[IRCA] TP 17 Jul Victoria version.

[Nick Hall-Patch]

a bit of Asian audio, otherwise, the summer doldrums continue



pretty darn good audio (all of it understandable by a native speaker, at least 
briefly):

nope 




Reasonable audio  at  times during the period (much of it understandable by a 
native speaker, though often battling w/splash or noise):

nope...



not so reasonable audio, occasional words or phrases in splash or noise could 
be understood by a native speaker: 


and nope






Burbles in the splatter and noise (if lucky, language might be guessed at by 
cadence of talk, or parallel established by changes in talk or music)  

972 man talking, possibly Korean 1133UT

1287  two men talking, Japanese intonation 1146UT

1566 woman talking, Chinese intonation UT





Strongish het, no or "near imaginary" audio (either undermodulated or ravaged 
by splatter)

747 774 828 1422 seemed to be Asian; 
 756 882 909 1017 1503 seemed to be DU 



best wishes,

Nick








Nick Hall-Patch
Victoria, BC
Canada  

___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

But come on, It's HD... hiss hiss.. dx'ers hate it and if it's all digital
and doesnt go far past the carrier frequency, DX'ers cant complain about it
over and over :)

Paul



On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> No, its very different because there's no need to avoid bothering the
> analog part.
>
> Currently the hybrid system  puts a lot of IBOC energy far from the analog
> carrier where it bothers adjacent analog carriers.
>
> The all digital system can put more energy around the carrier frequency as
> it won't bother itself. It will bother far away stations.
>
>
> This is why I am saying to people that they can not use their prior IBOC
> experiences to imagine what will happen with all digital IBOC.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Neil Kazaross <
> neilka...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 5:04 PM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station
>
> Is this full IBOC still going to be the off channel crap we've suffered
> with for many years or will it be on channel?  73 KAZ
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Chuck Hutton  wrote:
>
> > Ill suggest a more mundane reason.
> >
> > Ibiquity is headquartered in Germantown MD and just like they did their
> > experimental tests for hybrid mode  not too far away, they are now  doing
> > their full IBOC tests nearby.
> >
> >
> >  Chuck
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: IRCA  on behalf of Les Rayburn <
> > l...@highnoonfilm.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 3:21 PM
> > To: IRCA Radio List - irca@hard-core-dx_com
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station
> >
> > Ah, I understand now.
> >
> > I suppose it makes sense as a technical test. Washington, DC is “worst
> > case” scenario in terms of multi path, signal obstructions, etc. If it
> > performs well there, it should do even better in most locations.
> >
> > We have a client in DC and get there often. I’m supposed to be there for
> > two weeks in August. I’ll be “driving the signal” myself.
> >
> >
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > 121 Mayfair Park
> > Maylene, AL 35114
> > EM63nf
> >
> > Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> >
> > Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> > Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> Korner
> > 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> > Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
> >
> > “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 17, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Scott Fybush  wrote:
> > >
> > > Some of this I can answer even before interviewing Dave - the format is
> > called "The Gamut," which is a true "we play everything" variety mix that
> > goes back as far as the 1940s. It's been running on WWFD for the last few
> > years, as well as on HD2 subs of co-owned WTOP in Washington and its FM
> > relay out in Virginia.
> > >
> > > It's important to note here that the format isn't especially important
> > to what's essentially a technical test. The whole reason they're using
> the
> > WWFD AM signal for this is because it's not doing anything,
> business-wise,
> > for them. Most Gamut listeners are tuned into the HD2s or the analog FM
> > translators that relay them, or are on the stream.
> > >
> > > The idea here is to get a real-world sense of how the AM all-digital
> > mode works, and I expect a lot of engineers will be out this summer
> driving
> > the signal, taking measurements and learning how well their theoretical
> > predictions match reality. (I hope to join them at some point!) I doubt
> > there will be much promotion to general audiences, though I'm sure
> they'll
> > welcome any feedback they get.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/17/2018 3:12 PM, Les Rayburn wrote:
> > >> Scott,
> > >> Thank you for this opportunity. I’m interested in knowing what format
> > WWFD currently runs, and if they plan to change or modify the format to
> fit
> > the “All Digital” operation.
> > >> Also, do they plan to promote the “All Digital” format within the
> > market? How are they going to promote it?
> > >> Any chance we’ll see the “All Digital” experiment expanded to FM
> within
> > the DC market?
> > >> 73,
> > >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > >> 121 Mayfair Park
> > >> Maylene, AL 35114
> > >> EM63nf
> > >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> > >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR
> Guy
> > Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> Korner
> > 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> > Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
> > >> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
> > >>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Scott Fybush  

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Chuck Hutton]

No, its very different because there's no need to avoid bothering the analog 
part.

Currently the hybrid system  puts a lot of IBOC energy far from the analog 
carrier where it bothers adjacent analog carriers.

The all digital system can put more energy around the carrier frequency as it 
won't bother itself. It will bother far away stations.


This is why I am saying to people that they can not use their prior IBOC 
experiences to imagine what will happen with all digital IBOC.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Neil Kazaross 

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 5:04 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

Is this full IBOC still going to be the off channel crap we've suffered
with for many years or will it be on channel?  73 KAZ

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> Ill suggest a more mundane reason.
>
> Ibiquity is headquartered in Germantown MD and just like they did their
> experimental tests for hybrid mode  not too far away, they are now  doing
> their full IBOC tests nearby.
>
>
>  Chuck
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Les Rayburn <
> l...@highnoonfilm.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 3:21 PM
> To: IRCA Radio List - irca@hard-core-dx_com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station
>
> Ah, I understand now.
>
> I suppose it makes sense as a technical test. Washington, DC is “worst
> case” scenario in terms of multi path, signal obstructions, etc. If it
> performs well there, it should do even better in most locations.
>
> We have a client in DC and get there often. I’m supposed to be there for
> two weeks in August. I’ll be “driving the signal” myself.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> 121 Mayfair Park
> Maylene, AL 35114
> EM63nf
>
> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>
> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner
> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>
> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Scott Fybush  wrote:
> >
> > Some of this I can answer even before interviewing Dave - the format is
> called "The Gamut," which is a true "we play everything" variety mix that
> goes back as far as the 1940s. It's been running on WWFD for the last few
> years, as well as on HD2 subs of co-owned WTOP in Washington and its FM
> relay out in Virginia.
> >
> > It's important to note here that the format isn't especially important
> to what's essentially a technical test. The whole reason they're using the
> WWFD AM signal for this is because it's not doing anything, business-wise,
> for them. Most Gamut listeners are tuned into the HD2s or the analog FM
> translators that relay them, or are on the stream.
> >
> > The idea here is to get a real-world sense of how the AM all-digital
> mode works, and I expect a lot of engineers will be out this summer driving
> the signal, taking measurements and learning how well their theoretical
> predictions match reality. (I hope to join them at some point!) I doubt
> there will be much promotion to general audiences, though I'm sure they'll
> welcome any feedback they get.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/17/2018 3:12 PM, Les Rayburn wrote:
> >> Scott,
> >> Thank you for this opportunity. I’m interested in knowing what format
> WWFD currently runs, and if they plan to change or modify the format to fit
> the “All Digital” operation.
> >> Also, do they plan to promote the “All Digital” format within the
> market? How are they going to promote it?
> >> Any chance we’ll see the “All Digital” experiment expanded to FM within
> the DC market?
> >> 73,
> >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> >> 121 Mayfair Park
> >> Maylene, AL 35114
> >> EM63nf
> >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner
> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
> >> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
> >>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Scott Fybush  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 7/17/2018 2:03 PM, Chuck Hutton wrote:
> >>>
>  But I'm unaware as to whether all digital IBOC has FCC approval.
> >>>
> >>> As a regular licensed mode of operation, no...which is exactly why
> Hubbard and the HD Radio folks are conducting this test under experimental
> authority.
> >>>
> >>> I'm going to be interviewing WWFD's Dave Kolesar this evening for a
> new episode of my "Top of the Tower" podcast, to be released tomorrow. If
> anyone on the list has 

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Neil Kazaross]

Is this full IBOC still going to be the off channel crap we've suffered
with for many years or will it be on channel?  73 KAZ

