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Re: [off-topic] stop bashing!
Actually i pay attention quite well, and observe quite well. The example(s) that i have presented to u dont seem to impress u at all. I am very sorry for u. Can I presume that u havent looked at the diffs provided by the java-linux-porting folks. I guess u'd be perplexed with the modest '.java' changes, of which u say could not happen. Before u stated that changing the core api was prohibited, now u state all of '.java' is encompassed in the edict. oh well, we all cant be consistent in our convictions. I am not a company. Nor a commercial entity. I just port the java linux JDK on the Digital Alpha computers. Since u are unable to state what a reasonable fee would be to provide the Alpha linux community with a fairly complete and working JDK, I am also unable to do so. Since Non-commercial licensing for JDK1.2 is curerntly not available, The alpha-linux port for JDK1.2 will cease after my non-commercial license expires. I am also sorry u dont care enough for the other linux communities. I'm sorry u dont understant these porting issues. A 64 bit address just cant (be returned and ) fit into a 32bit java int. gat Sorry about my improper english. i guess that sorta explains why u are unable to comprehend my socratic quiries. BTW, there is really no need to read the community license. I do not forsee myself paying for the JCK, nor do I forsee myself paying for a distribution license Just to be a good linux citizen. Maybe, eventually, u'd realize that Sun's support of the (entire) linux community is at best a form of propaganda, at worst a form of verbal placation. Jeff Galyan wrote: > First off, this business of replacing "you" with "u" is really annoying. > Please use proper English in your posts. > > Secondly, you do NOT have to change the .java files, and such changing > is *strictly prohibited* by Sun in both the commercial and community > source licenses. You are simply *never* to modify the .java files. > Period. > > How you represent an int data type internally to the JVM is your > business. That's platform-dependent code which you are allowed to modify > - NOT .java code. You are ONLY permitted to modify C/C++ source files in > porting Java to other platforms. PERIOD. So, if you want to be able to > store a 64-bit value in a 32-bit int (why you wouldn't use a double or a > long to do that is beyond me, since those data types already have the > capacity for it on all platforms), you would modify the C or C++ header > file that defines the types on your system, so that the internal storage > of ints became 64-bits. You DO NOT do it in the .java source files for > the core Java libraries, which your license specifically prohibits > modifying in ANY way. > > As far as fees go, why are you so concerned about whether Sun charges > your company a fee to distribute your port of Java? How else do you > expect Sun to be able to have any control over cross-platform > compatibility otherwise? You've already said that you modify the sources > to the core Java libraries for your own amusement, so why are you so > insistent that Sun somehow "owes" you a free license to distribute > something that may not even pass the JCK? > > You need to re-read the SCSL again and again and again, as many times as > it takes for you to finally actually understand what it says. Then, if > you still think that Sun owes you a free license to distribute, you can > contact Sun. I'm tired of trying to explain this to you; you're not > paying attention to any of it. > > Uncle George wrote: > > > > Jeff Galyan wrote: > > > > > Actually, you don't need to modify the .java files, and in fact, modifying the >.java files is strictly prohibited in the license (as such modifications could >potentially be misconstrued by the licensee as permission to change the apis). The >license does permit personal use of your own port. If you are a company doing the >port for your company's use, rather than you as an individual porting for your own >personal use, then you are correct in your interpretation of the license. You would >be required to pass the JCK and pay a license fee, etc. As an individual, you would >not have to do this unless you intended to release your port over the Internet, on >CDROM, or otherwise "distribute" it. > > > > Actually u do have to change the '.java' files ( simply for practicable convience >). Having extensive experience in porting sun's JDK, I find it rather difficult to >store 64bits into a 32bit java int. Maybe u can review the java-linux-porting diffs >of their 1.2 port. I'd like to know, for example, how the solaris printer 'queue' >switches was changed to be compatable with linux printer 'queue' commands. > > There are many ways in which u can program in order to not change the '.java' >files. There are also many ways u can program so u dont have to change the >'.c'/'c++'/'.s' files. To an extreme, u dont even have to do a port, just build an >i86 emulator, or a s
