[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-21 Thread ASF GitHub Bot (JIRA)

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ASF GitHub Bot commented on FLINK-8668:
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Github user aljoscha commented on a diff in the pull request:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5531#discussion_r169606158
  
--- Diff: docs/ops/deployment/hadoop.md ---
@@ -0,0 +1,47 @@
+---
+title:  "Hadoop Integration"
+nav-title: Hadoop Integration
+nav-parent_id: deployment
+nav-pos: 8
+---
+
+
+* This will be replaced by the TOC
+{:toc}
+
+## Configuring Flink with Hadoop Classpaths
+
+Flink will use the environment variable `HADOOP_CLASSPATH` to augment the
+classpath that is used when starting Flink components such as the Client,
+JobManager, or TaskManager. Most Hadoop distributions and cloud 
environments
+will not set this variable by default so if the Hadoop classpath should be
+picked up by Flink the environment variable must be exported on all 
machines
+that are running Flink components.
+
+When running on YARN, this is usually not a problem because the components
+running inside YARN will be started with the Hadoop classpaths, but it can
+happen that the Hadoop dependencies must be in the classpath when 
submitting a
+job to YARN. For this, it's usually enough to do a
+
+```
+export HADOOP_CLASSPATH=`hadoop classpath`
--- End diff --

it's the `hadoop` binary with `classpath` as argument


> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-21 Thread ASF GitHub Bot (JIRA)

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ASF GitHub Bot commented on FLINK-8668:
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Github user aljoscha closed the pull request at:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5531


> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-21 Thread ASF GitHub Bot (JIRA)

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ASF GitHub Bot commented on FLINK-8668:
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Github user zentol commented on a diff in the pull request:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5531#discussion_r169600042
  
--- Diff: docs/ops/deployment/hadoop.md ---
@@ -0,0 +1,47 @@
+---
+title:  "Hadoop Integration"
+nav-title: Hadoop Integration
+nav-parent_id: deployment
+nav-pos: 8
+---
+
+
+* This will be replaced by the TOC
+{:toc}
+
+## Configuring Flink with Hadoop Classpaths
+
+Flink will use the environment variable `HADOOP_CLASSPATH` to augment the
+classpath that is used when starting Flink components such as the Client,
+JobManager, or TaskManager. Most Hadoop distributions and cloud 
environments
+will not set this variable by default so if the Hadoop classpath should be
+picked up by Flink the environment variable must be exported on all 
machines
+that are running Flink components.
+
+When running on YARN, this is usually not a problem because the components
+running inside YARN will be started with the Hadoop classpaths, but it can
+happen that the Hadoop dependencies must be in the classpath when 
submitting a
+job to YARN. For this, it's usually enough to do a
+
+```
+export HADOOP_CLASSPATH=`hadoop classpath`
--- End diff --

add `<` `>`? 


> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-20 Thread ASF GitHub Bot (JIRA)

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ASF GitHub Bot commented on FLINK-8668:
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Github user aljoscha commented on the issue:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5531
  
@zentol Yes, I struggled with where exactly to put this. I think I will 
just create a "Hadoop" page under "Clusters" that has only this 
section for now. WDYT?


> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
> HADOOP_CLASSPATH=...}}.



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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-20 Thread ASF GitHub Bot (JIRA)

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ASF GitHub Bot commented on FLINK-8668:
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Github user aljoscha commented on a diff in the pull request:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5531#discussion_r169287038
  
--- Diff: docs/ops/config.md ---
@@ -82,6 +82,26 @@ prefix that is checked against the fully qualified class 
name. By default, this
 If you want to change this setting you have to make sure to also include 
the default patterns in
 your list of patterns if you want to keep that default behaviour.
 
+## Configuring Flink with Hadoop Classpaths
+
+Flink will use the environment variable `HADOOP_CLASSPATH` to augment the
+classpath that is used when starting Flink components such as the Client,
+JobManager, or TaskManager. Most Hadoop distributions and cloud 
environments
+will not set this variable by default so if the Hadoop classpath should be
+picked up by Flink the environment variable should be exported on all 
machines
+that are running Flink components.
+
+When running on YARN, this is usually not a problem because the components
+running inside YARN will be started with the Hadoop classpaths anyways but 
it
--- End diff --

fixing


> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
> HADOOP_CLASSPATH=...}}.



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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-20 Thread ASF GitHub Bot (JIRA)

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ASF GitHub Bot commented on FLINK-8668:
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Github user aljoscha commented on a diff in the pull request:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5531#discussion_r169287058
  
--- Diff: docs/ops/config.md ---
@@ -82,6 +82,26 @@ prefix that is checked against the fully qualified class 
name. By default, this
 If you want to change this setting you have to make sure to also include 
the default patterns in
 your list of patterns if you want to keep that default behaviour.
 
+## Configuring Flink with Hadoop Classpaths
+
+Flink will use the environment variable `HADOOP_CLASSPATH` to augment the
+classpath that is used when starting Flink components such as the Client,
+JobManager, or TaskManager. Most Hadoop distributions and cloud 
environments
+will not set this variable by default so if the Hadoop classpath should be
+picked up by Flink the environment variable should be exported on all 
machines
--- End diff --

fixing


> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
> HADOOP_CLASSPATH=...}}.



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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-20 Thread ASF GitHub Bot (JIRA)

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ASF GitHub Bot commented on FLINK-8668:
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Github user zentol commented on the issue:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5531
  
We may instead want to add a whole new page under "Clusters" for 
hadoop related things.


> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
> HADOOP_CLASSPATH=...}}.



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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

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ASF GitHub Bot commented on FLINK-8668:
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Github user zentol commented on a diff in the pull request:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5531#discussion_r169269041
  
--- Diff: docs/ops/config.md ---
@@ -82,6 +82,26 @@ prefix that is checked against the fully qualified class 
name. By default, this
 If you want to change this setting you have to make sure to also include 
the default patterns in
 your list of patterns if you want to keep that default behaviour.
 
+## Configuring Flink with Hadoop Classpaths
+
+Flink will use the environment variable `HADOOP_CLASSPATH` to augment the
+classpath that is used when starting Flink components such as the Client,
+JobManager, or TaskManager. Most Hadoop distributions and cloud 
environments
+will not set this variable by default so if the Hadoop classpath should be
+picked up by Flink the environment variable should be exported on all 
machines
--- End diff --

replace "should" with "must"?


> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
> HADOOP_CLASSPATH=...}}.



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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-20 Thread ASF GitHub Bot (JIRA)

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ASF GitHub Bot commented on FLINK-8668:
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Github user zentol commented on a diff in the pull request:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5531#discussion_r169268952
  
--- Diff: docs/ops/config.md ---
@@ -82,6 +82,26 @@ prefix that is checked against the fully qualified class 
name. By default, this
 If you want to change this setting you have to make sure to also include 
the default patterns in
 your list of patterns if you want to keep that default behaviour.
 
+## Configuring Flink with Hadoop Classpaths
+
+Flink will use the environment variable `HADOOP_CLASSPATH` to augment the
+classpath that is used when starting Flink components such as the Client,
+JobManager, or TaskManager. Most Hadoop distributions and cloud 
environments
+will not set this variable by default so if the Hadoop classpath should be
+picked up by Flink the environment variable should be exported on all 
machines
+that are running Flink components.
+
+When running on YARN, this is usually not a problem because the components
+running inside YARN will be started with the Hadoop classpaths anyways but 
it
--- End diff --

remove `anyways` and replace it with a comma.


> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
> HADOOP_CLASSPATH=...}}.



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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-20 Thread ASF GitHub Bot (JIRA)

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ASF GitHub Bot commented on FLINK-8668:
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GitHub user aljoscha opened a pull request:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5531

[FLINK-8668] Document how to set HADOOP_CLASSPATH for Flink

R: @zentol @StephanEwen 

You can merge this pull request into a Git repository by running:

$ git pull https://github.com/aljoscha/flink jira-8668-doc-hadoop-classpath

Alternatively you can review and apply these changes as the patch at:

https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5531.patch

To close this pull request, make a commit to your master/trunk branch
with (at least) the following in the commit message:

This closes #5531


commit 10f6a53bcd85da126746a8cdeec97cce31c013f0
Author: Aljoscha Krettek 
Date:   2018-02-20T09:51:27Z

[FLINK-8668] Document how to set HADOOP_CLASSPATH for Flink




> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-19 Thread Aljoscha Krettek (JIRA)

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Aljoscha Krettek commented on FLINK-8668:
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[~StephanEwen] The plan was to include it in the release notes because the 
feature was previously undocumented and there's no obvious place to put this. 
There is no central documentation about how Flink works with Hadoop so I 
thought I can put a small section in the [config 
doc|https://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-master/ops/config.html]. 
Basically just: Make sure you set {{HADOOP_CLASSPATH}} on your machines if you 
want Flink to pick up your Hadoop classpath.

Btw, I had this PR open: https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/4920 But by now I 
think the only sane approach is to require users to ensure {{HADOOP_CLASSPATH}} 
is set. A configuration script cannot do that for you. For example in cases 
where you have a standalone cluster setup the script could give the appearance 
of doing configuration but you still have to manually do steps to move that 
configuration to all machines, which people would probably forget.

> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-19 Thread Stephan Ewen (JIRA)

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Stephan Ewen commented on FLINK-8668:
-

This change now simply removes prior present functionality, without adding and 
reference, docs, or replacement.

I think that will throw users off...

> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
> Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
> HADOOP_CLASSPATH=...}}.



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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-16 Thread Stephan Ewen (JIRA)

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Stephan Ewen commented on FLINK-8668:
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Could you also apply this to the HBase configuration, which is magically 
happening?

> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-16 Thread Stephan Ewen (JIRA)

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Stephan Ewen commented on FLINK-8668:
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I like this, it removes some hard to understand magic.

It may be useful to add a directory {{setup}} with scripts like 
{{configureForHadoop.sh}} that does what the removed magic does. That way users 
still get help during the setup, without hard to understand things happening 
automagically.

> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
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[jira] [Commented] (FLINK-8668) Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh

2018-02-16 Thread Aljoscha Krettek (JIRA)

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Aljoscha Krettek commented on FLINK-8668:
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See also comments on FLINK-7477

> Remove "hadoop classpath" from config.sh
> 
>
> Key: FLINK-8668
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-8668
> Project: Flink
>  Issue Type: New Feature
>Reporter: Aljoscha Krettek
>Assignee: Aljoscha Krettek
>Priority: Major
>
> Automatically adding this when available can lead to dependency problems for 
> some users and there is no way of turning of this "feature". It was added to 
> make using Flink on AWS/EMR and GCE a bit easier but I think it's causing 
> more harm than good.
> If users want to to augment the classpath they can always {{export 
> HADOOP_CLASSPATH=...}}.



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