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> Ill suggest a more mundane reason.
>
> Ibiquity is headquartered in Germantown MD and just like they did their
> experimental tests for hybrid mode  not too far away, they are now  doing
> their full IBOC tests nearby.
>
>
>  Chuck
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Les Rayburn <
> l...@highnoonfilm.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 3:21 PM
> To: IRCA Radio List - irca@hard-core-dx_com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station
>
> Ah, I understand now.
>
> I suppose it makes sense as a technical test. Washington, DC is “worst
> case” scenario in terms of multi path, signal obstructions, etc. If it
> performs well there, it should do even better in most locations.
>
> We have a client in DC and get there often. I’m supposed to be there for
> two weeks in August. I’ll be “driving the signal” myself.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> 121 Mayfair Park
> Maylene, AL 35114
> EM63nf
>
> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>
> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner
> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>
> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Scott Fybush  wrote:
> >
> > Some of this I can answer even before interviewing Dave - the format is
> called "The Gamut," which is a true "we play everything" variety mix that
> goes back as far as the 1940s. It's been running on WWFD for the last few
> years, as well as on HD2 subs of co-owned WTOP in Washington and its FM
> relay out in Virginia.
> >
> > It's important to note here that the format isn't especially important
> to what's essentially a technical test. The whole reason they're using the
> WWFD AM signal for this is because it's not doing anything, business-wise,
> for them. Most Gamut listeners are tuned into the HD2s or the analog FM
> translators that relay them, or are on the stream.
> >
> > The idea here is to get a real-world sense of how the AM all-digital
> mode works, and I expect a lot of engineers will be out this summer driving
> the signal, taking measurements and learning how well their theoretical
> predictions match reality. (I hope to join them at some point!) I doubt
> there will be much promotion to general audiences, though I'm sure they'll
> welcome any feedback they get.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/17/2018 3:12 PM, Les Rayburn wrote:
> >> Scott,
> >> Thank you for this opportunity. I’m interested in knowing what format
> WWFD currently runs, and if they plan to change or modify the format to fit
> the “All Digital” operation.
> >> Also, do they plan to promote the “All Digital” format within the
> market? How are they going to promote it?
> >> Any chance we’ll see the “All Digital” experiment expanded to FM within
> the DC market?
> >> 73,
> >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> >> 121 Mayfair Park
> >> Maylene, AL 35114
> >> EM63nf
> >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner
> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
> >> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
> >>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Scott Fybush  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 7/17/2018 2:03 PM, Chuck Hutton wrote:
> >>>
>  But I'm unaware as to whether all digital IBOC has FCC approval.
> >>>
> >>> As a regular licensed mode of operation, no...which is exactly why
> Hubbard and the HD Radio folks are conducting this test under experimental
> authority.
> >>>
> >>> I'm going to be interviewing WWFD's Dave Kolesar this evening for a
> new episode of my "Top of the Tower" podcast, to be released tomorrow. If
> anyone on the list has questions about the purpose of the test or the
> technology behind it, hit me up and I'll ask him!
> >>>
> >>> s
> >>> ___
> >>> IRCA mailing list
> >>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> >>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> IRCA Info Page - Kotalampi listinfo/irca>
> montreal.kotalampi.com
> Your email address: Your name (optional): You may enter a privacy password
> below. This provides only mild security, but should prevent others from
> messing with your subscription.
>
>
>
> >>>
> >>> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> 

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Chuck Hutton]

Ill suggest a more mundane reason.

Ibiquity is headquartered in Germantown MD and just like they did their 
experimental tests for hybrid mode  not too far away, they are now  doing their 
full IBOC tests nearby.


 Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Les Rayburn 

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 3:21 PM
To: IRCA Radio List - irca@hard-core-dx_com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

Ah, I understand now.

I suppose it makes sense as a technical test. Washington, DC is “worst case” 
scenario in terms of multi path, signal obstructions, etc. If it performs well 
there, it should do even better in most locations.

We have a client in DC and get there often. I’m supposed to be there for two 
weeks in August. I’ll be “driving the signal” myself.



73,

Les Rayburn, N1LF
121 Mayfair Park
Maylene, AL 35114
EM63nf

Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.

Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy 
Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner 9.2 
Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum Phaser, 
Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.

“Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”


> On Jul 17, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Scott Fybush  wrote:
>
> Some of this I can answer even before interviewing Dave - the format is 
> called "The Gamut," which is a true "we play everything" variety mix that 
> goes back as far as the 1940s. It's been running on WWFD for the last few 
> years, as well as on HD2 subs of co-owned WTOP in Washington and its FM relay 
> out in Virginia.
>
> It's important to note here that the format isn't especially important to 
> what's essentially a technical test. The whole reason they're using the WWFD 
> AM signal for this is because it's not doing anything, business-wise, for 
> them. Most Gamut listeners are tuned into the HD2s or the analog FM 
> translators that relay them, or are on the stream.
>
> The idea here is to get a real-world sense of how the AM all-digital mode 
> works, and I expect a lot of engineers will be out this summer driving the 
> signal, taking measurements and learning how well their theoretical 
> predictions match reality. (I hope to join them at some point!) I doubt there 
> will be much promotion to general audiences, though I'm sure they'll welcome 
> any feedback they get.
>
>
>
> On 7/17/2018 3:12 PM, Les Rayburn wrote:
>> Scott,
>> Thank you for this opportunity. I’m interested in knowing what format WWFD 
>> currently runs, and if they plan to change or modify the format to fit the 
>> “All Digital” operation.
>> Also, do they plan to promote the “All Digital” format within the market? 
>> How are they going to promote it?
>> Any chance we’ll see the “All Digital” experiment expanded to FM within the 
>> DC market?
>> 73,
>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> 121 Mayfair Park
>> Maylene, AL 35114
>> EM63nf
>> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy 
>> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner 
>> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum 
>> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Scott Fybush  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/17/2018 2:03 PM, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>>>
 But I'm unaware as to whether all digital IBOC has FCC approval.
>>>
>>> As a regular licensed mode of operation, no...which is exactly why Hubbard 
>>> and the HD Radio folks are conducting this test under experimental 
>>> authority.
>>>
>>> I'm going to be interviewing WWFD's Dave Kolesar this evening for a new 
>>> episode of my "Top of the Tower" podcast, to be released tomorrow. If 
>>> anyone on the list has questions about the purpose of the test or the 
>>> technology behind it, hit me up and I'll ask him!
>>>
>>> s
>>> ___
>>> IRCA mailing list
>>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
>>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
IRCA Info Page - Kotalampi
montreal.kotalampi.com
Your email address: Your name (optional): You may enter a privacy password 
below. This provides only mild security, but should prevent others from messing 
with your subscription.



>>>
>>> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the 
>>> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the 
>>> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>>>
>>> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>>>
>>> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>>>
>> ___
>> IRCA mailing list
>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>> 

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Les Rayburn]

Ah, I understand now. 

I suppose it makes sense as a technical test. Washington, DC is “worst case” 
scenario in terms of multi path, signal obstructions, etc. If it performs well 
there, it should do even better in most locations. 

We have a client in DC and get there often. I’m supposed to be there for two 
weeks in August. I’ll be “driving the signal” myself. 



73,

Les Rayburn, N1LF
121 Mayfair Park
Maylene, AL 35114
EM63nf

Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. 

Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy 
Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner 9.2 
Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum Phaser, 
Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. 

“Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…” 


> On Jul 17, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Scott Fybush  wrote:
> 
> Some of this I can answer even before interviewing Dave - the format is 
> called "The Gamut," which is a true "we play everything" variety mix that 
> goes back as far as the 1940s. It's been running on WWFD for the last few 
> years, as well as on HD2 subs of co-owned WTOP in Washington and its FM relay 
> out in Virginia.
> 
> It's important to note here that the format isn't especially important to 
> what's essentially a technical test. The whole reason they're using the WWFD 
> AM signal for this is because it's not doing anything, business-wise, for 
> them. Most Gamut listeners are tuned into the HD2s or the analog FM 
> translators that relay them, or are on the stream.
> 
> The idea here is to get a real-world sense of how the AM all-digital mode 
> works, and I expect a lot of engineers will be out this summer driving the 
> signal, taking measurements and learning how well their theoretical 
> predictions match reality. (I hope to join them at some point!) I doubt there 
> will be much promotion to general audiences, though I'm sure they'll welcome 
> any feedback they get.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/17/2018 3:12 PM, Les Rayburn wrote:
>> Scott,
>> Thank you for this opportunity. I’m interested in knowing what format WWFD 
>> currently runs, and if they plan to change or modify the format to fit the 
>> “All Digital” operation.
>> Also, do they plan to promote the “All Digital” format within the market? 
>> How are they going to promote it?
>> Any chance we’ll see the “All Digital” experiment expanded to FM within the 
>> DC market?
>> 73,
>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> 121 Mayfair Park
>> Maylene, AL 35114
>> EM63nf
>> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy 
>> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner 
>> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum 
>> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Scott Fybush  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 7/17/2018 2:03 PM, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>>> 
 But I'm unaware as to whether all digital IBOC has FCC approval.
>>> 
>>> As a regular licensed mode of operation, no...which is exactly why Hubbard 
>>> and the HD Radio folks are conducting this test under experimental 
>>> authority.
>>> 
>>> I'm going to be interviewing WWFD's Dave Kolesar this evening for a new 
>>> episode of my "Top of the Tower" podcast, to be released tomorrow. If 
>>> anyone on the list has questions about the purpose of the test or the 
>>> technology behind it, hit me up and I'll ask him!
>>> 
>>> s
>>> ___
>>> IRCA mailing list
>>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
>>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>>> 
>>> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the 
>>> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the 
>>> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>>> 
>>> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>>> 
>>> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>>> 
>> ___
>> IRCA mailing list
>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the 
>> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the 
>> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> 
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
> contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
> editors, publishing staff, or officers
> 
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> 
> To Post a 

Re: [IRCA] Summer DXing (was: [CapeDX] When it Rains it pours)

[Gary DeBock]

<<<   Basically, as some of us know, if you can avoid static-crash nights, 
there is still a lot of DX to be heard in the heart of summer.  This is 
especially true when talking about southerly targets enjoying greater length of 
darkness.
Not sure how the whole "DX season" thing got started.  I suppose some parts of 
the country such as the Deep South and parts of the Midwest have nearly 
continuous thunderstorm activity.  In the northeast and the northwest you can 
sometimes pick your spots for relatively noise free success.