Re: VisualAge for Java for Linux
Uncle George: This implementation is not pure java , however I'm not sure if there is any reason why it can't run on an Linux Linux port, short of a recompile. Cheers Chris Uncle George wrote: > It is Pure java, which will run anywhere ? > > Or is it just for linux/intel :-/ > gat > > Alex Rice wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:57:39 -0400, > > "Jauvane Cavalcante de Oliveira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > Jauvane> http://www7.software.ibm.com/vadreg.nsf/GARegistration?OpenForm > > Jauvane> free of charge. The download page is > > Jauvane> http://www.software.ibm.com/ad/vadd > > > > Jauvane> Let us let them know how big the Linux-Java community is :-) > > Jauvane> (As if they didn't know it already). > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] begin:vcard n:Hinds;Christopher x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Heuristic Systems, Inc.;R & D adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Chief Engineer / President x-mozilla-cpt:;7408 fn:Christopher Hinds end:vcard
Re: VisualAge for Java for Linux
Uncle George: This implementation is not pure java , however I'm not sure if there is any reason why it can't run on an Linux Alpha port, short of a recompile. Cheers Chris Uncle George wrote: > It is Pure java, which will run anywhere ? > > Or is it just for linux/intel :-/ > gat > > Alex Rice wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:57:39 -0400, > > "Jauvane Cavalcante de Oliveira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > Jauvane> http://www7.software.ibm.com/vadreg.nsf/GARegistration?OpenForm > > Jauvane> free of charge. The download page is > > Jauvane> http://www.software.ibm.com/ad/vadd > > > > Jauvane> Let us let them know how big the Linux-Java community is :-) > > Jauvane> (As if they didn't know it already). > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] begin:vcard n:Hinds;Christopher x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Heuristic Systems, Inc.;R & D adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Chief Engineer / President x-mozilla-cpt:;7408 fn:Christopher Hinds end:vcard
Re: VisualAge for Java for Linux
On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 05:29:51 -0400, Uncle George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Uncle> It is Pure java, which will run anywhere ? Uncle> Or is it just for linux/intel :-/ VisualAge for Java? It's a linux/x86 binary. It was probably developed with IBM's VisualAge for Smalltalk, strangely enough. Alex Rice|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|http://www.swcp.com/~alrice Current Location: N. Rio Grande Bioregion, Southwestern USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
netscape in Linux 6.0 crashes (Java)
I guess there might be a "glibc"-related problem here. This newbie would sure appreciate a straightforward technique for getting Netscape to run Java in Linux 6.0. I've read that FAQ about glibc and using that command for determining which version I'm running, but isn't there something clear and straightforward about this, like: "Linux 6.0 Bug-fix: do such-and-such to upgrade or patch Communicator to enable it to run Java" ? Any feedback on this would be much appreciated. Thanks, Larry LeFever Newbie -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netscape in Linux 6.0 crashes (Java)
In my opinion the JVM in Netscape for Linux has always been buggy. We develop software for internet kiosks running Linux and our biggest problem with Netscape is crashes with Java and animated gifs (especially large ones). We are using Redhat 5.1 and actually have found the Caldera distribution of Netscape to be the most stable! We are using Netscape 4.06C (Caldera's export). Andy Larry LeFever wrote: > I guess there might be a "glibc"-related problem here. > > This newbie would sure appreciate a straightforward technique for > getting Netscape to run Java in Linux 6.0. > > I've read that FAQ about glibc and using that command for determining > which version I'm running, but isn't there something clear and > straightforward about this, like: "Linux 6.0 Bug-fix: do such-and-such > to upgrade or patch Communicator to enable it to run Java" ? > > Any feedback on this would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Larry LeFever > Newbie > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
