Re: Fwd: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[David Forrest]

Thanks to all of you for what you have done. I used a tunnel and now have
direct access. Almost 300 ISKs, not too bad for a small construction firm,
eh?  And only a couple of help requests over five years.

Kudos, Jeroen.

Re: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Dunc]

> 
> But can I trade in my 1,480 ISK for karma or other goods?
> 
> Thanks for the work you guys have done, RIP SixXS.
> 
> AlanC
> 

Trade for bitcoins I thought it was?


Seriously, thanks for all the years of hard work guys. All the best.

Cheers,

Dunc

Re: Fwd: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Lorenzo Colitti]

+1. So long, and thanks for running the service for many years and making a
meaningful contribution to the deployment and evolution of IPv6.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 3:34 AM, Doug Barton  wrote:

> I'll add a voice to the chorus. :)  Happy user off and on over many years,
> and deeply appreciative of all that you both have done to support the
> community.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Doug
>

Re: Fwd: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Doug Barton]

I'll add a voice to the chorus. :)  Happy user off and on over many 
years, and deeply appreciative of all that you both have done to support 
the community.


Best regards,

Doug

Re: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Brian E Carpenter]

Below...

On 24/03/2017 06:39, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> On 2017-03-23 18:28, David Farmer wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Brian E Carpenter
>> > wrote
>>  
>>
>> One detail not mentioned in the /sunset page. Will you leave the
>> ULA tool and registry in place (https://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/ula/
>> ) ?
>> I believe some people like that.
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>
>> I'd be interested in some data on the use of the ULA tool and registry,
>> I'd especially be interested in use over time.  Is use of the ULA
>> registry increasing or decreasing over the last few years?
> 
> That is an easy question to answer:
> 
> $ SELECT YEAR(ula_date) AS Year, COUNT(*) AS Count FROM grh_ulas GROUP
> BY YEAR(ula_date);
> +--+---+
> | Year | Count |
> +--+---+
> | 2007 |63 |
> | 2008 |   140 |
> | 2009 |   321 |
> | 2010 |   611 |
> | 2011 |   835 |
> | 2012 |   742 |
> | 2013 |   724 |
> | 2014 |  1096 |
> | 2015 |  1303 |
> | 2016 |   640 |
> | 2017 |   143 |
> +--+---+
> 11 rows in set (0.00 sec)
> 
> I would say that it is going down if we look at that count ;)
> 
>> Basically,
>> is there an argument for further or new work within the IPv6 community
>> on this front?
> 
>>From my POV not really. It is extremely simple to get a prefix from one
> of the RIRs. Yes, it costs some money, which is something that should be
> addressed IMHO. (routing gear etc costs money too though).
> 
> Also, more importantly, ULA is random per definition, and the chance of
> collisions is extremely low. (unless one does not use randomness).

I agree. I have never thought that ULA registration was useful. But
apparently some people were worried enough about collisions to use
the registry. In any case the little tool to generate a ULA prefix
is of value, so I hope you can leave that available.

Brian

> 
>> Or, should this service just be sustained as-is, maybe
>> finding a new home or new support over the long-term?  Or, should this
>> service also be sunset, maybe not on the same timeframe as the other
>> SixXS services?
>>
>> Personally, if anything, I like to see some new work here, but I'd like
>> to drive what that is or should be with some data. 
> 
> Like with many things, I first would ask: what are the
> requirements/usecases/etc.
> 
>> Finally, many thanks to SixXS for their years of service to the IPv6
>> community!  And, kudos for planning an orderly sunset, rather than
>> decaying into oblivion.   
> 
> We have been warning people since December 2015. Hopefully since then
> they actually called their ISP or changed to ones that support IPv6.
> 
> Greets,
>  Jeroen
> 
> 
> 

Re: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Jeroen Massar]

On 2017-03-23 18:28, David Farmer wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Brian E Carpenter
> > wrote
>  
> 
> One detail not mentioned in the /sunset page. Will you leave the
> ULA tool and registry in place (https://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/ula/
> ) ?
> I believe some people like that.
> 
>Brian
> 
> 
> I'd be interested in some data on the use of the ULA tool and registry,
> I'd especially be interested in use over time.  Is use of the ULA
> registry increasing or decreasing over the last few years?

