name of this fork, we will have more time to > > decide on a better name later, but right now we're moving on... > > > > new mailing lists: https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=314802 > > > > please subscribe. > > Need to understand if most people will subscribe to the list then the > community will be agree in integral with this name, due to natural > inertia of group of people. more people have subscribed to the list than have posted here so far. > And.. who made you chief? nobody, hence: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1270776985.4591.143.camel%40localhost&forum_name=notion-devel regards, M Rawash
