Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Chuck Hutton]

I'll put their opinions in the trash can where they belong, as there is no such 
thing as a "digital harmonic" and - assuming they mean simply "harmonic", 
harmonics are not the issue with digital codecs. It's rather the artifacts of 
the compression that cause the odd swirls, muffling and artificial sound. None 
of that has anything to do with harmonics.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Patrick Martin 

Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 4:53 AM
To: IRCA
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

Chuck,

Two broadcasting engineers I know, both in CA state that they have acute 
hearing and to them, the digital harmonics drive them nuts, if they have to 
monitor IBOC audio too long. It is quite personal to them. Some people like 
vinyl as the audio has the "warmth" that digital audio lacks. I kind of agree 
with that, as I have compared both many times. An album sounds better to me, if 
played through a good sound system. My hearing is not that acute that affects 
me listening to digital. IBOC audio sounds fine to me as well as the streaming 
audio, but to some digital audio is not to their liking.

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: charle...@msn.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:38:55 +
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> Results
>
> Patrick:
>
> Audio quality testers have been aware of that for a hundred years. That's why 
> professional audio testing always uses many listeners, male and female, old 
> and youg, etc. That's exactly what the consultant did that wrote the IBOC 
> audio quality report.
>
> And as for the engineers that hate it, you have to tell me why. There are a 
> lot of emotions surrounding IBOC, and with just your words I can't tell if 
> they have an agenda.
>
> As for why I dislike (it seems wrong to say "hate") IBOC audio quality: the 
> hybrid mode was the lowest quality of FM, analog AM, digital FM, or most 
> streaming channels. The all digital quality only gets it up to just below 
> analog FM. Still in last place.but possibly equal to many streaming channels.
>
> Chuck
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Patrick Martin 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 12:08 AM
> To: IRCA
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
>
> Chuck,
>
> I think with IBOC, if is up to the person's ears. I know several CE's that 
> hates digital audio, especially IBOC.
>
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
>
> > From: charle...@msn.com
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:33:58 +
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test  
> >   Results
> >
> > It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC 
> > and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more 
> > interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does 
> > something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of 
> > desire so far.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > 
> > From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM
> > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test  
> > Results
> >
> > Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the
> > cost for stations to do so
> > coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would
> > indeed likely be the final
> > nail in the coffin.
> >
> > Russ Edmunds
> > 15 mi NW Phila
> > Grid FN20id
> > 
> >
> > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
> > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
> > modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
> > Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> >
> > > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All
> > > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more  is
> > > moving to streaming.
> > >
> > > Patrick Martin
> > > Seaside OR
> > > KGED QSL Manager
> > >
> > > > From: wb6...@gmail.com
> > > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
> > > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> > > Results
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPad
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Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Patrick Martin]

Chuck,

Two broadcasting engineers I know, both in CA state that they have acute 
hearing and to them, the digital harmonics drive them nuts, if they have to 
monitor IBOC audio too long. It is quite personal to them. Some people like 
vinyl as the audio has the "warmth" that digital audio lacks. I kind of agree 
with that, as I have compared both many times. An album sounds better to me, if 
played through a good sound system. My hearing is not that acute that affects 
me listening to digital. IBOC audio sounds fine to me as well as the streaming 
audio, but to some digital audio is not to their liking.

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: charle...@msn.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:38:55 +
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> Results
> 
> Patrick:
> 
> Audio quality testers have been aware of that for a hundred years. That's why 
> professional audio testing always uses many listeners, male and female, old 
> and youg, etc. That's exactly what the consultant did that wrote the IBOC 
> audio quality report.
> 
> And as for the engineers that hate it, you have to tell me why. There are a 
> lot of emotions surrounding IBOC, and with just your words I can't tell if 
> they have an agenda.
> 
> As for why I dislike (it seems wrong to say "hate") IBOC audio quality: the 
> hybrid mode was the lowest quality of FM, analog AM, digital FM, or most 
> streaming channels. The all digital quality only gets it up to just below 
> analog FM. Still in last place.but possibly equal to many streaming channels.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Patrick Martin 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 12:08 AM
> To: IRCA
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> I think with IBOC, if is up to the person's ears. I know several CE's that 
> hates digital audio, especially IBOC.
> 
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
> 
> > From: charle...@msn.com
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:33:58 +
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test  
> >   Results
> >
> > It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC 
> > and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more 
> > interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does 
> > something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of 
> > desire so far.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > 
> > From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM
> > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test  
> > Results
> >
> > Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the
> > cost for stations to do so
> > coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would
> > indeed likely be the final
> > nail in the coffin.
> >
> > Russ Edmunds
> > 15 mi NW Phila
> > Grid FN20id
> > 
> >
> > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
> > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
> > modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
> > Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> >
> > > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All
> > > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more  is
> > > moving to streaming.
> > >
> > > Patrick Martin
> > > Seaside OR
> > > KGED QSL Manager
> > >
> > > > From: wb6...@gmail.com
> > > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
> > > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> > > Results
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPad
> > > > ___
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> 

