[IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread Patrick Martin
I was reading that the Punjabi stations in Vancouver BC has asked the CRTC to 
shut down the U.S. based Punjabi stations broadcasting from the WA into Canada. 
I presume they mean 1110 Oak Harbor, 1550 Ferndale and 1600 Blaine WA. How can 
the CRTC stop a legally licensed U.S. broadcaster from the signal reaching 
Canada? Now, I figure they may be able to stop the stations from getting 
Canadian advertising, but I do not know the laws in Canada in that regard. I 
remember well the Mexican border blasters sending tons of signal into the U.S. 
No one stopped those stations. Some are still in English and broadcast to the 
U.S. CJRJ 1200 is calling the U.S. stations pirates, even though they are 
legally licensed stations on U.S. soil. Can the CRTC do anything? I do not see 
anything they can do, unless they have some control on the advertising from 
Vancouver. Any comments? 

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread Chuck Hutton
http://sikhsiyasat.net/2014/09/08/sher-e-punjab-radio-india-radio-and-punjab-radio-face-crtc-ban-in-b-c-canada/
 
The issue (in the CRTC's view) is that all 3 stations are Canadian owned and 
have their entire offices and staff in Canada and transmit from the US to serve 
Canadian markets. The CRTC says that makes them subject to Canadian rules, etc.
 
Chuck
 
 From: mwd...@webtv.net
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:56:35 -0700
 Subject: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada
 
 I was reading that the Punjabi stations in Vancouver BC has asked the CRTC to 
 shut down the U.S. based Punjabi stations broadcasting from the WA into 
 Canada. I presume they mean 1110 Oak Harbor, 1550 Ferndale and 1600 Blaine 
 WA. How can the CRTC stop a legally licensed U.S. broadcaster from the signal 
 reaching Canada? Now, I figure they may be able to stop the stations from 
 getting Canadian advertising, but I do not know the laws in Canada in that 
 regard. I remember well the Mexican border blasters sending tons of signal 
 into the U.S. No one stopped those stations. Some are still in English and 
 broadcast to the U.S. CJRJ 1200 is calling the U.S. stations pirates, even 
 though they are legally licensed stations on U.S. soil. Can the CRTC do 
 anything? I do not see anything they can do, unless they have some control on 
 the advertising from Vancouver. Any comments? 
 
 73,
 
 Patrick
 
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Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread Forrest Skaine
Then the CRTC needs to clean up its own backyard and stop the cheaters such
as CJGX, CKMX and CKLQ. Seriously what a joke.

Sincerely,
Todd Skaine
Woodbury, MN
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On Sep 17, 2014 2:43 AM, Chuck Hutton charle...@msn.com wrote:


 http://sikhsiyasat.net/2014/09/08/sher-e-punjab-radio-india-radio-and-punjab-radio-face-crtc-ban-in-b-c-canada/

 The issue (in the CRTC's view) is that all 3 stations are Canadian owned
 and have their entire offices and staff in Canada and transmit from the US
 to serve Canadian markets. The CRTC says that makes them subject to
 Canadian rules, etc.

 Chuck

  From: mwd...@webtv.net
  To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
  Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:56:35 -0700
  Subject: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada
 
  I was reading that the Punjabi stations in Vancouver BC has asked the
 CRTC to shut down the U.S. based Punjabi stations broadcasting from the WA
 into Canada. I presume they mean 1110 Oak Harbor, 1550 Ferndale and 1600
 Blaine WA. How can the CRTC stop a legally licensed U.S. broadcaster from
 the signal reaching Canada? Now, I figure they may be able to stop the
 stations from getting Canadian advertising, but I do not know the laws in
 Canada in that regard. I remember well the Mexican border blasters sending
 tons of signal into the U.S. No one stopped those stations. Some are still
 in English and broadcast to the U.S. CJRJ 1200 is calling the U.S. stations
 pirates, even though they are legally licensed stations on U.S. soil. Can
 the CRTC do anything? I do not see anything they can do, unless they have
 some control on the advertising from Vancouver. Any comments?
 