Gary DeBock running Down Unders from OR and WA would be the West Coast version 
of your Cape Cod summer DX, Roy.

783 hasn't shown much here either lately.  What is there is probably Spain / 
Syria instead of the usual Mauritania flamethrower.


Mark Connelly, WA1ION
South Yarmouth, MA >>>



Thanks Mark,


Your descriptions of summer trans-equatorial propagation on the Cape are always 
very interesting


Summer ocean coast DXing does seem to be increasingly popular here in the 
Northwest, where we plan to have 5 DXers for our  annual Rockwork 4 ocean cliff 
extravaganza next month.

Although the distinctive site has a reputation for being a New Zealand-favoring 
venue, Tom and I both came away with a couple of western Australians (531 and 
558) last year, plus, some low-powered Oz stations. Fiji, Tonga and Kiribati 
are also regulars. Early August seems to be prime time for the 9,000+ mile 
Western Australia path around sunrise.


Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA)


> On July 17, 2018 at 8:57 AM Mark Connelly via IRCA wrote:
> 
> 
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com mailto:IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> 
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the 
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, 
> its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> 
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> 
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com mailto:irca@hard-core-dx.com
> 



> On July 17, 2018 at 8:57 AM Mark Connelly wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Basically, as some of us know, if you can avoid static-crash nights, 
> there is still a lot of DX to be heard in the heart of summer. This is 
> especially true when talking about southerly targets enjoying greater length 
> of darkness.
> 
> 
> Not sure how the whole "DX season" thing got started. I suppose some 
> parts of the country such as the Deep South and parts of the Midwest have 
> nearly continuous thunderstorm activity. In the northeast and the northwest 
> you can sometimes pick your spots for relatively noise free success.
> 
> 
> 
> Gary DeBock running Down Unders from OR and WA would be the West Coast 
> version of your Cape Cod summer DX, Roy.
> 
> 
> 783 hasn't shown much here either lately. What is there is probably Spain 
> / Syria instead of the usual Mauritania flamethrower.
> 
> 
> Mark Connelly, WA1ION
> South Yarmouth, MA
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: roybars...@hotmail.com mailto:roybars...@hotmail.com [CapeDX]
> To: CapeDX
> Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 11:44 am
> Subject: [CapeDX] When it Rains it pours
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Pulled into the parking lot of the local beach (Menauhant) on 7/14/18 and 
> set up the mini-loop and other gear.
> Checked the compass heading and that was at 120 Degrees and happened to 
> be the sweet spot for the night.
> 
> 
> Not much for Argies this session but Africa was producing.
> 
> 
>  UTC Ant. 120
> 
> 
> 680 Brazil - Sao Luis - Woman in Portuguese then some ascending tones and 
> ID. and back into talk. Good and all alone under Boston.
> 
> 
> 860 Brazil - CBN, Rio - A little music to ID. w/ man and woman 
> alternating talk. USB
> 
> 
> 940 Brazil - Rio - Good on top.
> 
> 1150 Brazil - Sao Paulo - This is super radio - On top at the time then 
> into news.
> 
> 
> 1179 Mozambique - EP da Zambezia - Quelimane - Group singing. Weak to 
> fair. S 3-4 // 1206
> 
> 
> 1206 Mozambique - EP de Inhambane - Fair at S 3-5 - Man in Portuguese 
> then singing as above, w/ long song. S-6 end of file - // 1179
> 
> 
> 1220 Brazil - Global - last part of file at S-8.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 0005 120 D.
> 
> 
> 720 Unknown - At 0006:04 rooster crow and ID. - Sounded like he said, in 
> Paraguay and believe heard 2 pips then mu sic for 1/2 minute and the man 
> talking again. On top but along w/ noise.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 0018 120
> 
> 
> 610 Brazil - Talk, game.
> 
> 
> 650 Brazil - R. itatiaia- Timoteo - With game // 610 which was under WSRO.
> 
> 
> 700 Brazil - All talk - Presume - Nossa.
> 
> 
> 720 Unknown - May be the same station as previous file and playing 
> Mariachi type music. Spanish - USB
> 
> 
> 945 Unknown - Weak w/talk or music. Also on other files. To weak to know 
> language.

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Scott Fybush]

Some of this I can answer even before interviewing Dave - the format is 
called "The Gamut," which is a true "we play everything" variety mix 
that goes back as far as the 1940s. It's been running on WWFD for the 
last few years, as well as on HD2 subs of co-owned WTOP in Washington 
and its FM relay out in Virginia.


It's important to note here that the format isn't especially important 
to what's essentially a technical test. The whole reason they're using 
the WWFD AM signal for this is because it's not doing anything, 
business-wise, for them. Most Gamut listeners are tuned into the HD2s or 
the analog FM translators that relay them, or are on the stream.


The idea here is to get a real-world sense of how the AM all-digital 
mode works, and I expect a lot of engineers will be out this summer 
driving the signal, taking measurements and learning how well their 
theoretical predictions match reality. (I hope to join them at some 
point!) I doubt there will be much promotion to general audiences, 
though I'm sure they'll welcome any feedback they get.




On 7/17/2018 3:12 PM, Les Rayburn wrote:

Scott,

Thank you for this opportunity. I’m interested in knowing what format WWFD 
currently runs, and if they plan to change or modify the format to fit the “All 
Digital” operation.

Also, do they plan to promote the “All Digital” format within the market? How 
are they going to promote it?

Any chance we’ll see the “All Digital” experiment expanded to FM within the DC 
market?


73,

Les Rayburn, N1LF
121 Mayfair Park
Maylene, AL 35114
EM63nf

Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.

Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy 
Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner 9.2 
Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum Phaser, 
Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.

“Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”



On Jul 17, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Scott Fybush  wrote:

On 7/17/2018 2:03 PM, Chuck Hutton wrote:


But I'm unaware as to whether all digital IBOC has FCC approval.


As a regular licensed mode of operation, no...which is exactly why Hubbard and 
the HD Radio folks are conducting this test under experimental authority.

I'm going to be interviewing WWFD's Dave Kolesar this evening for a new episode of my 
"Top of the Tower" podcast, to be released tomorrow. If anyone on the list has 
questions about the purpose of the test or the technology behind it, hit me up and I'll 
ask him!

s
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com



___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com


___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Les Rayburn]

Scott,

Thank you for this opportunity. I’m interested in knowing what format WWFD 
currently runs, and if they plan to change or modify the format to fit the “All 
Digital” operation. 

Also, do they plan to promote the “All Digital” format within the market? How 
are they going to promote it? 

Any chance we’ll see the “All Digital” experiment expanded to FM within the DC 
market? 


73,

Les Rayburn, N1LF
121 Mayfair Park
Maylene, AL 35114
EM63nf

Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. 

Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy 
Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner 9.2 
Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum Phaser, 
Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. 

“Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…” 


> On Jul 17, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Scott Fybush  wrote:
> 
> On 7/17/2018 2:03 PM, Chuck Hutton wrote:
> 
>> But I'm unaware as to whether all digital IBOC has FCC approval.
> 
> As a regular licensed mode of operation, no...which is exactly why Hubbard 
> and the HD Radio folks are conducting this test under experimental authority.
> 
> I'm going to be interviewing WWFD's Dave Kolesar this evening for a new 
> episode of my "Top of the Tower" podcast, to be released tomorrow. If anyone 
> on the list has questions about the purpose of the test or the technology 
> behind it, hit me up and I'll ask him!
> 
> s
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> 
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
> contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
> editors, publishing staff, or officers
> 
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> 
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> 

___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Powell E. Way III via IRCA]

--- Begin Message ---


 

On Tuesday, July 17, 2018, 9:02:25 AM EDT, Russ Johnson 
 wrote:  
 
 Let’s hope so. 

