subject:"\[IRCA\] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW\-AM"

Re: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM

2016-03-04 Thread Mike Sanburn

Well stated Rick.

Sent from my iPod

> On Mar 3, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Rick Dau <drummer196...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I meant to reply a couple weeks ago during the "KXEL petition" thread, but 
> since this article about WLW has now become a topic of discussion, here's my 
> opportunity to air out my feelings about the band and the hobby. 
> 
> I guess I am one of those remaining few left who believe in AM radio.  When I 
> say believe, I mean that, like Russ, I don't expect it to disappear anytime 
> soon.  Nothing gets my ire up more than when a suggestion is made that AM 
> will die in X amount of years (5? 10?).   NONSENSE.  AM stations will always 
> have an audience.  And, yes, full service radio is alive and well, if you 
> know where to look for it.  My goodness, look the service that 50,000 watt 
> KRVN provides during daylight hours to the farmers and ranchers of a 5-state 
> area of the High Plains (stream it sometime, if you're too far away for its 
> OTA signal to reach, and you'll see what I mean).  Same way with KCJJ-1630 in 
> Iowa City, WSLM-1220 in Salem, Indiana, and gosh knows how many other 
> stations.   LOCAL service to a LOCAL audience.  It's a concept that still 
> survives.
> 
> When I'm not DXing, I listen to KWMT-540 in Fort Dodge, Iowa during the late 
> mornings and early afternoons for its classic country & western M-U-S-I-C.  
> In the evenings, I'll often tune into WBBM to hear about what's going on in 
> Chicagoland (I have fun trying to keep up with the traffic reports on the 
> 8s!).  If I'm up past Midnight, it's WSM and Marcia Campbell for a show 
> that's TRULY geared towards the trucking demographic (way better than Red Eye 
> Radio, IMHO!).   In the summertime, it's WLW for Reds broadcasts, WTAM for 
> the Indians, WIBA for the Brewers, and KOA for the Rockies (not a fan of any 
> of these teams, I just tune in because I enjoy the broadcasts!).   And 
> please, PLEASE note, folks, that none of what I've listed above is streamed.  
> The only stations I EVER stream on a consistent basis are KCJJ (during the 
> morning drive shift, as it has a video stream and chatroom in which I 
> participate -- look for "HawkeyeRick") and its sister FM, 99pluskfmh.com.
> 
> In short, over-the-air is what counts, in this listener's opinion.  The DXing 
> hobby means too much to me, and I'm not about to give it or AM radio last 
> rites anytime soon, if ever.  The thrill of the chase is what I enjoy, and 
> always will. 
> 
> "You had your time
>  You had the power
>  You've yet to have your finest hourRadio"  
> 
>   -- "Radio Gaga"
>Queen
> 
> 73, 
> Rick Dau (DXing 1310 as he types this)
> South Omaha, Nebraska  EN21af
> http://www.dxworld.com/bcblog.html 
> 
> 
> From: IRCA <irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com> on behalf of Russ Edmunds 
> <wb2...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 4:16 PM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM
> 
> The AM band is unsuited for a number of things which various bureaucrats or
> other outsiders have proposed. I think that's probably the primary reason I
> don't expect it to go away very soon. I suspect that when it does, it will
> simply die out naturally because of its various limitations coupled with
> the cumulative damage from all sorts of industry-sponsored FCC decisions
> which have repeatedly wounded it.
> 
> Russ Edmunds
> 15 mi NW Phila
> Grid FN20id
> <wb2...@gmail.com>
> 
> AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
> FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
> Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
> modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
> Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:11 PM, R. Colin Newell <coffeecan...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> *“Revitalizing the AM band by allowing licensees a low powered FM
>> translator frequency is not “revitalization.”  It’s a white flag surrender,
>> with the FCC and broadcast industry giving up on the AM radio. And could
>> that be the ultimate goal? Freeing up the valuable AM (broadcast) spectrum
>> space to be auctioned off for other uses, like wireless data?” he
>> writes..."*
>> 
>> As horrible as that sounds - it is not likely the AM dial would be useful
>> for data transmission at all well...
>> Because the very same thing that effects us radio listeners would impinge
>> on the performance of the AM dial as a data carrier --
>> an en

Re: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM

2016-03-03 Thread Rick Dau

I meant to reply a couple weeks ago during the "KXEL petition" thread, but 
since this article about WLW has now become a topic of discussion, here's my 
opportunity to air out my feelings about the band and the hobby. 

I guess I am one of those remaining few left who believe in AM radio.  When I 
say believe, I mean that, like Russ, I don't expect it to disappear anytime 
soon.  Nothing gets my ire up more than when a suggestion is made that AM will 
die in X amount of years (5? 10?).   NONSENSE.  AM stations will always have an 
audience.  And, yes, full service radio is alive and well, if you know where to 
look for it.  My goodness, look the service that 50,000 watt KRVN provides 
during daylight hours to the farmers and ranchers of a 5-state area of the High 
Plains (stream it sometime, if you're too far away for its OTA signal to reach, 
and you'll see what I mean).  Same way with KCJJ-1630 in Iowa City, WSLM-1220 
in Salem, Indiana, and gosh knows how many other stations.   LOCAL service to a 
LOCAL audience.  It's a concept that still survives.