[IRCA] TP 29 Apr Victoria version

[Nick Hall-Patch]

Things are falling apart in a big way...


pretty darn good audio (all of it understandable by a native speaker, 
at least briefly):


no


Reasonable audio  at  times during the period (much of it 
understandable by a native speaker, though often battling w/splash or noise):


1566 HLAZ man in Japanese 1241UT




not so reasonable audio, occasional words or phrases in splash or 
noise could be understood by a native speaker:


747 JOIB English lessons briefly peaked at this level 1220UT, no parallels
1566 HLAZ man in Chinese 1209UT



Burbles in the splatter and noise (if lucky, language might be 
guessed at by cadence of talk, or parallel established by changes in 
talk or music)


the above passing through


Strongish het, no or "near imaginary" audio (either undermodulated or 
ravaged by splatter)


1242 1287 1323




best wishes,

Nick

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[IRCA] Reviews of SDRPlay for AM and FM DXing

[Les Rayburn]

News today that SDRPlay had acquired the Studio 1 software has inspired me to 
take another look at this receiver. I’m very happy with my Elad FDM-S2 for AM 
DXing (and some FM DXing as well) while my AirPlay happily allows me to record 
large swaths of the FM band during openings. The combination has proven to be 
life-changing. 

But the Studio 1 software is so praised by many that now I’m wondering about 
the SDRPlay for broadcast DXing. Any DX’ers out there using this receiver for 
either AM or FM DXing? Thoughts? 


73,

Les Rayburn, N1LF
121 Mayfair Park
Maylene, AL 
EM63nf

Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. 

Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR, Quantum Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook 
Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. 


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[IRCA] WWV Solar Report

[NOAA WWV]

:Product: Geophysical Alert Message wwv.txt
:Issued: 2016 Apr 30 0005 UTC
# Prepared by the US Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, Space Weather Prediction Center
#
#  Geophysical Alert Message
#
Solar-terrestrial indices for 29 April follow.
Solar flux 92 and estimated planetary A-index 4.
The estimated planetary K-index at  UTC on 30 April was 1.
No space weather storms were observed for the past 24 hours.
Space weather for the next 24 hours is predicted to be minor.
Geomagnetic storms reaching the G1 level are likely.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Trends -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Date 27   27   27   28   28   28   28   28   28   29   29   29   29   30
UTC  1500 1800 2100  0300 0600 0900 1200 1500 1200 1500 1800 2100 
SFlx 85   85   93   93   93   93   93   93   93   95   95   95   92   92
A-in 6610   10   10   10   10   10   10   55554
K-in 23222122111011
Current Solar information available at http://www.am-dx.com/wwv.htm



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[IRCA] April 2016 Grayland Ultralight DXpedition Report

[d1028gary]

From April 1-4 a collection of Ultralight radios and FSL antennas (both 
hard-wired and inductively coupled) chased Asian and DU-DX on the flat ocean 
beach of Grayland, WA. This departure from the usual Oregon ocean cliff 
DXpedition  arrangement was necessitated by the need to stay relatively close 
to home during the first week of the month. Although the lack of a 
splatter-reducing cliff was noticeable during a generous DU opening on April 3 
the overall TP-DXing results were certainly better than expected for this 
late-season period, with a nice combination of Asians and DU's. A primary 
objective of the trip was to test the new hard-wired 3" FSL Tecsun PL-380 
models in an ocean beach environment. and these results were very inspiring, 
both for Asian and DU reception. 
  
