[IRCA] Puyallup, WA TP's for 10-20... More Fun
Hello All, About a month ago Walt sent me an MP3 of a Chinese station mixing with KPUG-1170 at a pretty good level, and recently it seemed that everyone except me had heard the KBS mega-station mixing with the Bellingham, WA (sports talk) domestic station. Running out of easy Ultralight TP's to chase after 107 were in the log, I decided to give TP-chasing on 1170 a try during good conditions this morning. KPUG is pretty far from here, so it was easy to null on the 9' loop. Although the null bearing wasn't ideal for Korea, it didn't matter during great TP propagation (like this morning). Sure enough at 1411, there was a Chinese music station mixing with KPUG's much-reduced signal, then the KBS 500 kw station HLSR joined in a minute later (with Korean talk, then non-Korean foreign-type music). The Chinese music station was UnID, but it may possibly have been the CNR1 reported by Bruce in his excellent Grayland report (in the current DXM). The KBS station rose up to 9+ local-like strength at 1418 playing some foreign music, completely taking over the frequency from both KPUG and the UnID Chinese, and was easily audible on the C.Crane SWP Slider with no help from the loop. The Chinese then came up in strength at 1422, before both TP's began to fade at 1430. It was a very fun morning, and the KBS station (Ultralight TP #108) was the first TP I've heard on a domestic frequency since logging JOBB-830 (in January of 1973) on a Sony TR-6400 :-) 73, Gary DeBock Spotting receiver: Modified ICF-2010 (30 loopstick) Main receiver: Modified C.Crane SWP (7.5 Slider loopstick + CFJ455K5 filter) 9' (side) PVC-frame tuned passive loop ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA TP's for 10-20... More Fun
At 16:40 10/20/2009, you wrote: KPUG is pretty far from here, so it was easy to null on the 9' loop. Although the null bearing wasn't ideal for Korea, it didn't matter during great TP propagation (like this morning). Sure enough at 1411, there was a Chinese music station mixing with KPUG's much-reduced signal, then the KBS 500 kw station HLSR joined in a minute later (with Korean talk, then non-Korean foreign-type music). The Chinese music station was UnID, but it may possibly have been the CNR1 reported by Bruce in his excellent Grayland report (in the current DXM). Isn't VoA Philippines supposed to broadcast Cantonese until 1500UT, Gary? Nick * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA TP's for 10-20... More Fun
Hi Nick, Yes, I remember the discussion over Walt's initial 1170 Chinese MP3 made at 1358 on 9-9, in which the Chinese dialect was clearly identified here as Mandarin, not Cantonese. I believe that Bill Harms also mentioned that VOA would have a Cantonese program at the time of Walt's recording, not Mandarin. From what I recall, the conclusion was that Walt was not receiving VOA-Phippines, in that September 9 MP3. This morning the 1170 Chinese station format sounded very much like the typical CNR1 programming (with Chinese music), but the signal dipped below a loud KBS signal before any check could be made of a parallel. I don't know if VOA Philippines would play Chinese music or not during their Cantonese program, but Bruce's recent Grayland report mentioned CNR1 mixing with KBS on 1170, both over KPUG. The Chinese station received this morning is still an UnID mystery, and will be investigated more here in the next few days. Meanwhile, I have my own 1170 mix MP3 of both TP's, winning the battle over KPUG :-) 73, Gary In a message dated 10/20/2009 10:44:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n...@ieee.org writes: At 16:40 10/20/2009, you wrote: KPUG is pretty far from here, so it was easy to null on the 9' loop. Although the null bearing wasn't ideal for Korea, it didn't matter during great TP propagation (like this morning). Sure enough at 1411, there was a Chinese music station mixing with KPUG's much-reduced signal, then the KBS 500 kw station HLSR joined in a minute later (with Korean talk, then non-Korean foreign-type music). The Chinese music station was UnID, but it may possibly have been the CNR1 reported by Bruce in his excellent Grayland report (in the current DXM). Isn't VoA Philippines supposed to broadcast Cantonese until 1500UT, Gary? Nick * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA TP's for 10-20... More Fun
At 18:43 10/20/2009, you wrote: Hi Nick, Yes, I remember the discussion over Walt's initial 1170 Chinese MP3 made at 1358 on 9-9, in which the Chinese dialect was clearly identified here as Mandarin, not Cantonese. I believe that Bill Harms also mentioned that VOA would have a Cantonese program at the time of Walt's recording, not Mandarin. From what I recall, the conclusion was that Walt was not receiving VOA-Phippines, in that September 9 MP3. This morning the 1170 Chinese station format sounded very much like the typical CNR1 programming (with Chinese music), but the signal dipped below a loud KBS signal before any check could be made of a parallel. I don't know if VOA Philippines would play Chinese music or not during their Cantonese program, but Bruce's recent Grayland report mentioned CNR1 mixing with KBS on 1170, both over KPUG. The Chinese station received this morning is still an UnID mystery, and will be investigated more here in the next few days. Meanwhile, I have my own 1170 mix MP3 of both TP's, winning the battle over KPUG OK, thanks Gary. I recall that discussion now, but thought at that time KBS w/CC as scheduled was likely (and a couple of weeks later heard at sea myself w/ KBS ID). Of course at this later time, KBS is supposed to be in Korean according to WRTH. It will be interesting to see what you track down, as I was hearing CC type talk myself this morning on that channel, but didn't stop to figure out if it might be Cantonese or standard Chinese (not being an expert in such matters). But CNR1 on that channel would be new for me also, and I didn't hear it at Grayland. best wishes, Nick * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA TP's for 10-20... More Fun