When I'm not DXing, I listen to KWMT-540 in Fort Dodge, Iowa during the late 
mornings and early afternoons for its classic country & western M-U-S-I-C.  In 
the evenings, I'll often tune into WBBM to hear about what's going on in 
Chicagoland (I have fun trying to keep up with the traffic reports on the 8s!). 
 If I'm up past Midnight, it's WSM and Marcia Campbell for a show that's TRULY 
geared towards the trucking demographic (way better than Red Eye Radio, IMHO!). 
  In the summertime, it's WLW for Reds broadcasts, WTAM for the Indians, WIBA 
for the Brewers, and KOA for the Rockies (not a fan of any of these teams, I 
just tune in because I enjoy the broadcasts!).   And please, PLEASE note, 
folks, that none of what I've listed above is streamed.  The only stations I 
EVER stream on a consistent basis are KCJJ (during the morning drive shift, as 
it has a video stream and chatroom in which I participate -- look for 
"HawkeyeRick") and its sister FM, 99pluskfmh.com.

In short, over-the-air is what counts, in this listener's opinion.  The DXing 
hobby means too much to me, and I'm not about to give it or AM radio last rites 
anytime soon, if ever.  The thrill of the chase is what I enjoy, and always 
will. 

"You had your time
  You had the power
  You've yet to have your finest hourRadio"  

   -- "Radio Gaga"
Queen

73, 
Rick Dau (DXing 1310 as he types this)
South Omaha, Nebraska  EN21af
http://www.dxworld.com/bcblog.html 

From: IRCA <irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com> on behalf of Russ Edmunds 
<wb2...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 4:16 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM

The AM band is unsuited for a number of things which various bureaucrats or
other outsiders have proposed. I think that's probably the primary reason I
don't expect it to go away very soon. I suspect that when it does, it will
simply die out naturally because of its various limitations coupled with
the cumulative damage from all sorts of industry-sponsored FCC decisions
which have repeatedly wounded it.

Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
Grid FN20id
<wb2...@gmail.com>

AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:11 PM, R. Colin Newell <coffeecan...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> *“Revitalizing the AM band by allowing licensees a low powered FM
> translator frequency is not “revitalization.”  It’s a white flag surrender,
> with the FCC and broadcast industry giving up on the AM radio. And could
> that be the ultimate goal? Freeing up the valuable AM (broadcast) spectrum
> space to be auctioned off for other uses, like wireless data?” he
> writes..."*
>
> As horrible as that sounds - it is not likely the AM dial would be useful
> for data transmission at all well...
> Because the very same thing that effects us radio listeners would impinge
> on the performance of the AM dial as a data carrier --
> an endless orchestra of RFI from cheap wall warts, switching power supplies
> and poorly maintained power lines would render
> the AM spectrum as useless for wireless data as it is for the current crop
> of stalwarts still clinging to the notion of medium wave
> as an entertainment or experimental hobbyist medium.
>
> The fact that the FCC is actually taking the occasional glance (at the AM
> dial)- and recognizing its sad state of affairs... brings me no end of joy.
>
>
> http://wvxu.org/post/unhappy-birthday-wlw-am
> >

Re: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM

2016-03-03 Thread Russ Edmunds

Maybe what's interfering with WLW is an adjacent channel's IBOC ?

Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
Grid FN20id
<wb2...@gmail.com>

AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip


On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 8:35 PM, David Faulkner via IRCA <
irca@hard-core-dx.com> wrote:

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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM
> Hi All:
> While I'm sorry to see the big stations go, they really are dinosaurs. The
> only way I can get a listenable signal out of WLW anymore is to listen in
> the car, and even then they will occasionally be overridden by a descending
> warbling tone that has to be coming from one of the neighbors' routers (if
> it's not coming from mine). If there was something I wanted to listen to on
> WLW I'd probably listen online. I personally don't think AM can be
> revitalized, no matter how many signals they put on it. The costs are
> getting too high to justify the return on investment, particularly when we
> start talking about highly directional stations. How many stations have cut
> their night power so they can be non-directional? My guess is, several
> hundred
>
> 73David
>
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 7:50 PM, Patrick Martin <mwd...@webtv.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>  Although I think this is a shame. However, this has been going on since
> the 1970s where more and more stations are allowed on clear channel
> frequencies and the long distance reception is getting harder and harder.
> This is no surprise. The FCC is changing the whole spectrum. They are
> repacking the TV dial and selling frequencies to the cel phone industry, so
> TV markets will be forced to cram more channels into a smaller area. It
> used to be back in the 60s, a person could easily listen to stations coast
> to coast with a clock radio. Today, hearing a station a 1000 miles away
> takes some effort. But we do have streaming in today's World and I use that
> a lot with my wifi radio.
>
> Patrick
>
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
>
> > From: wb6...@gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 14:03:39 -0800
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Subject: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM
> >
> > http://wvxu.org/post/unhappy-birthday-wlw-am
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Re: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM

2016-03-03 Thread David Faulkner via IRCA

--- Begin Message ---
Hi All:
While I'm sorry to see the big stations go, they really are dinosaurs. The only 
way I can get a listenable signal out of WLW anymore is to listen in the car, 
and even then they will occasionally be overridden by a descending warbling 
tone that has to be coming from one of the neighbors' routers (if it's not 
coming from mine). If there was something I wanted to listen to on WLW I'd 
probably listen online. I personally don't think AM can be revitalized, no 
matter how many signals they put on it. The costs are getting too high to 
justify the return on investment, particularly when we start talking about 
highly directional stations. How many stations have cut their night power so 
they can be non-directional? My guess is, several hundred

73David
 

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 7:50 PM, Patrick Martin <mwd...@webtv.net> wrote:
 

 Although I think this is a shame. However, this has been going on since the 
1970s where more and more stations are allowed on clear channel frequencies and 
the long distance reception is getting harder and harder. This is no surprise. 
The FCC is changing the whole spectrum. They are repacking the TV dial and 
selling frequencies to the cel phone industry, so TV markets will be forced to 
cram more channels into a smaller area. It used to be back in the 60s, a person 
could easily listen to stations coast to coast with a clock radio. Today, 
hearing a station a 1000 miles away takes some effort. But we do have streaming 
in today's World and I use that a lot with my wifi radio. 

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: wb6...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 14:03:39 -0800
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM
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> http://wvxu.org/post/unhappy-birthday-wlw-am
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Re: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM

2016-03-03 Thread Patrick Martin

Although I think this is a shame. However, this has been going on since the 
1970s where more and more stations are allowed on clear channel frequencies and 
the long distance reception is getting harder and harder. This is no surprise. 
The FCC is changing the whole spectrum. They are repacking the TV dial and 
selling frequencies to the cel phone industry, so TV markets will be forced to 
cram more channels into a smaller area. It used to be back in the 60s, a person 
could easily listen to stations coast to coast with a clock radio. Today, 
hearing a station a 1000 miles away takes some effort. But we do have streaming 
in today's World and I use that a lot with my wifi radio. 

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: wb6...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 14:03:39 -0800
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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> http://wvxu.org/post/unhappy-birthday-wlw-am
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Re: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM

2016-03-03 Thread Russ Edmunds

The AM band is unsuited for a number of things which various bureaucrats or
other outsiders have proposed. I think that's probably the primary reason I
don't expect it to go away very soon. I suspect that when it does, it will
simply die out naturally because of its various limitations coupled with
the cumulative damage from all sorts of industry-sponsored FCC decisions
which have repeatedly wounded it.

Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
Grid FN20id


AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip
FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2);
modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15';
Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip


On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:11 PM, R. Colin Newell 
wrote:

> *“Revitalizing the AM band by allowing licensees a low powered FM
> translator frequency is not “revitalization.”  It’s a white flag surrender,
> with the FCC and broadcast industry giving up on the AM radio. And could
> that be the ultimate goal? Freeing up the valuable AM (broadcast) spectrum
> space to be auctioned off for other uses, like wireless data?” he
> writes..."*
>
> As horrible as that sounds - it is not likely the AM dial would be useful
> for data transmission at all well...
> Because the very same thing that effects us radio listeners would impinge
> on the performance of the AM dial as a data carrier --
> an endless orchestra of RFI from cheap wall warts, switching power supplies
> and poorly maintained power lines would render
> the AM spectrum as useless for wireless data as it is for the current crop
> of stalwarts still clinging to the notion of medium wave
> as an entertainment or experimental hobbyist medium.
>
> The fact that the FCC is actually taking the occasional glance (at the AM
> dial)- and recognizing its sad state of affairs... brings me no end of joy.
>
>
> http://wvxu.org/post/unhappy-birthday-wlw-am
> >
> >
> --
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>  and DXer.ca  -
> VA7WWV | Twitter @CoffeeCrew | Victoria - Canada
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Re: [IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM

2016-03-03 Thread R. Colin Newell

*“Revitalizing the AM band by allowing licensees a low powered FM
translator frequency is not “revitalization.”  It’s a white flag surrender,
with the FCC and broadcast industry giving up on the AM radio. And could
that be the ultimate goal? Freeing up the valuable AM (broadcast) spectrum
space to be auctioned off for other uses, like wireless data?” he
writes..."*

As horrible as that sounds - it is not likely the AM dial would be useful
for data transmission at all well...
Because the very same thing that effects us radio listeners would impinge
on the performance of the AM dial as a data carrier --
an endless orchestra of RFI from cheap wall warts, switching power supplies
and poorly maintained power lines would render
the AM spectrum as useless for wireless data as it is for the current crop
of stalwarts still clinging to the notion of medium wave
as an entertainment or experimental hobbyist medium.

The fact that the FCC is actually taking the occasional glance (at the AM
dial)- and recognizing its sad state of affairs... brings me no end of joy.


http://wvxu.org/post/unhappy-birthday-wlw-am
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[IRCA] An Unhappy Birthday For WLW-AM

2016-03-03 Thread Dennis Gibson

http://wvxu.org/post/unhappy-birthday-wlw-am

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