Re: [isabelle-dev] Spike in isatest performance charts

2010-09-04 Thread Jasmin Christian Blanchette
 Does it mean it's from that changeset?
 
 changeset:   39036:dff91b90d74c
 user:blanchet
 date:Thu Sep 02 11:29:02 2010 +0200
 files:   src/HOL/HOL.thy src/HOL/Hilbert_Choice.thy src/HOL/SAT.thy 
 src/HOL/Sledgehammer.thy src/HOL/Tools/Sledgehammer/clausifier.ML
 description:
 use definitional CNFs in Metis rather than plain CNF, following a suggestion 
 by Joe Hurd;
 this *really* speeds up things -- HOL now builds 12% faster on my machine
 
 
 I know this temptation to announce things on the log only too well. 
 Empirically, the reality is much harder.
 
 When composing log messages it is important do this from the perspective of 
 someone who needs to figure out problems many months/years later, and needs 
 to understand what was truely happening at some point.  (Not so much what the 
 author thought he was doing, or when the author went on vacation etc.)  
 Changelogs are neither NEWS nor personal Blog entries.

And public mailing lists are not the best place to criticize your colleagues' 
writing style.

Jasmin

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Re: [isabelle-dev] Spike in isatest performance charts

2010-09-04 Thread Makarius

On Sat, 4 Sep 2010, Jasmin Christian Blanchette wrote:

When composing log messages it is important do this from the 
perspective of someone who needs to figure out problems many 
months/years later, and needs to understand what was truely happening 
at some point.


And public mailing lists are not the best place to criticize your 
colleagues' writing style.


The above is really the one main purpose of the whole history.  You can 
read it as criticism if you want, but it does not change the fact.


It is very important to report faithfully what has been done, and what is 
the current state of information.  No promises, not future plans here, no 
excuses about failed attempts -- this happens routinely even to myself.


Extra bonus points are for formal references backwards using changeset ids 
-- some Mercurial browsing tools turn them into hyperlinks.



Makarius
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Re: [isabelle-dev] Recent instabilities of HOL-Decision_Procs

2010-09-04 Thread Makarius

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Johannes Hölzl wrote:


Am Mittwoch, den 01.09.2010, 15:40 +0200 schrieb Makarius:

For some week or so there are sparadic failures of HOL-Decision_Procs like
this:

[..]

The special things about the approximation method are:

* uses reflection (i.e. the generated code as an oracle)
* probably the only user of large ML-integers and division
* long running proofs

Is it possible to get a more detailed exception trace?


There is some chance that it is due to large ML integers in the parallel 
setting -- this is a pre-5.4 version of Poly/ML where arbitrary precision 
arithmetic has been changed significantly.  (It can optionally use GNU MP, 
although I did not compile it into that particular binary, IIRC.)


The failure has now repeatly occured here:

*** Theory loader: undefined theory entry for Approximation_Ex
*** Failed to finish proof
*** At command by (line 42 of 
/mnt/nfsbroy/home/isatest/isadist/Isabelle_04-Sep-2010/src/HOL/Decision_Procs/ex/Approximation_Ex.thy)


i.e. this proof:

lemma \bar exp 1.626 - 5.08346273 \bar  (inverse 10 ^ 10 :: real)
  by (approximation 80)


Is there a way to report the internal results produced here?  Then we can 
show David Matthews some more concrete problem report than Failed to 
finish proof.



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Re: [isabelle-dev] Spike in isatest performance charts

2010-09-04 Thread Tjark Weber
On Fri, 2010-09-03 at 15:06 +0200, Makarius wrote:
 When composing log messages it is important do this from the perspective 
 of someone who needs to figure out problems many months/years later, and 
 needs to understand what was truely happening at some point.

tuned

Regards,
Tjark

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