That is an easy question to answer:

$ SELECT YEAR(ula_date) AS Year, COUNT(*) AS Count FROM grh_ulas GROUP
BY YEAR(ula_date);
+--+---+
| Year | Count |
+--+---+
| 2007 |63 |
| 2008 |   140 |
| 2009 |   321 |
| 2010 |   611 |
| 2011 |   835 |
| 2012 |   742 |
| 2013 |   724 |
| 2014 |  1096 |
| 2015 |  1303 |
| 2016 |   640 |
| 2017 |   143 |
+--+---+
11 rows in set (0.00 sec)

I would say that it is going down if we look at that count ;)

> Basically,
> is there an argument for further or new work within the IPv6 community
> on this front?

>From my POV not really. It is extremely simple to get a prefix from one
of the RIRs. Yes, it costs some money, which is something that should be
addressed IMHO. (routing gear etc costs money too though).

Also, more importantly, ULA is random per definition, and the chance of
collisions is extremely low. (unless one does not use randomness).

> Or, should this service just be sustained as-is, maybe
> finding a new home or new support over the long-term?  Or, should this
> service also be sunset, maybe not on the same timeframe as the other
> SixXS services?
> 
> Personally, if anything, I like to see some new work here, but I'd like
> to drive what that is or should be with some data. 

Like with many things, I first would ask: what are the
requirements/usecases/etc.

> Finally, many thanks to SixXS for their years of service to the IPv6
> community!  And, kudos for planning an orderly sunset, rather than
> decaying into oblivion.   

We have been warning people since December 2015. Hopefully since then
they actually called their ISP or changed to ones that support IPv6.

Greets,
 Jeroen

Re: Fwd: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[David Farmer]

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com> wrote


> One detail not mentioned in the /sunset page. Will you leave the
> ULA tool and registry in place (https://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/ula/) ?
> I believe some people like that.
>
>Brian
>

I'd be interested in some data on the use of the ULA tool and registry, I'd
especially be interested in use over time.  Is use of the ULA registry
increasing or decreasing over the last few years?  Basically, is there an
argument for further or new work within the IPv6 community on this front?
Or, should this service just be sustained as-is, maybe finding a new home
or new support over the long-term?  Or, should this service also be sunset,
maybe not on the same timeframe as the other SixXS services?

Personally, if anything, I like to see some new work here, but I'd like to
drive what that is or should be with some data.

Finally, many thanks to SixXS for their years of service to the IPv6
community!  And, kudos for planning an orderly sunset, rather than decaying
into oblivion.

-- 
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Re: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Alan Clegg]

On 3/23/17 12:24 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote:

> See FAQ of https://www.sixxs.net/sunset/ that answers the question.
> 
> We are quite responsible :)

But can I trade in my 1,480 ISK for karma or other goods?

Thanks for the work you guys have done, RIP SixXS.

AlanC



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Re: Fwd: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Pim van Pelt]

Hoi,

Thanks, Brian, Tim and Gert. I do appreciate the recognition and
acknowledgements.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> One detail not mentioned in the /sunset page. Will you leave the
> ULA tool and registry in place (https://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/ula/) ?
> I believe some people like that.
>

This is an excellent question, which I'll leave to Jeroen to answer. Our
webservers aren't going anywhere, but it may take a little while to piece
out the ULA bits from the other database activity we have, and it's my
intention to destroy the PII (ie the database) after the sunset. I'll make
a note of coming back to this after the dust settles.

groet,
Pim
-- 
Pim van Pelt 
PBVP1-RIPE - http://www.ipng.nl/

Re: Fwd: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Brian E Carpenter]

As for the thanks, let me start here: *many* thanks.

> We note the trend of traffic is on a downwards trajectory since H2 2015.

I can see that, although I'd have been tempted to wait until it was closer
to zero (I think 6bone traffic was negligible when it went off, and 6to4
traffic was negligible when we deprecated it).

One detail not mentioned in the /sunset page. Will you leave the
ULA tool and registry in place (https://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/ula/) ?
I believe some people like that.