  73,
 
  Patrick
 
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Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread Jason Brose

On 2014-09-17 01:56, Patrick Martin wrote:

I was reading that the Punjabi stations in Vancouver BC has asked the CRTC to 
shut down the U.S. based Punjabi stations broadcasting from the WA into Canada. 
I presume they mean 1110 Oak Harbor, 1550 Ferndale and 1600 Blaine WA. How can 
the CRTC stop a legally licensed U.S. broadcaster from the signal reaching 
Canada? Now, I figure they may be able to stop the stations from getting 
Canadian advertising, but I do not know the laws in Canada in that regard. I 
remember well the Mexican border blasters sending tons of signal into the U.S. 
No one stopped those stations. Some are still in English and broadcast to the 
U.S. CJRJ 1200 is calling the U.S. stations pirates, even though they are 
legally licensed stations on U.S. soil. Can the CRTC do anything? I do not see 
anything they can do, unless they have some control on the advertising from 
Vancouver. Any comments?

73,

Patrick

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The CRTC could have an equivalent of the Brinkley Rule (where the FCC 
forbade US studios from feeding Mexican transmitters - though waivers 
are not too hard to get for it - they just wanted to prevent crooks like 
Dr. John R Goat Gland Brinkley from exploiting legal loopholes for his 
sham treatments (and increasing Nazi sympathies).   I've no clue if this 
is the case, though.


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Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread neilkaz
Todd we can certainly add more than a few more Canadians to the list. CKST and 
CFAC for starters as I don't think either has run night pattern for many years. 
CKMX has been off again on again when it comes to day pattern at night. Lately 
it has been bothered here in IL by KGFX running day rig at night! CKWX like 
CKST is way too easy to get here for listed night pattern.

CHRB was running day pattern for many years at night but as of a couple of 
years ago, they behave much of the time.

And there are more from time to time such as CFGO 1200.

73 KAZ

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sep 17, 2014 5:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

Then the CRTC needs to clean up its own backyard and stop the cheaters such
as CJGX, CKMX and CKLQ. Seriously what a joke.

Sincerely,
Todd Skaine
Woodbury, MN
Sony ICF 2010
Superradio 2
Grundig S350 M400
Toyota car radio
On Sep 17, 2014 2:43 AM, Chuck Hutton charle...@msn.com wrote:


 http://sikhsiyasat.net/2014/09/08/sher-e-punjab-radio-india-radio-and-punjab-radio-face-crtc-ban-in-b-c-canada/

 The issue (in the CRTC's view) is that all 3 stations are Canadian owned
 and have their entire offices and staff in Canada and transmit from the US
 to serve Canadian markets. The CRTC says that makes them subject to
 Canadian rules, etc.

 Chuck

  From: mwd...@webtv.net
  To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
  Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:56:35 -0700
  Subject: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada
 
  I was reading that the Punjabi stations in Vancouver BC has asked the
 CRTC to shut down the U.S. based Punjabi stations broadcasting from the WA
 into Canada. I presume they mean 1110 Oak Harbor, 1550 Ferndale and 1600
 Blaine WA. How can the CRTC stop a legally licensed U.S. broadcaster from
 the signal reaching Canada? Now, I figure they may be able to stop the
 stations from getting Canadian advertising, but I do not know the laws in
 Canada in that regard. I remember well the Mexican border blasters sending
 tons of signal into the U.S. No one stopped those stations. Some are still
 in English and broadcast to the U.S. CJRJ 1200 is calling the U.S. stations
 pirates, even though they are legally licensed stations on U.S. soil. Can
 the CRTC do anything? I do not see anything they can do, unless they have
 some control on the advertising from Vancouver. Any comments?
 
  73,
 
  Patrick
 
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  Seaside OR
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Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread Pete Taylor
I believe the issue was that the programming originated in Vancouver.

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On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:

 I was reading that the Punjabi stations in Vancouver BC has asked the CRTC to 
 shut down the U.S. based Punjabi stations broadcasting from the WA into 
 Canada. I presume they mean 1110 Oak Harbor, 1550 Ferndale and 1600 Blaine 
 WA. How can the CRTC stop a legally licensed U.S. broadcaster from the signal 
 reaching Canada? Now, I figure they may be able to stop the stations from 
 getting Canadian advertising, but I do not know the laws in Canada in that 
 regard. I remember well the Mexican border blasters sending tons of signal 
 into the U.S. No one stopped those stations. Some are still in English and 
 broadcast to the U.S. CJRJ 1200 is calling the U.S. stations pirates, even 
 though they are legally licensed stations on U.S. soil. Can the CRTC do 
 anything? I do not see anything they can do, unless they have some control on 
 the advertising from Vancouver. Any comments? 
 