I was unimpressed even with HD FM coverage. Too many drop outs. 
Power is 10% of analog at best.  


Is 1500 in DC still iboc?

NO, not at night anyway


Powell


  --- End Message ---
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Scott Fybush]

On 7/17/2018 2:03 PM, Chuck Hutton wrote:


But I'm unaware as to whether all digital IBOC has FCC approval.


As a regular licensed mode of operation, no...which is exactly why 
Hubbard and the HD Radio folks are conducting this test under 
experimental authority.


I'm going to be interviewing WWFD's Dave Kolesar this evening for a new 
episode of my "Top of the Tower" podcast, to be released tomorrow. If 
anyone on the list has questions about the purpose of the test or the 
technology behind it, hit me up and I'll ask him!


s
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Russ Edmunds]

AFAIK it doesn't. And it may not be installed anyway. I think this is a
gimmick to see what happens. But with listeners realizing they can go to
94.3 ( and get better coverage anyway ).


Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
Grid FN20id


AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip


On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> Is it?
>
>
> Since they have no analog, there's no reason for them to use the hybrid
> mode of IBOC which has both analog and digital.  That is what causes the
> interference to adjacent chanbnels and limits the IBOC coverage a bit.
>
>
> If they use the all digital mode, there are  different expectations for
> interference and coverage amd we'll have to re-analyze things.
>
>
> But I'm unaware as to whether all digital IBOC has FCC approval.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Mark Mobile <
> ma...@durenberger.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:27 AM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station
>
> It's not WWFD 820; it's "WWFD 800--810--820--830--840"
>
> :-))
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mark Durenberger, mobile
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Russ Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 8:46 AM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station
>
> Thanks for the update Brett
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM Brett Saylor  wrote:
>
> > 1500 WFED isn't on IBOC right now, and I don't recall it being on any
> time
> > recently. According to Barry's site it's been off since 2007.
> >
> > I just checked my overnight recordings and 820 is solid IBOC hash from
> 815
> > to 825 kHz, from sunset to sunrise. I can get around most IBOC noise by
> > tuning the opposite LSB or USB but this covers the entire frequency. 820
> > is
> > now pretty useless as a nighttime frequency. Frederick is 100 miles from
> > here.
> >
> >
> > Brett Saylor
> > State College, PA
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Russ Johnson 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Let’s hope so.
> > >
> > > I was unimpressed even with HD FM coverage. Too many drop outs.
> > >
> > > Is 1500 in DC still iboc?
> > >
> > > Russ Johnson
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Jul 17, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have
> > been..
> > > > But the rush into this ignores some important points -
> > > >
> > > > 1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ?
> > My
> > > > understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
> > > > capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
> > > > 2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal -
> > > > which
> > > > will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
> > > > 3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change
> > > them ?
> > > >
> > > > I predict this adventure will fail.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Russ Edmunds
> > > > 15 mi NW Phila
> > > > Grid FN20id
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
> > > > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> > > > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
> > > > modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
> > > > modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Les Rayburn 
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Here’s some news that I’m not sure how to feel about:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675
> [https://images.radio-online.com/images/graphics/radionewswire.gif]<
> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675>
>
> WWFD 820 AM Becomes First All-Digital AM Station online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675>
> news.radio-online.com
> In Washington DC, WWFD 820 AM The Gamut will be the first full time,
> all-digital AM radio station in the U.S. In an effort to keep up with the
> ever-evolving demand for digital, The Gamut will be turning off its analog
> signal and will no longer be accessible through regular AM radio beginning
> today, Monday, July 16 at
>
>
>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 73,
> > > >>
> > > >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > > >> 121 Mayfair Park
> > > >> Maylene, AL 35114
> > > >> EM63nf
> > > >>
> > > >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> > > >>
> > > >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR
> > Guy
> > > >> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> > > Korner
> > > >> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps,
> Quantum
> > > >> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, 

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Chuck Hutton]

Is it?


Since they have no analog, there's no reason for them to use the hybrid mode of 
IBOC which has both analog and digital.  That is what causes the interference 
to adjacent chanbnels and limits the IBOC coverage a bit.


If they use the all digital mode, there are  different expectations for 
interference and coverage amd we'll have to re-analyze things.


But I'm unaware as to whether all digital IBOC has FCC approval.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Mark Mobile 

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:27 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

It's not WWFD 820; it's "WWFD 800--810--820--830--840"

:-))


Cheers!

Mark Durenberger, mobile


-Original Message-
From: Russ Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 8:46 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

Thanks for the update Brett

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM Brett Saylor  wrote:

> 1500 WFED isn't on IBOC right now, and I don't recall it being on any time
> recently. According to Barry's site it's been off since 2007.
>
> I just checked my overnight recordings and 820 is solid IBOC hash from 815
> to 825 kHz, from sunset to sunrise. I can get around most IBOC noise by
> tuning the opposite LSB or USB but this covers the entire frequency. 820
> is
> now pretty useless as a nighttime frequency. Frederick is 100 miles from
> here.
>
>
> Brett Saylor
> State College, PA
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Russ Johnson  wrote:
>
> > Let’s hope so.
> >
> > I was unimpressed even with HD FM coverage. Too many drop outs.
> >
> > Is 1500 in DC still iboc?
> >
> > Russ Johnson
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 17, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> > >
> > > There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have
> been..
> > > But the rush into this ignores some important points -
> > >
> > > 1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ?
> My
> > > understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
> > > capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
> > > 2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal -
> > > which
> > > will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
> > > 3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change
> > them ?
> > >
> > > I predict this adventure will fail.
> > >
> > >
> > > Russ Edmunds
> > > 15 mi NW Phila
> > > Grid FN20id
> > > 
> > >
> > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
> > > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> > > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
> > > modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
> > > modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Les Rayburn 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Here’s some news that I’m not sure how to feel about:
> > >>
> > >> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675
[https://images.radio-online.com/images/graphics/radionewswire.gif]

WWFD 820 AM Becomes First All-Digital AM 
Station
news.radio-online.com
In Washington DC, WWFD 820 AM The Gamut will be the first full time, 
all-digital AM radio station in the U.S. In an effort to keep up with the 
ever-evolving demand for digital, The Gamut will be turning off its analog 
signal and will no longer be accessible through regular AM radio beginning 
today, Monday, July 16 at



> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >>
> > >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > >> 121 Mayfair Park
> > >> Maylene, AL 35114
> > >> EM63nf
> > >>
> > >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> > >>
> > >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR
> Guy
> > >> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> > Korner
> > >> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> > >> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active
> > Whip.
> > >>
> > >> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ___
> > >> IRCA mailing list
> > >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> > >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> > >>
> > >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> > >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of
> the
> > >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> > >>
> > >> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> > >>
> > >> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > > ___
> > > IRCA mailing list
> > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> > > 

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Brett Saylor]

Looking at their pattern WWFD's "local" coverage spans the I-270 corridor
from Frederick to Germantown; inside the beltway would be "distant." I
presume the digital signal will only be effective on that ~20 mile stretch
of interstate and that they are targeting the morning and evening drive
commuters as opposed to the city itself. Having made that drive many times,
one can spend a lot of time in the car on that stretch (esp in the
evening). Now that I'm retired I avoid that route like the plague.