The stand-alone 3" FSL PL-380 models proved that they could offer quite a lot 
of transoceanic DXing fun for their $95 construction cost and compact size, 
tracking down several second-tier Asian signals at strong levels. Perhaps their 
best DX reception was the "one that got away," however-- a strong TP signal 
with exotic-sounding music on 1377 that was not // with CNR1 or NHK2. An 
interesting UnID TP signal on 1566 temporarily dominant over HLAZ was also 
received on the same morning, as well as the usual mid-band CRI stations at 
strong levels. During the regular TP season these tiny little monsters should 
provide a lot of ocean beach excitement, not to mention their potential for 
some serious portable DXing fun when the solar conditions improve dramatically 
in a couple of years. 
A potent DU opening on April 3rd resulted in the strongest signal I've ever 
received from 531-4KZ (now 10 kW, according to its web site), as well as 
several other vibrant Australians on the 15" FSL antenna and CC Skywave 
combination. Unlike a typical Rockwork 4 DXpedition the Kiwi signals were few 
and far between, though, with only 531-PI and a presumed 603-Waatea showing up 
along with the Aussies. 
  
For those interested, the full DXpedition report is posted at the link below. 
http://www.mediafire.com/download/1n7r6fovyta7pqs/April_2016_Grayland.doc   
  
73 and Good DX, 
Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA) 
  
  
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Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Chuck Hutton]

Patrick:

Audio quality testers have been aware of that for a hundred years. That's why 
professional audio testing always uses many listeners, male and female, old and 
youg, etc. That's exactly what the consultant did that wrote the IBOC audio 
quality report.

And as for the engineers that hate it, you have to tell me why. There are a lot 
of emotions surrounding IBOC, and with just your words I can't tell if they 
have an agenda.

As for why I dislike (it seems wrong to say "hate") IBOC audio quality: the 
hybrid mode was the lowest quality of FM, analog AM, digital FM, or most 
streaming channels. The all digital quality only gets it up to just below 
analog FM. Still in last place.but possibly equal to many streaming channels.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Patrick Martin 

Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 12:08 AM
To: IRCA
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

Chuck,

I think with IBOC, if is up to the person's ears. I know several CE's that 
hates digital audio, especially IBOC.

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: charle...@msn.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:33:58 +
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> Results
>
> It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC 
> and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more 
> interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does 
> something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of 
> desire so far.
>
> Chuck
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 
> 
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test  
> Results
>
> Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the
> cost for stations to do so
> coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would
> indeed likely be the final
> nail in the coffin.
>
> Russ Edmunds
> 15 mi NW Phila
> Grid FN20id
> 
>
> AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
> FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
> modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
> Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
>
> > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All
> > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more  is
> > moving to streaming.
> >
> > Patrick Martin
> > Seaside OR
> > KGED QSL Manager
> >
> > > From: wb6...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
> > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> > Results
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709
> > >
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Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Patrick Martin]

Russ,

I totally agree. If AM goes completely digital, you might as well shut off the 
transmitters. No one is listening and no one cares. Except for a few 
automobiles , I am the only one around here with an IBOC radio. The only reason 
I have the Sony, is a friend gave it to me.

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 06:45:42 -0400
> From: wb2...@gmail.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> Results
> 
> Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the
> cost for stations to do so
> coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would
> indeed likely be the final
> nail in the coffin.
> 
> Russ Edmunds
> 15 mi NW Phila
> Grid FN20id
> 
> 
> AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
> FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
> modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
> Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> 
> > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All
> > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more  is
> > moving to streaming.
> >
> > Patrick Martin
> > Seaside OR
> > KGED QSL Manager
> >
> > > From: wb6...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
> > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> > Results
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
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Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Patrick Martin]

Chuck,

I think with IBOC, if is up to the person's ears. I know several CE's that 
hates digital audio, especially IBOC.

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: charle...@msn.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:33:58 +
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> Results
> 
> It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC 
> and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more 
> interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does 
> something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of 
> desire so far.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 
> 
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test  
> Results
> 
> Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the
> cost for stations to do so
> coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would
> indeed likely be the final
> nail in the coffin.
> 
> Russ Edmunds
> 15 mi NW Phila
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> 
> 
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> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> 
> > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All
> > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more  is
> > moving to streaming.
> >
> > Patrick Martin
> > Seaside OR
> > KGED QSL Manager
> >
> > > From: wb6...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
> > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> > Results
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709
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Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Chuck Hutton]

Rick:

Hybrid AM IBOC uses a 20 kv/s codec. In testing, about half of listeners said 
they would discontinue listening to it.