 73,
 
 Patrick
 
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Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread Theo

Here's the actual notice from the CRTC:

http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2014/2014-426.htm

The situation does appear to be covered by Canada's Broadcasting Act 
so..  Personally, I don't know what all the fuss is about, although 
rumour is that Shushma Datt's CJRJ/1200 has not exactly been the money 
tree she expected.


As for non-compliance by Canadian stations of technical issues such as 
day/night patterns, I'd suspect that would come under Industry Canada 
not the Commish.


Someone mentioned CKST/1040: it would be strange for a major outfit like 
Bell Media not to be following The Rules; only a few years ago, they 
spent a bundle of money to re-locate (and combine) the facilities for 
both CKST/1040 and CFTE/1410 to a new site with seven towers.


Theo
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Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread neilkaz
OK so it was a few years ago when CKST and CTFE combined. It has been several 
years since they switched to night rig IMO. Perhaps there was an error made 
when they moved and broken hardware to switch was never fixed. 

Several years ago they went from never being heard here at my IL QTH to 
backgrounding WHO on nights when skip is good to the Pac NW.

I can tell that they didn't switch on nights when they'd be coming on legally 
using day pattern prior to Vancouver sunset switch time, when there'd be no 
reduction in power at or after switch time. .. ie they'd be bothering WHO all 
night. It is the same situation this month, although cx aren't yet good enough 
to allow presunset skip to the Pac NW. Note also that high lat. cx were better 
a couple years ago than they are this year and on really good nights in late 
Sept and late Oct, stuff like KOMO could be coming in here with WMVP phased 
down, as much as an hour prior to Seattle's sunset switch time.

73 KAZ Barrington IL  Perseus and two element Broadside DKAZ array aimed west

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From: Theo th...@telus.net
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To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

Here's the actual notice from the CRTC:

http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2014/2014-426.htm

The situation does appear to be covered by Canada's Broadcasting Act 
so..  Personally, I don't know what all the fuss is about, although 
rumour is that Shushma Datt's CJRJ/1200 has not exactly been the money 
tree she expected.

As for non-compliance by Canadian stations of technical issues such as 
day/night patterns, I'd suspect that would come under Industry Canada 
not the Commish.

Someone mentioned CKST/1040: it would be strange for a major outfit like 
Bell Media not to be following The Rules; only a few years ago, they 
spent a bundle of money to re-locate (and combine) the facilities for 
both CKST/1040 and CFTE/1410 to a new site with seven towers.

Theo
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Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread Patrick Martin
Chuck,

So that is it that the companies have everything in Canada except for the 
transmitting site itself. Now it makes more sense. In reality the stations in 
question are Canadian stations, but without a Canadian broadcasting license. No 
wonder they are calling the stations pirate stations.  Thanks.

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

 From: charle...@msn.com
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:42:40 +
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada
 
 http://sikhsiyasat.net/2014/09/08/sher-e-punjab-radio-india-radio-and-punjab-radio-face-crtc-ban-in-b-c-canada/
  
 The issue (in the CRTC's view) is that all 3 stations are Canadian owned and 
 have their entire offices and staff in Canada and transmit from the US to 
 serve Canadian markets. The CRTC says that makes them subject to Canadian 
 rules, etc.
  
 Chuck
  
  From: mwd...@webtv.net
  To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
  Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:56:35 -0700
  Subject: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada
  
  I was reading that the Punjabi stations in Vancouver BC has asked the CRTC 
  to shut down the U.S. based Punjabi stations broadcasting from the WA into 
  Canada. I presume they mean 1110 Oak Harbor, 1550 Ferndale and 1600 Blaine 
  WA. How can the CRTC stop a legally licensed U.S. broadcaster from the 
  signal reaching Canada? Now, I figure they may be able to stop the stations 
  from getting Canadian advertising, but I do not know the laws in Canada in 
  that regard. I remember well the Mexican border blasters sending tons of 
  signal into the U.S. No one stopped those stations. Some are still in 
  English and broadcast to the U.S. CJRJ 1200 is calling the U.S. stations 
  pirates, even though they are legally licensed stations on U.S. soil. Can 
  the CRTC do anything? I do not see anything they can do, unless they have 
  some control on the advertising from Vancouver. Any comments? 
  
  73,
  
  Patrick
  
  Patrick Martin
  Seaside OR
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Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread Patrick Martin
Jason,

The Mexican stations (XERB, XETRA, etc all broadcast English to a Southern 
California audience for years. Their studios were in LA and San Diego. I 
remember seeing both XERB and XEGM back in the 1970 in LA. Has the rules 
changed? Or maybe Canada is more strict than the U.S.?