Brett

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Les Rayburn  wrote:

> Russ,
>
> Not at all. I get all that.
>
> My point is that if an all HD format on AM is viable economically anywhere
> in the US, then Washington, DC is that market.
>
> It’s highly affluent, highly mobile, and populated by an older than
> average, more educated than average audience. News format stations in the
> District still do very well.
>
> Unfortunately for Ibuitity, “physics don’t give a damn” and the laws won’t
> change to fit their business model. IBOC HD doesn’t work technically. And
> the strong arm lobbying of the FCC to change the rules to fit it have only
> hastened the move to streaming audio services by millennials.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> 121 Mayfair Park
> Maylene, AL 35114
> EM63nf
>
> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>
> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner
> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>
> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> >
> > Les, I think the point you miss here is that this station was a rimshot
> as an analog for the DC market and the HD signal won't hold in DC anyway
> >
> >
> >
> > Russ Edmunds
> >
> > WB2BJH
> >
> > Blue Bell, PA
> >
> > Grid FN20id
> >
> > 
> > From: IRCA  on behalf of Paul B. Walker,
> Jr. 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 12:34:35 PM
> > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station
> >
> > I think, as a DX'er and broadcaster.. HD would've been a bit more viable
> if
> > you could've gotten HD locking without needing such robust signals and
> find
> > a way to have it not interfere with other stations.  I've heard HD on AM,
> > I've heard DRM on Shortwave I used to listen to Radio Kuwait 15540kzh
> > english DRM.. and the thing needed a paint peeling banging barrel of
> brick
> > signal to lock and stay locked. It sounds great though.
> >
> > I don't particularly find any use for it on AM, except the sound quality.
> > Where HD has... i dont wanna use the word flourished.. but done better is
> > on FM, and even moreso tv.. where you can offer sub/side channels. Many
> > broadcasters, with pretty decent financial success have put translators
> on
> > their HD channels (look at Saga communications) and offered formats that
> > may not make financial sense on full powered signals.
> >
> > Where HD i think really works, is TV.. with the multiple specialist
> > channels.
> >
> > Anyways, I digress. I don't dislike HD as much as some here do, but I'm
> > huge a fan of it in general.. it has proved interesting while FM DXing
> > though
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Les Rayburn 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Russ,
> >>
> >> I agree with your prediction, but do want to play Devil’s Advocate. (Why
> >> the devil needs an advocate since his fan base is huge is beyond me,
> but I
> >> digress.)
> >>
> >> AM listenership within the DC market is high compared to most others.
> >> Traffic, news, and specialized political news formats dominate the
> market
> >> on both AM/FM.
> >>
> >> The metro area is very small geographically, and even with the reduced
> >> range, WWFD probably remains viable.
> >>
> >> HD radio remains in the majority of new cars (my wife’s 2018 Ford F-150
> >> came with one as standard equipment) and DC is one of the most mobile
> >> markets in the country. Most people are listening in their cars. And
> most
> >> people in DC are driving newer cars, and making the payments.
> >>
> >> If it will work anywhere, it will work in DC.
> >>
> >> All that being said, it’s doomed.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> >> 121 Mayfair Park
> >> Maylene, AL 35114
> >> EM63nf
> >>
> >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> >>
> >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> >> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> Korner
> >> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> >> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active
> Whip.
> >>
> >> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and 

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Les Rayburn]

Russ,

Not at all. I get all that. 

My point is that if an all HD format on AM is viable economically anywhere in 
the US, then Washington, DC is that market. 

It’s highly affluent, highly mobile, and populated by an older than average, 
more educated than average audience. News format stations in the District still 
do very well. 

Unfortunately for Ibuitity, “physics don’t give a damn” and the laws won’t 
change to fit their business model. IBOC HD doesn’t work technically. And the 
strong arm lobbying of the FCC to change the rules to fit it have only hastened 
the move to streaming audio services by millennials. 


73,

Les Rayburn, N1LF
121 Mayfair Park
Maylene, AL 35114
EM63nf

Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. 

Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy 
Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner 9.2 
Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum Phaser, 
Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. 

“Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…” 


> On Jul 17, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> 
> Les, I think the point you miss here is that this station was a rimshot as an 
> analog for the DC market and the HD signal won't hold in DC anyway
> 
> 
> 
> Russ Edmunds
> 
> WB2BJH
> 
> Blue Bell, PA
> 
> Grid FN20id
> 
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Paul B. Walker, Jr. 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 12:34:35 PM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station
> 
> I think, as a DX'er and broadcaster.. HD would've been a bit more viable if
> you could've gotten HD locking without needing such robust signals and find
> a way to have it not interfere with other stations.  I've heard HD on AM,
> I've heard DRM on Shortwave I used to listen to Radio Kuwait 15540kzh
> english DRM.. and the thing needed a paint peeling banging barrel of brick
> signal to lock and stay locked. It sounds great though.
> 
> I don't particularly find any use for it on AM, except the sound quality.
> Where HD has... i dont wanna use the word flourished.. but done better is
> on FM, and even moreso tv.. where you can offer sub/side channels. Many
> broadcasters, with pretty decent financial success have put translators on
> their HD channels (look at Saga communications) and offered formats that
> may not make financial sense on full powered signals.
> 
> Where HD i think really works, is TV.. with the multiple specialist
> channels.
> 
> Anyways, I digress. I don't dislike HD as much as some here do, but I'm
> huge a fan of it in general.. it has proved interesting while FM DXing
> though
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Les Rayburn  wrote:
> 
>> Russ,
>> 
>> I agree with your prediction, but do want to play Devil’s Advocate. (Why
>> the devil needs an advocate since his fan base is huge is beyond me, but I
>> digress.)
>> 
>> AM listenership within the DC market is high compared to most others.
>> Traffic, news, and specialized political news formats dominate the market
>> on both AM/FM.
>> 
>> The metro area is very small geographically, and even with the reduced
>> range, WWFD probably remains viable.
>> 
>> HD radio remains in the majority of new cars (my wife’s 2018 Ford F-150
>> came with one as standard equipment) and DC is one of the most mobile
>> markets in the country. Most people are listening in their cars. And most
>> people in DC are driving newer cars, and making the payments.
>> 
>> If it will work anywhere, it will work in DC.
>> 
>> All that being said, it’s doomed.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> 121 Mayfair Park
>> Maylene, AL 35114
>> EM63nf
>> 
>> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>> 
>> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
>> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner
>> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
>> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>> 
>> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 7:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have been..
>>> But the rush into this ignores some important points -
>>> 
>>> 1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ? My
>>> understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
>>> capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
>>> 2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal - which
>>> will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
>>> 3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change
>> them ?
>>> 
>>> I predict this adventure will fail.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Russ Edmunds
>>> 15 mi NW Phila

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Russ Edmunds]

Les, I think the point you miss here is that this station was a rimshot as an 
analog for the DC market and the HD signal won't hold in DC anyway



Russ Edmunds

WB2BJH

Blue Bell, PA

Grid FN20id


From: IRCA  on behalf of Paul B. Walker, Jr. 

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 12:34:35 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

I think, as a DX'er and broadcaster.. HD would've been a bit more viable if
you could've gotten HD locking without needing such robust signals and find
a way to have it not interfere with other stations.  I've heard HD on AM,
I've heard DRM on Shortwave I used to listen to Radio Kuwait 15540kzh
english DRM.. and the thing needed a paint peeling banging barrel of brick
signal to lock and stay locked. It sounds great though.

I don't particularly find any use for it on AM, except the sound quality.
Where HD has... i dont wanna use the word flourished.. but done better is
on FM, and even moreso tv.. where you can offer sub/side channels. Many
broadcasters, with pretty decent financial success have put translators on
their HD channels (look at Saga communications) and offered formats that
may not make financial sense on full powered signals.

Where HD i think really works, is TV.. with the multiple specialist
channels.

Anyways, I digress. I don't dislike HD as much as some here do, but I'm
huge a fan of it in general.. it has proved interesting while FM DXing
though

Paul



On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Les Rayburn  wrote:

> Russ,
>
> I agree with your prediction, but do want to play Devil’s Advocate. (Why
> the devil needs an advocate since his fan base is huge is beyond me, but I
> digress.)
>
> AM listenership within the DC market is high compared to most others.
> Traffic, news, and specialized political news formats dominate the market
> on both AM/FM.
>
> The metro area is very small geographically, and even with the reduced
> range, WWFD probably remains viable.
>
> HD radio remains in the majority of new cars (my wife’s 2018 Ford F-150
> came with one as standard equipment) and DC is one of the most mobile
> markets in the country. Most people are listening in their cars. And most
> people in DC are driving newer cars, and making the payments.
>
> If it will work anywhere, it will work in DC.
>
> All that being said, it’s doomed.
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> 121 Mayfair Park
> Maylene, AL 35114
> EM63nf
>
> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>
> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner
> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>
> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 7:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> >
> > There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have been..
> > But the rush into this ignores some important points -
> >
> > 1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ? My
> > understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
> > capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
> > 2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal - which
> > will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
> > 3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change
> them ?
> >
> > I predict this adventure will fail.
> >
> >
> > Russ Edmunds
> > 15 mi NW Phila
> > Grid FN20id
> > 
> >
> > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
> > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
> > modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
> > modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Les Rayburn 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Here’s some news that I’m not sure how to feel about:
> >>
> >> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> >> 121 Mayfair Park
> >> Maylene, AL 35114
> >> EM63nf
> >>
> >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> >>
> >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> >> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> Korner
> >> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> >> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active
> Whip.
> >>
> >> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
> >>
> >>
> >> ___
> >> IRCA mailing list
> >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> >>
> >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> >> original contributors 

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

I think, as a DX'er and broadcaster.. HD would've been a bit more viable if
you could've gotten HD locking without needing such robust signals and find
a way to have it not interfere with other stations.  I've heard HD on AM,
I've heard DRM on Shortwave I used to listen to Radio Kuwait 15540kzh
english DRM.. and the thing needed a paint peeling banging barrel of brick
signal to lock and stay locked. It sounds great though.

