Re: [IslamCity] Muslim women step into whole new aquatic world
Assalamu alaikum,
I never said that the awrah of a woman is from the naval to the knee.
I said that the awrah of a woman infront of other women is from the awrah to the knee, but it is not the acceptable way of dressing. This awrah is such because of the excuse of breastfeeding that could be a hardship for a woman.
I supported the view with a hadith, in which the sheikh mentions the misconceptions that people make from this hadith.
The hadith below clearly states that the awrah of women infront of each other is from the naval to the knee. He did not say it is sufficient for her to cover from naval to the knee. He meant that a woman is not allowed to look at the awrah of another woman which is from the naval to the knee.
As for the awrah of a woman in public, then I am of the opnion that all the woman is awrah including her face, hands and feet.
This is because the hadith, "The woman is awrah" did not exclude anything from that definition.
I cover from head to toe. Infront of other women, I wear modest clothes. But with breastfeeding [in a woman's gathering], I know women who try very hard to cover up, but many many times, as with all women I know the child themselves pull at the garments, and so forth.
Whatever is seen thereof is not haram, since there is a clear concession on that.
With regards to the doubts that some women have, concerning the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), Let no woman look at the awrah of another woman and let no man look at the awrah of another man; the awrah of a woman in front of another woman is from the navel to the knee, which they interpret as indicating that women may wear short clothes the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not say that it is sufficient for womens clothing to cover the area from the navel to the knee, so this cannot be used as evidence. What he did say was
that no woman should look at the awrah of another woman, so he forbade them to look, because the awrah of the woman who is wearing loose clothing may sometimes be exposed when answering the call of nature or for some other reason, so the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade women to look at one anothers awrahs.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: [IslamCity] Muslim women step into whole new aquatic world
In a message dated 4/21/2005 6:59:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"AWRAH
OF WOMEN IS FROM NAVAL TO THE KNEE"
It is the awrah of men not of women. I don't know from where Sister
Fatima got this information which is totally wrong and misleading. The
awrah of a woman is from head to toe except face and hand from wrist.
For Breast feeding,a woman has to cover herself properly and not
feeding in public. She should have given the source from where
she got this information
Siddiqi
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(Holy Quran-16:125)
{And who is better in speech than he who [says: My Lord is Allah (believes in His Oneness), and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: I am one of the Muslims.} (Holy Quran-41:33)
The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: By Allah, if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of camels. [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim]
The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also said, Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being lessened at all.
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Re: Re: [IslamCity] Muslim women step into whole new aquatic world
Assalamu alaikum,
Brother, I appreciate the question, but one reminder. I am a Muslim and the greeting of the Muslim is Assalamu alaikum, not Hello.
If I upset you over something, then I apologize, but kindly use the Islamic greeting when addressing me.
As for your question, YES, I AM SURE of what I said about the AWRAH OF WOMEN IS FROM NAVAL TO THE KNEE. I will support this with proof. Now, the known fact is that a woman'sappropriate dress infront of other women is her whole body except her head, hands and feet.
But if a woman sees the calf of a woman (below the knee), then that is not considered Haram because it is still within the boundary of what is permissible. And if a woman is breastfeeding in the presence of other women, then she is not doing something haram because the breast in this case does not fall into the haram category. But it is not permissible for women to appear topless, or in two piece bathing suits infront of each other. That is contrary to the modesty that a Muslim woman should have. The fact that what is above the naval was made permissible was due to need for women to breastfeed
Here are various fatwas I found on the subject from http://www.islam-qa.com
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=engds=qalv=browseQR=23329dgn=4
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=engds=qalv=browseQR=43480dgn=4
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=engds=qalv=browseQR=14302dgn=4
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=engds=qalv=browseQR=34745dgn=4
This fatwa covers the topic I was talking about, and I will cut and paste that paragraph as well as the whole question:
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=engds=qalv=browseQR=12371dgn=4
With regards to the doubts that some women have, concerning the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), Let no woman look at the awrah of another woman and let no man look at the awrah of another man; the awrah of a woman in front of another woman is from the navel to the knee, which they interpret as indicating that women may wear short clothes the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not say that it is sufficient for womens clothing to cover the area from the navel to the knee, so this cannot be used as evidence. What he did say was
that no woman should look at the awrah of another woman, so he forbade them to look, because the awrah of the woman who is wearing loose clothing may sometimes be exposed when answering the call of nature or for some other reason, so the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade women to look at one anothers awrahs.