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
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 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:44:23 -0500
 From: jbr...@kc.rr.com
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada
 
 On 2014-09-17 01:56, Patrick Martin wrote:
  I was reading that the Punjabi stations in Vancouver BC has asked the CRTC 
  to shut down the U.S. based Punjabi stations broadcasting from the WA into 
  Canada. I presume they mean 1110 Oak Harbor, 1550 Ferndale and 1600 Blaine 
  WA. How can the CRTC stop a legally licensed U.S. broadcaster from the 
  signal reaching Canada? Now, I figure they may be able to stop the stations 
  from getting Canadian advertising, but I do not know the laws in Canada in 
  that regard. I remember well the Mexican border blasters sending tons of 
  signal into the U.S. No one stopped those stations. Some are still in 
  English and broadcast to the U.S. CJRJ 1200 is calling the U.S. stations 
  pirates, even though they are legally licensed stations on U.S. soil. Can 
  the CRTC do anything? I do not see anything they can do, unless they have 
  some control on the advertising from Vancouver. Any comments?
 
  73,
 
  Patrick
 
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 The CRTC could have an equivalent of the Brinkley Rule (where the FCC 
 forbade US studios from feeding Mexican transmitters - though waivers 
 are not too hard to get for it - they just wanted to prevent crooks like 
 Dr. John R Goat Gland Brinkley from exploiting legal loopholes for his 
 sham treatments (and increasing Nazi sympathies).   I've no clue if this 
 is the case, though.
 
 Jason Brose
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Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread Patrick Martin
Pete,

That is true, the programming originates from Vancouver. But didn't the Mexican 
stations with transmitter sites in Mexico originate their programming from LA? 
Are the Canadian rules different, than in the U.S.?

Patrick Martin
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 From: p...@comcast.net
 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:23:12 -0700
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada
 
 I believe the issue was that the programming originated in Vancouver.
 
 Pete Taylor
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 On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:
 
  I was reading that the Punjabi stations in Vancouver BC has asked the CRTC 
  to shut down the U.S. based Punjabi stations broadcasting from the WA into 
  Canada. I presume they mean 1110 Oak Harbor, 1550 Ferndale and 1600 Blaine 
  WA. How can the CRTC stop a legally licensed U.S. broadcaster from the 
  signal reaching Canada? Now, I figure they may be able to stop the stations 
  from getting Canadian advertising, but I do not know the laws in Canada in 
  that regard. I remember well the Mexican border blasters sending tons of 
  signal into the U.S. No one stopped those stations. Some are still in 
  English and broadcast to the U.S. CJRJ 1200 is calling the U.S. stations 
  pirates, even though they are legally licensed stations on U.S. soil. Can 
  the CRTC do anything? I do not see anything they can do, unless they have 
  some control on the advertising from Vancouver. Any comments? 
  
  73,
  
  Patrick
  
  Patrick Martin
  Seaside OR
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Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada

2014-09-17 Thread Patrick Martin
Theo,

This is what I wondered, although I do not know the rules in Canada in 
broadcasting from Canada to a U.S. tx site.  But that went on for decades from 
Mexico to the U.S.
   The  Canadian station I know of that does not drop power seems to be 800 
Penticton. I remember hearing them with a booming signal into Alaska back in 
the 60s. I doubt they were on 500w, even then. CFPR 860 is listed at 1 KW 
nights, but according to their CE I talked to years ago, they are allowed a 
full 10 KW ND 24/7. He said it had been that way since he was at CFPR and I got 
the idea, he had been there for a long time. This was back in the 1980's. 

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:39:55 -0700
 From: th...@telus.net
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] U.S. Punjabi stations broadcasting into Canada
 
 Here's the actual notice from the CRTC:
 
 http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2014/2014-426.htm
 
 The situation does appear to be covered by Canada's Broadcasting Act 
 so..  Personally, I don't know what all the fuss is about, although 
 rumour is that Shushma Datt's CJRJ/1200 has not exactly been the money 
 tree she expected.
 
 As for non-compliance by Canadian stations of technical issues such as 
 day/night patterns, I'd suspect that would come under Industry Canada 
 not the Commish.
 
 Someone mentioned CKST/1040: it would be strange for a major outfit like 
 Bell Media not to be following The Rules; only a few years ago, they 
 spent a bundle of money to re-locate (and combine) the facilities for 
 both CKST/1040 and CFTE/1410 to a new site with seven towers.
 
 Theo
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