Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne
Glenn Holmer wrote: Gerald Bauer wrote: Tom writes: Sun invariably says that they can't think of what problems open source Java would solve that aren't already solved. Of course that's ridiculous. Why? It is pretty hard for Linux vendors to ship a working JRE on their platform if they make any sort of changes at all Well, that's the idea, isn't it? Java is certified by Sun to run the same on every platform it's licensed for, and as a programmer who's been developing with Java for six years, I depend on that. Open-source it and it'll fork. OTOH it is really annoying when I find a simple bug in javamail that could by fixed with two lines of code, but not be able to get a fix until the next annual official release. Why would you assume that open source developers will fork it in a way that breaks compatibility? Why do you think they'd want to do that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne
Glenn Holmer wrote: Gerald Bauer wrote: Tom writes: Sun invariably says that they can't think of what problems open source Java would solve that aren't already solved. Of course that's ridiculous. Why? It is pretty hard for Linux vendors to ship a working JRE on their platform if they make any sort of changes at all Well, that's the idea, isn't it? Java is certified by Sun to run the same on every platform it's licensed for, and as a programmer who's been developing with Java for six years, I depend on that. Open-source it and it'll fork. OTOH it is really annoying when I find a simple bug in javamail that could by fixed with two lines of code, but not be able to get a fix until the next annual official release. Why would you assume that open source developers will fork it in a way that breaks compatibility? Why do you think they'd want to do that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne
Gerald Bauer wrote: unfree. On top of this, non-free core software is something to be avoided in the community. This overly-controlled approach on Sun's part is losing the Linux desktop to .NET. .NET is freerer than java? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne
Glenn Holmer wrote: I don't think anybody consciously wants to break compatibility, but I think it would simply be too tempting to add Just One Cool Feature(tm). That's the way Open Source works: when a programmer feels an itch, he codes. And that's OK for the kernel, or maybe XFree86, and for applications. But it's not OK for a programming language. It isn't? There are two problems with that statement 1) Sun also exercises control over libraries that are not part of the language proper. 2) In the view of many, there is nothing wrong with developing extensions to a language compiler as long as that compiler continues to support programs which don't make use of that extension. However, I don't think that's what anyone is proposing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Threads in JVM
hi all I am working on a project which needs JVM to work without the support of Operating Systems. The JVM I am working with uses Pthreads of Linux and hence I am unable to compile it with a arm cross compiler. I came to know that Green Threads works without the help of Operating System functions. So can you please direct where can I get the source of green threads or may be to any other JVMs which can run without an Operating Systems. I would be very thankful if anyone could help. Thank you in advance Vijay Deep -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:20:11 -0500 Glenn Holmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think anybody consciously wants to break compatibility, > but I think it would simply be too tempting to add Just One Cool > Feature(tm). That's the way Open Source works: when a programmer > feels an itch, he codes. And that's OK for the kernel, or maybe > XFree86, and for applications. But it's not OK for a programming > language. Are there any examples of this causing problems with other languages such as Python? Jordan. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:20:11 -0500 Glenn Holmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think anybody consciously wants to break compatibility, > but I think it would simply be too tempting to add Just One Cool > Feature(tm). That's the way Open Source works: when a programmer > feels an itch, he codes. And that's OK for the kernel, or maybe > XFree86, and for applications. But it's not OK for a programming > language. Are there any examples of this causing problems with other languages such as Python? Jordan. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