I don't particularly find any use for it on AM, except the sound quality.
Where HD has... i dont wanna use the word flourished.. but done better is
on FM, and even moreso tv.. where you can offer sub/side channels. Many
broadcasters, with pretty decent financial success have put translators on
their HD channels (look at Saga communications) and offered formats that
may not make financial sense on full powered signals.

Where HD i think really works, is TV.. with the multiple specialist
channels.

Anyways, I digress. I don't dislike HD as much as some here do, but I'm
huge a fan of it in general.. it has proved interesting while FM DXing
though

Paul



On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Les Rayburn  wrote:

> Russ,
>
> I agree with your prediction, but do want to play Devil’s Advocate. (Why
> the devil needs an advocate since his fan base is huge is beyond me, but I
> digress.)
>
> AM listenership within the DC market is high compared to most others.
> Traffic, news, and specialized political news formats dominate the market
> on both AM/FM.
>
> The metro area is very small geographically, and even with the reduced
> range, WWFD probably remains viable.
>
> HD radio remains in the majority of new cars (my wife’s 2018 Ford F-150
> came with one as standard equipment) and DC is one of the most mobile
> markets in the country. Most people are listening in their cars. And most
> people in DC are driving newer cars, and making the payments.
>
> If it will work anywhere, it will work in DC.
>
> All that being said, it’s doomed.
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> 121 Mayfair Park
> Maylene, AL 35114
> EM63nf
>
> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>
> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner
> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>
> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 7:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> >
> > There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have been..
> > But the rush into this ignores some important points -
> >
> > 1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ? My
> > understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
> > capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
> > 2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal - which
> > will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
> > 3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change
> them ?
> >
> > I predict this adventure will fail.
> >
> >
> > Russ Edmunds
> > 15 mi NW Phila
> > Grid FN20id
> > 
> >
> > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
> > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
> > modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
> > modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Les Rayburn 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Here’s some news that I’m not sure how to feel about:
> >>
> >> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> >> 121 Mayfair Park
> >> Maylene, AL 35114
> >> EM63nf
> >>
> >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> >>
> >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> >> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> Korner
> >> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> >> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active
> Whip.
> >>
> >> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
> >>
> >>
> >> ___
> >> IRCA mailing list
> >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> >>
> >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> >>
> >> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> >>
> >> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >>
> >>
> > ___
> > IRCA mailing list
> > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> >
> > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those 

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Les Rayburn]

Russ,

I agree with your prediction, but do want to play Devil’s Advocate. (Why the 
devil needs an advocate since his fan base is huge is beyond me, but I 
digress.) 

AM listenership within the DC market is high compared to most others. Traffic, 
news, and specialized political news formats dominate the market on both AM/FM. 

The metro area is very small geographically, and even with the reduced range, 
WWFD probably remains viable. 

HD radio remains in the majority of new cars (my wife’s 2018 Ford F-150 came 
with one as standard equipment) and DC is one of the most mobile markets in the 
country. Most people are listening in their cars. And most people in DC are 
driving newer cars, and making the payments. 

If it will work anywhere, it will work in DC. 

All that being said, it’s doomed. 

73,

Les Rayburn, N1LF
121 Mayfair Park
Maylene, AL 35114
EM63nf

Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. 

Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy 
Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner 9.2 
Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum Phaser, 
Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. 

“Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…” 


> On Jul 17, 2018, at 7:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> 
> There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have been.
> But the rush into this ignores some important points -
> 
> 1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ? My
> understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
> capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
> 2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal - which
> will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
> 3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change them ?
> 
> I predict this adventure will fail.
> 
> 
> Russ Edmunds
> 15 mi NW Phila
> Grid FN20id
> 
> 
> AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
> FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
> modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
> modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Les Rayburn  wrote:
> 
>> Here’s some news that I’m not sure how to feel about:
>> 
>> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> 121 Mayfair Park
>> Maylene, AL 35114
>> EM63nf
>> 
>> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>> 
>> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
>> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner
>> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
>> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>> 
>> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> IRCA mailing list
>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>> 
>> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
>> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
>> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>> 
>> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>> 
>> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>> 
>> 
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> 
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
> contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
> editors, publishing staff, or officers
> 
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> 
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> 

___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] Summer DXing (was: [CapeDX] When it Rains it pours)

[Nick Hall-Patch]

Thanks for passing Roy's loggings on Mark, plus 
his noting that Mauritania may not be on.


I've been doing some summer TA hunting here in 
western Canada, and 783 would seem an obvious 
target, as I've at least detected a carrier from 
936 with the right offset for Agadir.   But, no 
sign of 783, even with 936 there.


As for audionothing yet to match Nigel 
Pimblett hearing Benin-1566 in Alberta (also a summer time phenomenon).


best wishes,


Nick





At 15:57 2018-07-17, Mark Connelly via IRCA wrote:


Basically, as some of us know, if you can avoid 
static-crash nights, there is still a lot of DX 
to be heard in the heart of summer.  This is 
especially true when talking about southerly 
targets enjoying greater length of darkness.



Not sure how the whole "DX season" thing got 
started.  I suppose some parts of the country 
such as the Deep South and parts of the Midwest 
have nearly continuous thunderstorm 
activity.  In the northeast and the northwest 
you can sometimes pick your spots for relatively noise free success.




Gary DeBock running Down Unders from OR and WA 
would be the West Coast version of your Cape Cod summer DX, Roy.



783 hasn't shown much here either lately.  What 
is there is probably Spain / Syria instead of 
the usual Mauritania flamethrower.



Mark Connelly, WA1ION
South Yarmouth, MA



-Original Message-
From: roybars...@hotmail.com [CapeDX] 
To: CapeDX 
Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 11:44 am
Subject: [CapeDX] When it Rains it pours







Pulled into the parking lot of the local beach 
(Menauhant) on 7/14/18 and set up the mini-loop and other gear.
Checked the compass heading and that was at 120 
Degrees and happened to be the sweet spot for the night.



Not much for Argies this session but Africa was producing.


  UTC  Ant.  120


680  Brazil - Sao Luis - Woman in Portuguese 
then some ascending tones and ID. and back into 
talk. Good and all alone under Boston.



860  Brazil - CBN, Rio - A little music to ID. 
w/ man and woman alternating talk. USB



940  Brazil - Rio - Good on top.

1150  Brazil - Sao Paulo - This is super radio - 
On top at the time then into news.



1179  Mozambique - EP da Zambezia - Quelimane - 
Group singing. Weak to fair. S 3-4 // 1206



1206  Mozambique - EP de Inhambane - Fair at S 
3-5 - Man in Portuguese then singing as above, 
w/ long song. S-6 end of file - // 1179



1220  Brazil - Global - last part of file at S-8.




0005 120 D.


720  Unknown - At 0006:04  rooster crow and ID. 
- Sounded like he said, in Paraguay and believe 
heard 2 pips then mu sic for 1/2 minute and the 
man talking again. On top but along w/ noise.





 0018   120


610  Brazil - Talk, game.


650  Brazil - R. itatiaia- Timoteo -  With game  //  610 which was under WSRO.


700  Brazil - All talk - Presume - Nossa.


720  Unknown - May be the same station as 
previous file and playing Mariachi type music. Spanish - USB



945  Unknown - Weak w/talk or music. Also on 
other files. To weak to know language.





  0030   120


595  Music but weak. // 612


621  Spain - Fair and under them African type music w/ drums.


630  Brazil - T - Rio - Under pro with 
Portuguese talk, fan fare, some music between talk and Brazil mentioned.



648  Botswana - T -  With group singing along 
with drums.Heard on other files and the lead 
singer would emphasis certain words.



760  Brazil - Good on top.


828  AFS - Magic 828 - Music fair at S-5.


1026  Mo zambique -  Some Portuguese talk into 
music.  S 5-6   2.600 filter on 1026.300



1060  Brazil - Portuguese w/game - R. Grande presume.


1179  Mozambique and Spain mixing.


1206  Mozambique - Last part of file w/music  // 1179 and 1026




   0045120


864  Egypt - Fair


1206  Mozambique - Portuguese talk between 2 men.  //  1224


1224  Mozambique - As above but weaker.




 ;0048120 
   Note when hands on and find good reception may tape at that time.