So brother, I hope this has clarified the matter for you better.
Assalamu alaikum
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(Holy Quran-16:125)
{And who is better in speech than he who [says: My Lord is Allah (believes in His Oneness), and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: I am one of the Muslims.} (Holy Quran-41:33)
The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: By Allah, if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of camels. [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim]
The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also said, Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being lessened at all.
[Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah]
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Re: [IslamCity] Muslim women step into whole new aquatic world
Some wear swimsuits while others feel more comfortable in long shorts and a T-shirt. YWCA = young women's christian association. ? Correct ---Original Message--- From: islamcity@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:45:01 PM To: AllahAloneGroup; dahuk; hadeeth_group; ihsaan; IM; islam4all; Islam_Muslims; islamic_ways; islamic_wisdom; islamicity; my; ShababAlMehdi Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [IslamCity] Muslim women step into whole new aquatic world Muslim women step into whole new aquatic world 04-10-05 22:54 JENNA JOHNSON Faces framed with light-colored scarves peer through the glass panes. The door is locked, as the YWCA is closed Sundays, but Zainab Al-Baaj comes running to pop it open for the women and young girls waiting outside. They giggle, saying hello to one another and switching between speaking Arabic and English as quickly as they walk through the lobby. The lobby is where this group of Muslim women, ranging from toddlers to age 60, transitions from the world outside the YWCA to the world offered to them on the second floor at the swimming pool. In the lobby, long colored scarves, or hijab, are draped over their heads and their bodies are covered with loose, unfitted clothing. Their Islamic faith and culture instructs them to be modest in their dress, showing as little skin as possible when in public or in the presence of men. At the pool, away from windows, cameras a nd men, they can strip off their layers of clothing, put on colorful swimsuits and enjoy the warm pool water free of cost for two hours. They talk about their lives, families and the challenges they face everyday. Once I enter the YWCA door, its my time, said Al-Baaj, a native of Iraq. Its not my husbands time or my childrens time. Its my time. Thats why we cant wait until its Sunday we just cant wait. When Al-Baaj first organized swimming sessions last September with the assistance of the YWCA staff and the funding of a community endowment, she had never gone swimming before. Then, on her first Sunday, she was so excited to get into the water that she kicked off her shoes, rolled up her pants and ran into the pool, screaming with excitement. In those early weeks she was too scared to leave the security of the shallow end and the safety of holding the wall. But now, the young mother of three is able to take an elegant dive into the deep e nd and swim the length of the YWCA pool. Those first few weeks, I was really afraid of the water, she said. But the instructor was right there beside me. Now, eight months later, the program still is one of the only of its kind in the country, although Al-Baaj said she has talked with women in Tennessee and Michigan who are interested in starting up their own lessons. The scarcity of pools friendly to Muslim women is the main reason Ohood Hakim attends the swim sessions. Hakim, a nutrition and health sciences graduate student at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, said she hadnt been swimming since she moved from Saudi Arabia, where there are many private swim clubs, seven years ago. Since the UNL Campus Recreation Center doesnt offer accommodations for Muslim women, Hakim said she has to search for places to exercise on her own. We dont really have a place that understands our religion and culture, she said. Hakim works out at Curves, a female-only gym in Lincoln, and on Sundays between 1 and 3 p.m. she swims and does water aerobics with 40 to 60 other Muslim women at YWCA. In May, Hakim will be returning to Saudi Arabia with her husband of seven years and her two sons, as her education will be completed and her visa will be up. She will miss the swimming group, which helped her conquer her fear of water common among Muslim women because of inexperience with swimming and gave her a new sense of confidence. I understand myself more, she said. I can do things I never thought I could learn to do. Hakim said she would also miss the diverse group of women she met. Although the women all speak Arabic languages, the group is a hodgepodge of different cultures.Some wear swimsuits while others feel more comfortable in long shorts and a T-shirt. The women speak seven dialects of Arabic, and many dont know English. Most attend worship services at one of Lincol ns two mosques every Saturday, but dont always agree on matters of faith. The women come from 12 different countries, including Morocco, Jordan, Palestine,