   Brian
On 24/03/2017 04:25, Pim van Pelt wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Schäfer 
> wrote:
> 
>> https://www.root.cz/clanky/sixxs-vypne-ipv6-tunely-sluzby-ukonci-6-cervna/
>>
> 
> The article sums it up quite well, and the author understood I think the
> rationale quite well. I've asked them to change the link at the top of
> their article from a WIP document that I had sent to the SixXS admin
> community this week, and instead point folks at
> https://www.sixxs.net/sunset/ which contains the rationale (also in Josh'
> forward upthread).
> 
> Obviously many users will be asking questions, or simply saying thanks over
> the next few days. I intend to engage with the IPv6 community next week,
> although my thoughts are kind of wrapped up in the sunset rationale here.
> Do let me know if you have thoughts or further discussion points. Would be
> happy to collate them from *NOG, ipv6-* and publish those as well.
> 
> All the best,
> Pim
> 
> 

Re: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Gert Doering]

Hi,

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 03:38:58PM +, Tim Chown wrote:
> I think SiXXS and tunnel broker.net have both been 
> excellent services over the (many) years, and certainly good value for money 
> for the users :)   Many thanks for providing it!
> 
> I understand the rationale. I???ve generally been a 
> tunnelbroker.net guy, but now rarely use it as I???m 
> finding IPv6 more widely available, and have had it natively at home in the 
> UK for a few years now. I think your observation of "SixXS is no longer able 
> to contribute to the solution, and is hampering its own goals of facilitating 
> the migration of consumers to native IPv6??? rings true.
> 
> All the best Pim (and Jeroen!)

What Tim said.  Thanks, sixxs folks.

Gert Doering
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Re: Fwd: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Pim van Pelt]

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Schäfer 
wrote:

> https://www.root.cz/clanky/sixxs-vypne-ipv6-tunely-sluzby-ukonci-6-cervna/
>

The article sums it up quite well, and the author understood I think the
rationale quite well. I've asked them to change the link at the top of
their article from a WIP document that I had sent to the SixXS admin
community this week, and instead point folks at
https://www.sixxs.net/sunset/ which contains the rationale (also in Josh'
forward upthread).

Obviously many users will be asking questions, or simply saying thanks over
the next few days. I intend to engage with the IPv6 community next week,
although my thoughts are kind of wrapped up in the sunset rationale here.
Do let me know if you have thoughts or further discussion points. Would be
happy to collate them from *NOG, ipv6-* and publish those as well.

All the best,
Pim


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PBVP1-RIPE - http://www.ipng.nl/

Re: Fwd: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Thomas Schäfer]

Am 23.03.2017 um 16:11 schrieb Josh Galvez:

Received this message this morning, thought you'd all appreciate
seeing it...




It was already published yesterday:

https://www.root.cz/clanky/sixxs-vypne-ipv6-tunely-sluzby-ukonci-6-cervna/

but to good news, there still bad news


http://ral-arturo.org/2017/03/22/ipv6-cgnat.html


Somebody from Spain here?


Regards,

Thomas

Fwd: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06

[Josh Galvez]

Received this message this morning, thought you'd all appreciate seeing
it...

-Josh

-- Forwarded message --
From: Pim van Pelt <p...@ipng.nl>
Date: Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 8:57 AM
Subject: SixXS shutting down 2017-06-06


TL/DR: SixXS is shutting down on 2017-06-06 (in ~10 weeks).

In 1999, Jeroen and I started SixXS, a project which aimed to provide IPv6
connectivity to users who wanted to learn about the network protocol and
gain experience operating IPv6 networks. Our vision was to facilitate
migration to IPv6 in content and access providers.

We were able to provide IPv6 to 50'000+ individual users and companies in
140+ countries, using servers hosted at 40+ Internet providers in 30+
countries. We are incredibly proud of what we've accomplished together, and
how many people have gotten to know all about IPv6 due to our combined
efforts.

We are reaching out to you as you are registered in our system as having one
or more active IPv6 tunnels. We have chosen a somewhat symbolic date of
2017-06-06 to turn down the SixXS services, which should give you ten weeks
to arrange alternative connectivity.

We have completed a retrospective and rationale document, which details our
experience developing and operating the SixXS tunnelbroker over the last 18
years. We have worked through our plans with the many dedicated ISPs that
have
been involved:
https://www.sixxs.net/sunset/

We realize that SixXS has gotten a lot of attention in the last 18 years. We
will be reaching out to IPv6 communities around the world, to explain our
decision to them as well.

--
Kindest Regards,
Pim van Pelt and Jeroen Massar (SixXS founders)