Ok besides Botswana had bits of talk on 765




0100   120


700  Argentina - T - 5+1 pips but weak. Also may 
have been them on 1030 but Argentina absent it seems.



936  Morocco -  Mid-East music in good.


981  Algeria - S-6.






   ; 0115 120


600  Brazil - 2 woman in Portuguese - 4 pips 
heard, last one higher pitch - Cuba on top.



620  Brazil - Game going on with lots of 
fanfare, party noises, sirene etc. - I would say 
Fortaleza as 1645 MLZ beacon off Sao Paulo not in.



700  Many stations on this channel - Brazil best last part of file.


720  USB - Brazil mostly on top w/ others. These 
2 frequencies could hold some good DX but 710 
can get in the way. So at an auspicious date will make a trip to Chatham.





   0145   & nbsp;   170  Deg.


After hearing the Minute Man under 570 NY moved the 

[IRCA] Summer DXing (was: [CapeDX] When it Rains it pours)

[Mark Connelly via IRCA]

--- Begin Message ---

Basically, as some of us know, if you can avoid static-crash nights, there is 
still a lot of DX to be heard in the heart of summer.  This is especially true 
when talking about southerly targets enjoying greater length of darkness.


Not sure how the whole "DX season" thing got started.  I suppose some parts of 
the country such as the Deep South and parts of the Midwest have nearly 
continuous thunderstorm activity.  In the northeast and the northwest you can 
sometimes pick your spots for relatively noise free success.



Gary DeBock running Down Unders from OR and WA would be the West Coast version 
of your Cape Cod summer DX, Roy.


783 hasn't shown much here either lately.  What is there is probably Spain / 
Syria instead of the usual Mauritania flamethrower.


Mark Connelly, WA1ION
South Yarmouth, MA

 

-Original Message-
From: roybars...@hotmail.com [CapeDX] 
To: CapeDX 
Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 11:44 am
Subject: [CapeDX] When it Rains it pours



  

  

Pulled into the parking lot of the local beach (Menauhant) on 7/14/18 and set 
up the mini-loop and other gear.
Checked the compass heading and that was at 120 Degrees and happened to be the 
sweet spot for the night.


Not much for Argies this session but Africa was producing.


  UTC  Ant.  120


680  Brazil - Sao Luis - Woman in Portuguese then some ascending tones and ID. 
and back into talk. Good and all alone under Boston.


860  Brazil - CBN, Rio - A little music to ID. w/ man and woman alternating 
talk. USB


940  Brazil - Rio - Good on top.

1150  Brazil - Sao Paulo - This is super radio - On top at the time then into 
news.


1179  Mozambique - EP da Zambezia - Quelimane - Group singing. Weak to fair. S 
3-4 // 1206


1206  Mozambique - EP de Inhambane - Fair at S 3-5 - Man in Portuguese then 
singing as above, w/ long song. S-6 end of file - // 1179


1220  Brazil - Global - last part of file at S-8.




0005 120 D.


720  Unknown - At 0006:04  rooster crow and ID. - Sounded like he said, in 
Paraguay and believe heard 2 pips then mu sic for 1/2 minute and the man 
talking again. On top but along w/ noise.




 0018   120


610  Brazil - Talk, game.


650  Brazil - R. itatiaia- Timoteo -  With game  //  610 which was under WSRO.


700  Brazil - All talk - Presume - Nossa.


720  Unknown - May be the same station as previous file and playing Mariachi 
type music. Spanish - USB


945  Unknown - Weak w/talk or music. Also on other files. To weak to know 
language.




  0030   120


595  Music but weak. // 612


621  Spain - Fair and under them African type music w/ drums.


630  Brazil - T - Rio - Under pro with Portuguese talk, fan fare, some music 
between talk and Brazil mentioned.


648  Botswana - T -  With group singing along with drums.Heard on other files 
and the lead singer would emphasis certain words.


760  Brazil - Good on top.


828  AFS - Magic 828 - Music fair at S-5.


1026  Mo zambique -  Some Portuguese talk into music.  S 5-6   2.600 filter on 
1026.300


1060  Brazil - Portuguese w/game - R. Grande presume.


1179  Mozambique and Spain mixing.


1206  Mozambique - Last part of file w/music  // 1179 and 1026




   0045120


864  Egypt - Fair


1206  Mozambique - Portuguese talk between 2 men.  //  1224


1224  Mozambique - As above but weaker.




 ;0048120 Note when hands on and find 
good reception may tape at that time.


Ok besides Botswana had bits of talk on 765




0100   120


700  Argentina - T - 5+1 pips but weak. Also may have been them on 1030 but 
Argentina absent it seems.


936  Morocco -  Mid-East music in good.


981  Algeria - S-6.






   ; 0115 120


600  Brazil - 2 woman in Portuguese - 4 pips heard, last one higher pitch - 
Cuba on top.


620  Brazil - Game going on with lots of fanfare, party noises, sirene etc. - I 
would say Fortaleza as 1645 MLZ beacon off Sao Paulo not in.


700  Many stations on this channel - Brazil best last part of file.


720  USB - Brazil mostly on top w/ others. These 2 frequencies could hold some 
good DX but 710 can get in the way. So at an auspicious date will make a trip 
to Chatham.




   0145   & nbsp;   170  Deg.


After hearing the Minute Man under 570 NY moved the truck. Not much.


910  PTR - WPRP - Ponce on top with music and ID.








That's it.


Noticed no 783 on a file. So went back over all the files and could not even 
find a string on the waterfall for 783.
So something going on with Mauritania it seems.




Take care,
Roy Barstow - Falmouth - OLD CAPE COD






 
__._,_.___
 
 


Posted by: roybars...@hotmail.com
 

 

  

  
  

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[David Faulkner via IRCA]

--- Begin Message ---
 Hi All:
Sounds to me like if they want to ruin broadcast radio they're going about it 
the right way. That includes FM, where they're jamming so many signals on the 
air even locals are had to listen to while driving, especially if there's the 
least bit of skip. Granted, the airways are public and the public should have 
access, but why does a relatively small market, such as my nearby 
Parkersburg/Marietta market, (less than 100,000 people) need six local AMs and 
(at last count) 20 commercial and non-commercial FMs, not to mention a small TV 
station? 

BTW; WATH, 970, Athens, now does local origination oldies 6-A.M.-10 P.M., 
though I think they're automated after 7 P.m. and they mix in local talk 9-10 
a.m. and 6-7 p.m. (sports). But check out their live stream on the web sometime 
and see if the afternoon guy doesn't sound loike the reincarnation of Casey 
Casum of AT40 fame. It's uncanny.
73David Faulkner5350 Shawnee DriveAlbany, Ohio 45710

On Tuesday, July 17, 2018, 10:28:00 AM EDT, Mark Mobile 
 wrote:  
 
 It's not WWFD 820; it's "WWFD 800--810--820--830--840"

:-))


Cheers!

Mark Durenberger, mobile


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 8:46 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

Thanks for the update Brett

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM Brett Saylor  wrote:

> 1500 WFED isn't on IBOC right now, and I don't recall it being on any time
> recently. According to Barry's site it's been off since 2007.
>
> I just checked my overnight recordings and 820 is solid IBOC hash from 815
> to 825 kHz, from sunset to sunrise. I can get around most IBOC noise by
> tuning the opposite LSB or USB but this covers the entire frequency. 820 
> is
> now pretty useless as a nighttime frequency. Frederick is 100 miles from
> here.
>
>
> Brett Saylor
> State College, PA
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Russ Johnson  wrote:
>
> > Let’s hope so.
> >
> > I was unimpressed even with HD FM coverage. Too many drop outs.
> >
> > Is 1500 in DC still iboc?
> >
> > Russ Johnson
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 17, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> > >
> > > There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have
> been..
> > > But the rush into this ignores some important points -
> > >
> > > 1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ?
> My
> > > understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
> > > capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
> > > 2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal - 
> > > which
> > > will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
> > > 3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change
> > them ?
> > >
> > > I predict this adventure will fail.
> > >
> > >
> > > Russ Edmunds
> > > 15 mi NW Phila
> > > Grid FN20id
> > > 
> > >
> > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
> > > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> > > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
> > > modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
> > > modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Les Rayburn 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Here’s some news that I’m not sure how to feel about:
> > >>
> > >> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >>
> > >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > >> 121 Mayfair Park
> > >> Maylene, AL 35114
> > >> EM63nf
> > >>
> > >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> > >>
> > >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR
> Guy
> > >> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> > Korner
> > >> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> > >> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active
> > Whip.
> > >>
> > >> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ___
> > >> IRCA mailing list
> > >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> > >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> > >>
> > >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> > >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of
> the
> > >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> > >>
> > >> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> > >>
> > >> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > > ___
> > > IRCA mailing list
> > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> > >
> > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or 

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Mark Mobile]

It's not WWFD 820; it's "WWFD 800--810--820--830--840"

:-))


Cheers!

