[GitHub] flink issue #1690: FLINK-3398: Allow for opting-out from Kafka offset auto-c...

2016-07-29 Thread StephanEwen
Github user StephanEwen commented on the issue:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/1690
  
I left a few thoughts in the corresponding JIRA issue: 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3398


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[GitHub] flink issue #1690: FLINK-3398: Allow for opting-out from Kafka offset auto-c...

2016-07-28 Thread tzulitai
Github user tzulitai commented on the issue:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/1690
  
@shikhar Ok, sure no problem :)


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[GitHub] flink issue #1690: FLINK-3398: Allow for opting-out from Kafka offset auto-c...

2016-07-28 Thread shikhar
Github user shikhar commented on the issue:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/1690
  
@tzulitai sorry I meant I won't be able to get to this change at all, so 
anyone please feel free to take this up! 


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[GitHub] flink issue #1690: FLINK-3398: Allow for opting-out from Kafka offset auto-c...

2016-07-28 Thread tzulitai
Github user tzulitai commented on the issue:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/1690
  
@shikhar Sure, please feel free to tag me for a review once you are done. I 
think you'll need to manually close this PR yourself, you can close it when the 
new PR is opened. Another option is to rebase this PR on the current master, 
and after you finish shaping up again, force push to this same PR branch.

Also, since this will be affecting how users interact with the Kafka 
consumer, let's wait until we get consensus from @StephanEwen and @rmetzger on 
the proposed change before you get on to working on it ;)


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[GitHub] flink issue #1690: FLINK-3398: Allow for opting-out from Kafka offset auto-c...

2016-07-28 Thread shikhar
Github user shikhar commented on the issue:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/1690
  
Thanks @tzulitai! I like your proposal, I'm afraid I won't be able to get 
around to shaping up this PR though so might be best to start a new one (please 
feel free to close).


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[GitHub] flink issue #1690: FLINK-3398: Allow for opting-out from Kafka offset auto-c...

2016-07-28 Thread tzulitai
Github user tzulitai commented on the issue:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/1690
  
What's the status of this PR? I think it is a good functionality to add. 
@shikhar if you'd like to continue working on this, I'm happy to help shepherd 
this PR for merging.

Some of my input from the previous discussions on the interpretation of 
"auto.commit.enable":
I agree with @rmetzger that stretching the definition of this config to "on 
checkpoint or periodically" isn't a good idea. Committing the offsets back to 
Kafka on 'notifyCheckpointComplete()' is a Flink-specific behaviour. I think 
mixing Flink-specific behaviour within Kafka original configs can be confusing 
for frequent Kafka users and difficult to maintain in the long run.

Perhaps we can have something like "flink.commit-on-checkpoint". What I 
have in mind:
> // commit to ZK / broker only on Flink's checkpoint.
> flink.commit-on-checkpoint=true auto.commit.enable=*
>
> // periodically commits to ZK / broker
> flink.commit-on-checkpoint=false auto.commit.enable=true
>
> // no commit to ZK / broker at all
> flink.commit-on-checkpoint=false auto.commit.enable=false

The first option will be valid only when checkpointing is enabled also. 
Otherwise, whether or not checkpointing is enabled does not effect the above 
settings.

I think this better matches the idea that "the Kafka offset store is only 
used for exposure of progress to the outside world, and not for recovery / 
manipulation of how Flink reads from Kafka".


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