FWIW, I've hrd KBS and CNR1 1170 multiple times from home this season, but I've never hrd. VOA from home or at Grayland. KBS has Mandarin at 1400, CNR is all Mandarin, and VOA has Cantonese at times, so there's plenty of potential for confusion. Bruce Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Nick Hall-Patch n...@ieee.org Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:42:28 To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of Americairca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA TP's for 10-20... More Fun At 16:40 10/20/2009, you wrote: KPUG is pretty far from here, so it was easy to null on the 9' loop. Although the null bearing wasn't ideal for Korea, it didn't matter during great TP propagation (like this morning). Sure enough at 1411, there was a Chinese music station mixing with KPUG's much-reduced signal, then the KBS 500 kw station HLSR joined in a minute later (with Korean talk, then non-Korean foreign-type music). The Chinese music station was UnID, but it may possibly have been the CNR1 reported by Bruce in his excellent Grayland report (in the current DXM). Isn't VoA Philippines supposed to broadcast Cantonese until 1500UT, Gary? Nick * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA TP's for 10-20... More Fun
Fellas, CNR1 was running an hour long music program this morning starting at about 1403... not classical opera, at least when I was listening. It was more an Asian pops program. I think that it was an hour long. John Bryant At 07:14 PM 10/20/2009 +, you wrote: At 18:43 10/20/2009, you wrote: Hi Nick, Yes, I remember the discussion over Walt's initial 1170 Chinese MP3 made at 1358 on 9-9, in which the Chinese dialect was clearly identified here as Mandarin, not Cantonese. I believe that Bill Harms also mentioned that VOA would have a Cantonese program at the time of Walt's recording, not Mandarin. From what I recall, the conclusion was that Walt was not receiving VOA-Phippines, in that September 9 MP3. This morning the 1170 Chinese station format sounded very much like the typical CNR1 programming (with Chinese music), but the signal dipped below a loud KBS signal before any check could be made of a parallel. I don't know if VOA Philippines would play Chinese music or not during their Cantonese program, but Bruce's recent Grayland report mentioned CNR1 mixing with KBS on 1170, both over KPUG. The Chinese station received this morning is still an UnID mystery, and will be investigated more here in the next few days. Meanwhile, I have my own 1170 mix MP3 of both TP's, winning the battle over KPUG OK, thanks Gary. I recall that discussion now, but thought at that time KBS w/CC as scheduled was likely (and a couple of weeks later heard at sea myself w/ KBS ID). Of course at this later time, KBS is supposed to be in Korean according to WRTH. It will be interesting to see what you track down, as I was hearing CC type talk myself this morning on that channel, but didn't stop to figure out if it might be Cantonese or standard Chinese (not being an expert in such matters). But CNR1 on that channel would be new for me also, and I didn't hear it at Grayland. best wishes, Nick * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA TP's for 10-20... More Fun
John, Bruce, Nick and Others, When reviewing the 6-minute long MP3 of the 1170 kHz mix (HLSR, UnID Chinese and KPUG) recorded on the 9' box loop this morning, there was a Mandarin Chinese female voice prior to the Chinese music, mixing with with KBS (HLSR) and KPUG. All three stations are easily audible during a 3-minute stretch of the MP3, which I'll send to you all privately (and to anyone else who is interested). I'll listen again on 1170 kHz tomorrow, but when conditions are good these three stations seem to be of roughly equal strength, and unpredictable in who will dominate the frequency (kind of like 1134 kHz, with KBS, JOQR and CNR1). 73, Gary In a message dated 10/20/2009 1:49:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bjohnor...@rockisland.com writes: Fellas, CNR1 was running an hour long music program this morning starting at about 1403... not classical opera, at least when I was listening. It was more an Asian pops program. I think that it was an hour long. John Bryant At 07:14 PM 10/20/2009 +, you wrote: At 18:43 10/20/2009, you wrote: Hi Nick, Yes, I remember the discussion over Walt's initial 1170 Chinese MP3 made at 1358 on 9-9, in which the Chinese dialect was clearly identified here as Mandarin, not Cantonese. I believe that Bill Harms also mentioned that VOA would have a Cantonese program at the time of Walt's recording, not Mandarin. From what I recall, the conclusion was that Walt was not receiving VOA-Phippines, in that September 9 MP3. This morning the 1170 Chinese station format sounded very much like the typical CNR1 programming (with Chinese music), but the signal dipped below a loud KBS signal before any check could be made of a parallel. I don't know if VOA Philippines would play Chinese music or not during their Cantonese program, but Bruce's recent Grayland report mentioned CNR1 mixing with KBS on 1170, both over KPUG. The Chinese station received this morning is still an UnID mystery, and will be investigated more here in the next few days. Meanwhile, I have my own 1170 mix MP3 of both TP's, winning the battle over KPUG OK, thanks Gary. I recall that discussion now, but thought at that time KBS w/CC as scheduled was likely (and a couple of weeks later heard at sea myself w/ KBS ID). Of course at this later time, KBS is supposed to be in Korean according to WRTH. It will be interesting to see what you track down, as I was hearing CC type talk myself this morning on that channel, but didn't stop to figure out if it might be Cantonese or standard Chinese (not being an expert in such matters). But CNR1 on that channel would be new for me also, and I didn't hear it at Grayland. best wishes, Nick * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
