Re: Question about IPAM tools for v6

2014-02-03 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 03/02/2014 11:11, Sam Wilson wrote:
 Let me de-lurk and make the obvious point that using standard Ethernet
 addressing would limit the number of nodes on a single link to 2^47, and
 that would require every unicast address assigned to every possible
 vendor.  Using just the Locally Administered addresses would limit you
 to 2^46.

it bothers me that I can't find any switch with 2^46 ports.

Damned vendors.

Nick



Re: Question on DHCPv6 address assignment

2014-02-03 Thread Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
Fernando

Wrt to the Cisco DHCPv6 server (CNR):
1) sequential or random per configuration (can send multiple IA_NA/IA_TA
if there are multiple prefixes configured for this link)
2) while client can send a 'hint' to re-use previous addresses, the server
can do the same thing, we called this 'affinity', as well if using IA_NA
(or course not applicable to IA_TA :-))

PD is the same

Hope this helps

-éric

On 31/01/14 22:00, Fernando Gont ferna...@gont.com.ar wrote:

Folks,

I'm wondering about the following two aspects of different DHCPv6
implementations out there:

1) What's the pattern with which addresses are generated/assigned? Are
they sequential (fc00::1, fc00::2, etc.)?  Random? Something else?

2) What about their stability? Is there any intent/mechanism for them to
be as stable as possible? Or is it usual for hosts to get a new
address for each lease?

P.S.: I understand this is likely to vary from one implementation to
another... so please describe which implementation/version you're
referring to.

Thanks!

Best regards,
-- 
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Re: Question about IPAM tools for v6

2014-02-03 Thread Sam Wilson

On 3 Feb 2014, at 11:17, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:

 On 03/02/2014 11:11, Sam Wilson wrote:
 Let me de-lurk and make the obvious point that using standard Ethernet
 addressing would limit the number of nodes on a single link to 2^47, and
 that would require every unicast address assigned to every possible
 vendor.  Using just the Locally Administered addresses would limit you
 to 2^46.
 
 it bothers me that I can't find any switch with 2^46 ports.
 
 Damned vendors.


The back of my envelope says that with my vendor of choice and a 4-deep tree 
(7-hop old-style STP limit) of 384-port switches I can't get more than about 
2^34 edge ports.  Very disappointing.  That would need approximately 57 million 
routers, though, and 170 GW of electrical power, not counting the cooling 
requirements.  

-- 
Sam Wilson
Communications Infrastructure Section, IT Infrastructure
Information Services, The University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh, Scotland, UK



The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
Scotland, with registration number SC005336.



Re: Question about IPAM tools for v6

2014-02-03 Thread Sam Wilson

On 3 Feb 2014, at 11:58, Tim Chown t...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote:

 
 On 3 Feb 2014, at 11:32, Sam Wilson sam.wil...@ed.ac.uk wrote:
 
 
 On 3 Feb 2014, at 11:17, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:
 
 On 03/02/2014 11:11, Sam Wilson wrote:
 Let me de-lurk and make the obvious point that using standard Ethernet
 addressing would limit the number of nodes on a single link to 2^47, and
 that would require every unicast address assigned to every possible
 vendor.  Using just the Locally Administered addresses would limit you
 to 2^46.
 
 it bothers me that I can't find any switch with 2^46 ports.
 
 Damned vendors.
 
 
 The back of my envelope says that with my vendor of choice and a 4-deep tree 
 (7-hop old-style STP limit) of 384-port switches I can't get more than about 
 2^34 edge ports.  Very disappointing.  That would need approximately 57 
 million routers, though, and 170 GW of electrical power, not counting the 
 cooling requirements.  
 
 That's a lot of hamsters.


Turns out it's more hamsters than we have in the UK.  
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

Sam

-- 
Sam Wilson
Communications Infrastructure Section, IT Infrastructure
Information Services, The University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh, Scotland, UK



The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
Scotland, with registration number SC005336.



Re: Question on DHCPv6 address assignment

2014-02-03 Thread Mark Boolootian
Infoblox uses the ISC DHCP code.  I'm thin on details.

 1) What's the pattern with which addresses are generated/assigned? Are
 they sequential (fc00::1, fc00::2, etc.)?  Random? Something else?

The manual says When the server grants IPv6 leases, it uses an
algorithm based on the DUID of the client.

 2) What about their stability? Is there any intent/mechanism for them to
 be as stable as possible? Or is it usual for hosts to get a new
 address for each lease?

I've observed a system obtaining different IPv6 addresses when
presenting the same DUID.  However, my impression is that hosts
usually retain the same address across time.

mark