Mark Durenberger, mobile


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Johnson

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 8:46 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

Thanks for the update Brett

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM Brett Saylor  wrote:


1500 WFED isn't on IBOC right now, and I don't recall it being on any time
recently. According to Barry's site it's been off since 2007.

I just checked my overnight recordings and 820 is solid IBOC hash from 815
to 825 kHz, from sunset to sunrise. I can get around most IBOC noise by
tuning the opposite LSB or USB but this covers the entire frequency. 820 
is

now pretty useless as a nighttime frequency. Frederick is 100 miles from
here.


Brett Saylor
State College, PA



On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Russ Johnson  wrote:

> Let’s hope so.
>
> I was unimpressed even with HD FM coverage. Too many drop outs.
>
> Is 1500 in DC still iboc?
>
> Russ Johnson
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> >
> > There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have
been..
> > But the rush into this ignores some important points -
> >
> > 1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ?
My
> > understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
> > capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
> > 2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal - 
> > which

> > will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
> > 3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change
> them ?
> >
> > I predict this adventure will fail.
> >
> >
> > Russ Edmunds
> > 15 mi NW Phila
> > Grid FN20id
> > 
> >
> > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
> > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
> > modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
> > modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Les Rayburn 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Here’s some news that I’m not sure how to feel about:
> >>
> >> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> >> 121 Mayfair Park
> >> Maylene, AL 35114
> >> EM63nf
> >>
> >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> >>
> >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR
Guy
> >> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> Korner
> >> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> >> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active
> Whip.
> >>
> >> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
> >>
> >>
> >> ___
> >> IRCA mailing list
> >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> >>
> >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of
the
> >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> >>
> >> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> >>
> >> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >>
> >>
> > ___
> > IRCA mailing list
> > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> >
> > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> >
> > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> >
> > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>
>
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com



___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the 
original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the 
IRCA, 

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Russ Johnson]

Thanks for the update Brett

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM Brett Saylor  wrote:

> 1500 WFED isn't on IBOC right now, and I don't recall it being on any time
> recently. According to Barry's site it's been off since 2007.
>
> I just checked my overnight recordings and 820 is solid IBOC hash from 815
> to 825 kHz, from sunset to sunrise. I can get around most IBOC noise by
> tuning the opposite LSB or USB but this covers the entire frequency. 820 is
> now pretty useless as a nighttime frequency. Frederick is 100 miles from
> here.
>
>
> Brett Saylor
> State College, PA
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Russ Johnson  wrote:
>
> > Let’s hope so.
> >
> > I was unimpressed even with HD FM coverage. Too many drop outs.
> >
> > Is 1500 in DC still iboc?
> >
> > Russ Johnson
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 17, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> > >
> > > There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have
> been..
> > > But the rush into this ignores some important points -
> > >
> > > 1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ?
> My
> > > understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
> > > capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
> > > 2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal - which
> > > will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
> > > 3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change
> > them ?
> > >
> > > I predict this adventure will fail.
> > >
> > >
> > > Russ Edmunds
> > > 15 mi NW Phila
> > > Grid FN20id
> > > 
> > >
> > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
> > > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> > > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
> > > modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
> > > modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Les Rayburn 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Here’s some news that I’m not sure how to feel about:
> > >>
> > >> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >>
> > >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > >> 121 Mayfair Park
> > >> Maylene, AL 35114
> > >> EM63nf
> > >>
> > >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> > >>
> > >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR
> Guy
> > >> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> > Korner
> > >> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> > >> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active
> > Whip.
> > >>
> > >> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ___
> > >> IRCA mailing list
> > >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> > >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> > >>
> > >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> > >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of
> the
> > >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> > >>
> > >> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> > >>
> > >> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > > ___
> > > IRCA mailing list
> > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> > >
> > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> > >
> > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> > >
> > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > >
> > ___
> > IRCA mailing list
> > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> >
> > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> >
> > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> >
> > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >
> >
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>
>
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For 

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Brett Saylor]

1500 WFED isn't on IBOC right now, and I don't recall it being on any time
recently. According to Barry's site it's been off since 2007.

I just checked my overnight recordings and 820 is solid IBOC hash from 815
to 825 kHz, from sunset to sunrise. I can get around most IBOC noise by
tuning the opposite LSB or USB but this covers the entire frequency. 820 is
now pretty useless as a nighttime frequency. Frederick is 100 miles from
here.


Brett Saylor
State College, PA



On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Russ Johnson  wrote:

> Let’s hope so.
>
> I was unimpressed even with HD FM coverage. Too many drop outs.
>
> Is 1500 in DC still iboc?
>
> Russ Johnson
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> >
> > There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have been..
> > But the rush into this ignores some important points -
> >
> > 1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ? My
> > understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
> > capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
> > 2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal - which
> > will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
> > 3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change
> them ?
> >
> > I predict this adventure will fail.
> >
> >
> > Russ Edmunds
> > 15 mi NW Phila
> > Grid FN20id
> > 
> >
> > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
> > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
> > modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
> > modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Les Rayburn 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Here’s some news that I’m not sure how to feel about:
> >>
> >> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> >> 121 Mayfair Park
> >> Maylene, AL 35114
> >> EM63nf
> >>
> >> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
> >>
> >> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> >> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> Korner
> >> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> >> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active
> Whip.
> >>
> >> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
> >>
> >>
> >> ___
> >> IRCA mailing list
> >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> >>
> >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> >>
> >> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> >>
> >> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >>
> >>
> > ___
> > IRCA mailing list
> > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> >
> > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> >
> > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> >
> > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>
>
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Russ Johnson]

Let’s hope so. 

I was unimpressed even with HD FM coverage. Too many drop outs. 

Is 1500 in DC still iboc?

Russ Johnson 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
> 
> There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have been.
> But the rush into this ignores some important points -
> 
> 1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ? My
> understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
> capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
> 2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal - which
> will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
> 3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change them ?
> 
> I predict this adventure will fail.
> 
> 
> Russ Edmunds
> 15 mi NW Phila
> Grid FN20id
> 
> 
> AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
> FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
> modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
> modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Les Rayburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s some news that I’m not sure how to feel about:
>> 
>> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> 121 Mayfair Park
>> Maylene, AL 35114
>> EM63nf
>> 
>> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>> 
>> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
>> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner
>> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
>> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>> 
>> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> IRCA mailing list
>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>> 
>> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
>> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
>> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>> 
>> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>> 
>> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>> 
>> 
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> 
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
> contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
> editors, publishing staff, or officers
> 
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> 
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> 
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] WWFD 820 Becomes First All-Digital AM Station

[Russ Edmunds]

There will now be just digital hash where the AM signal would have been.
But the rush into this ignores some important points -

1. How many car radios are capable of receiving these transmissions ? My
understanding was that carmakers were reducing, not increasing the HD
capability as standard equipment because it hadn't caught on.
2. How many listeners are driven off by the low range AM signal - which
will continue and perhaps be worse - and not by analog
3. How many people actually listen on AM anyway and would this change them ?

I predict this adventure will fail.


Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
Grid FN20id


AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (3) barefoot w/whip
FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); Sony XDRS3HD;
modified Sony ICF2010's (2) w/APS9B @ 15';
modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip


On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Les Rayburn  wrote:

> Here’s some news that I’m not sure how to feel about:
>
> https://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n35675
>
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> 121 Mayfair Park
> Maylene, AL 35114
> EM63nf
>
> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>
> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD [XDR Guy
> Modified], Dennon TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1X, Ray Dees RDS Decoders, Korner
> 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Kitz Technologies KT-501 Pre-amps, Quantum
> Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>
> “Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…”
>
>
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>
>
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

[IRCA] TP 16 Jul Victoria version.

[Nick Hall-Patch]

not too exciting this morning



pretty darn good audio (all of it understandable by a native speaker, at least 
briefly):

nope 




Reasonable audio  at  times during the period (much of it understandable by a 
native speaker, though often battling w/splash or noise):

nope...



not so reasonable audio, occasional words or phrases in splash or noise could 
be understood by a native speaker: 


and nope






Burbles in the splatter and noise (if lucky, language might be guessed at by 
cadence of talk, or parallel established by changes in talk or music)  

612 woman talking, DU English intonation 1225UT

774 man talking Japanese intonation 1150UT

1503 man talking, DU English intonation, sports announcer? 1222UT





Strongish het, no or "near imaginary" audio (either undermodulated or ravaged 
by splatter)

594 828  seemed to be Asian; 
 603 675 738 774 828 1017 1026 1098 1494 1566  seemed to be DU 



best wishes,

Nick








Nick Hall-Patch
Victoria, BC
Canada  

___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com