All digital IBOC AM  can use a 40 or 60 kb/s codec. The quality is distinctly 
better for the 60 kb/s coder: only 1 in 7 listeners would discontinue listening 
to it.
 
There's a sharp increase in perceived quality at 48 jb/s and up.

I don't know what mode (40 or 60 kb/s) was used for the KRKO tests. I'm not 
sure they revealed that info but I no longer have any professional ties to that 
arena so didn't read every word.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Rick Lewis 

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 6:25 PM
To: 'Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America'
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel   Lab Test
Results

Hi Chuck,
More robust? I'll grant that. But in the demonstrations done here, I didn't
find the sound to be better. The same? Yes. Better, no.
Unless those tests weren't done in a way that would show the potential of
all-digital IBOC.
--
Rick

-Original Message-
From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hutton
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 5:34 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America

Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
Results

It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC
and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more
interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does
something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of
desire so far.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
Results

Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the
cost for stations to do so coupled with the lack of interest already and the
lack of receivers would indeed likely be the final nail in the coffin.

Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
Grid FN20id


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FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun
PL-310 ( 2); modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; Grundig G8 w/whip;
modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip


On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:

> My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All
> digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more
> is moving to streaming.
>
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
>
> > From: wb6...@gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> Results
> >
> >
> http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital
> -am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709
> >
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Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Chuck,
More robust? I'll grant that. But in the demonstrations done here, I didn't
find the sound to be better. The same? Yes. Better, no.
Unless those tests weren't done in a way that would show the potential of
all-digital IBOC.
--
Rick

-Original Message-
From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hutton
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 5:34 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America

Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
Results

It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC
and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more
interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does
something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of
desire so far.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
Results

Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the
cost for stations to do so coupled with the lack of interest already and the
lack of receivers would indeed likely be the final nail in the coffin.

Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
Grid FN20id


AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun
PL-310 ( 2); modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; Grundig G8 w/whip;
modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip


On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:

> My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All 
> digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more  
> is moving to streaming.
>
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
>
> > From: wb6...@gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> Results
> >
> >
> http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital
> -am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709
> >
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Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Bill Whitacre]

There are many parallels to AM IBOC in the U.S. and DRM on shortwave.  Neither 
have ‘revitalized’ the medium though they can produce remarkable reception 
under the right conditions at the expense of other services nearby.

It seems to me counter-productive to keep ‘fighting the flow of technology’ to 
keep pushing these old spectrums to do things they’re not meant to.

It may well be time to put the red wrist band on them, indicating ‘Do Not 
Resuscitate,' and allow them find their own way into history.

---

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Chuck Hutton  wrote:
> 
> It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC 
> and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more 
> interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does 
> something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of 
> desire so far.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 
> 
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test  
> Results
> 
> Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the
> cost for stations to do so
> coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would
> indeed likely be the final
> nail in the coffin.
> 
> Russ Edmunds
> 15 mi NW Phila
> Grid FN20id
> 
> 
> AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
> FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
> modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
> Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> 
>> My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All
>> digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more  is
>> moving to streaming.
>> 
>> Patrick Martin
>> Seaside OR
>> KGED QSL Manager
>> 
>>> From: wb6...@gmail.com
>>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
>>> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>>> Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
>> Results
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709
>>> 
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Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Chuck Hutton]

It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC and 
is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more 
interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does 
something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of 
desire so far.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test  Results

Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the
cost for stations to do so
coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would
indeed likely be the final
nail in the coffin.

Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
Grid FN20id


AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip


On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:

> My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All
> digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more  is
> moving to streaming.
>
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
>
> > From: wb6...@gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> Results
> >
> >
> http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709
> >
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Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Russ Edmunds]

Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the
cost for stations to do so
coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would
indeed likely be the final
nail in the coffin.

Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
Grid FN20id


AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip


On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:

> My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All
> digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more  is
> moving to streaming.
>
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
>
> > From: wb6...@gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> Results
> >
> >
> http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709
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Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Patrick Martin]

My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All digital. Few 
HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more  is moving to 
streaming.

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: wb6...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
> 
> http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709
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