Re: [IPsec] [Last-Call] [secdir] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-qr-ikev2-09

2019-12-27 Thread S Moonesamy

Hi Ran,
At 11:16 AM 26-12-2019, R. Atkinson wrote:
In my experience, many countries other than the US also reference 
and use/follow many NIST specifications and many NIST recommendations/guidance.


Which countries, other than the U.S., reference many NIST specifications?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy 


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Re: [IPsec] [Last-Call] [secdir] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-qr-ikev2-09

2019-12-26 Thread Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)
To make sure we mention the NIST PQ Level categorization (that will not
change as the NIST PQ Project progresses), I was thinking we could add
something in the Sec Considerations section like 

   [...] Because of
   this, the user SHOULD ensure that the post-quantum preshared key used
   has at least 256 bits of entropy, in order to provide 128 bits of
   post-quantum security.  That provides security equivalent to Level 5
   defined in the NIST PQ Project Call For Proposals [NISTPQCFP]. 


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Subject: Re: [IPsec] [Last-Call] [secdir] Secdir last call review of
draft-ietf-ipsecme-qr-ikev2-09

On Wed, 25 Dec 2019, Valery Smyslov wrote:

> Uri, I don't mind referencing NIST levels, but I'd like to first hear 
> from my co-authors,
> 
> who are definitely more experienced in cryptography and in NIST levels 
> than I am :-)

I don't think mentioning the NIST competition is useful. Per definition,
that is incomplete preliminary data.

Paul

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Re: [IPsec] [Last-Call] [secdir] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-qr-ikev2-09

2019-12-26 Thread Paul Wouters

On Wed, 25 Dec 2019, Valery Smyslov wrote:


Uri, I don't mind referencing NIST levels, but I'd like to first hear from my 
co-authors,

who are definitely more experienced in cryptography and in NIST levels than I 
am :-)


I don't think mentioning the NIST competition is useful. Per definition,
that is incomplete preliminary data.

Paul

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