Re: Where can I download netscape source code?
Try http://www.mozilla.org/ Chi-Ming Yang wrote: > > Hi there, > Where can I download netscape source code? > > Thanks > > - > Free e-mail group hosting at http://www.eGroups.com/
Re: FUCKING MAIL LIST
Gee, why don't you tell us how you really feel? Persil wrote: > > REMOVE ME FROM THIS FUCKING MAIL LIST OR TELL ME HOW TO REMOVE MY SELF > FROM THIS PIECE OF SHIT LIST! MOTHERFUCKERS
Re: what tools do you use for programming
David Warnock wrote: > > Helge, > > > what tools do you use for *efficient* programming in Java? > > I use VisualSlick Edit as my editor/IDE (I can compile, run etc from > within it). > > I use Jikes for compiling. > > Dubugging is not very ideal we simply use a debug class of our own > which also handles asserts. > > I do not use and do not want to use a GUI Builder. All our forms are > very dynamic (we already support 5 languages and lots of options on > what is visible). Also we use a very carefully crafted class library > so we are not writing any GUI stuff more than once. > > I have used Delphi for a long time and it is the best RAD tool. But > we can write Java Applications that are much cheaper to maintain by > not using a GUI Builder. There are lots of reasons for this. [snip of summary of good reasons not to use a GUI builder] I would agree. I've used most of the most popular IDE's - Visual Age, Visual Cafe and JBuilder2, but now I'm on a java job where we use xemacs and jdk and it's the best for GUI's as far as I'm concerned. JBuilder2 was pretty good with it's reflection/code inspector at getting me up to speed on the api's, but now I prefer xemacs. BTW, I'm looking for some recommendations on setting up a Linux/Java development system. Right now I have a K6 200Mhz w/128Mb ram, 1.6 and 1.0 Gb drives. I was thinking of getting a 6.4Gb "Linux On A Disk" with Linux installed for $219. Sounded pretty good to me, but a couple of questions. Anybody got any impressions on this Linux On A Disk deal? I'm not sure whether my system will handle three drives, but if not maybe I could replace the 1.0Gb with the 6.4Gb. I guess I'm still a little gun shy at installing Linux alongside NT, because I had some real headaches last year when I tried to intall the two os's together. It seemed that NT did not like Linux being on the same machine, so because I "needed" the NT app's, I gave up on Linux. Now I'm ready to try it again. And OK, I admit it, I'm not ready to be completely weaned from NT until I'm comfortable with Linux. Also is there a xemacs for Linux? I always like to duplicate somehow the development environment I use at work. TIA for any suggestions. Michael
JDE & (emacs or xemacss)?
Choices, choices, so many choices! Anybody got any preferences on emacs or xemacs for java? TIA, Michael Doherty
Re: (no subject)
Michael Doherty wrote: > > Choices, choices, so many choices! Anybody got any preferences on > emacs or xemacs for java? > > TIA, > > Michael Doherty Thanks for the replies. I d/l jde and installed it. I'll try it first with emacs because that came with the install. Could someone send me an example of their .emacs startup file I could use? TIA Michael
Some initial impressions (was: emacs vs xemacs)
Greetings all, Well, it's been about 3 weeks since I've installed linux with a dual boot setup on my NT box in order to do java development. Thanks to all who offered advice and encouragement. I've tried all the popular java ide's on NT, Visual Age, Visual Cafe, JBuilder, etc., but I must say, my favorite development setup is the one on Linux. KDE with usually 4 screens. (1) for xemacs, a couple of xterm's and running my java code with jdk117_v1a; (2) for netscape/javadocs; (3) for togetherJ whiteboard edition; and (4) for browsing the web and getting mail. Still haven't gotten Makefile to work, but I get some ideas for that when I get back to work Monday. (Any sample Makefiles for java would be appreciated - TIA) Anyway, the thing with linux is that it seems to run java code faster than NT. NetBeans on the NT side (200MHz K6 w/128MB ram) is almost unusable, but on linux, it's not so bad. Also, with togetherJ, there are times that there are two jvm's going and switching screens causes a noticeably faster repaint for togetherJ on linux. I really like togetherJ. I'm trying to get up to speed on OO modeling and this is a great tool (and the whiteboard edition is free, too) Both togetherJ and NetBeans seem to me to be good examples of OO app's and I'm getting some good ideas for my own personal project. Which I'm glad to report is going much better since I trashed everything I had and started over with the linux setup. There have been a number of threads on what's the best ide/development system. My opinion is that it depends on where you're at. I'm a self-taught programmer and found some of the ide's helpful getting up to speed. I'm still interested in looking at the code they produce, but figure now I can do as well or better. At work, we have some developers using PowerJ for prototyping and I guess that's all right. But then we "real" developers hand code it for production using jdk and xemacs. JBuilder's code inspector brought me up to speed on swing pretty quick. I figured it was worth the money just for the learning. Hey, knowing swing got me my current job which is working on a big CORBA project. One further observation. IMHO, the learning curve for linux doesn't seem to be that steep but rather more gradual and it does takes time. Somehow learning linux makes me feel smarter, where windows at first made me feel dumber. At least until I got it that what was wrong was windows, not me. Theory: could windows have contributed to a loss of national IQ points? The dumbing down of a country? Slashdot had an interesting article by some professor that said that literacy for high school students should include basic linux. Great idea! I'd add some basic java literacy, also. OK, here's a research topic for some grad student: can linux/java training raise national IQ? Well, that's all for now. Best wishes to everyone for the new year Michael
Re: Some initial impressions (was: emacs vs xemacs)
Richard Jones wrote: > > Michael Doherty wrote: > > Anyway, the thing with linux is that it seems to run java code faster > > than NT. NetBeans on the NT side (200MHz K6 w/128MB ram) is almost > [...] > > I'm surprised. NetBeans crawls with the Blackdown > Linux JDK. Are you using TYA perhaps? What version? I'm not running TYA. I was just saying that it was faster on linux than on the same box running jdk117 w/Symantec jit on nT4.0. I think I will check out jikes. Sounds great. Thanks, Michael
Re: Some initial impressions (was: emacs vs xemacs)
Works great! Thanks Rich. I'm frankly kinda amazed. Jikes seems about an order of magnitude faster than the jdk117_v1a compiler. Not sure how that's possible but goota hand it to the guy(s) at IBM who wrote it. Regards, Michael Richard Jones wrote: > > Michael Doherty wrote: > > > > Greetings all, > [...] > > (Any sample Makefiles for java would be appreciated - TIA) > > > > Anyway, the thing with linux is that it seems to run java code faster > > than NT. NetBeans on the NT side (200MHz K6 w/128MB ram) is almost > [...] > > I'm surprised. NetBeans crawls with the Blackdown > Linux JDK. Are you using TYA perhaps? What version? > > For a Makefile, I suggest: > > all: > jikes *.java > > clean: > rm -f *.class core *~ > > That's it. It works for me. Jikes is fast enough to > completely recompile my entire Java project (60 > source files) in just a few seconds. And if you > use it as above, then it works out the dependencies > and only recompiles what's necessary. > > Rich. > > -- > - Richard Jones. Linux contractor London and SE areas.- > -Very boring homepage at: http://www.annexia.demon.co.uk/ - > - You are currently the 1,991,243,100th visitor to this signature. - > -Original message content Copyright (C) 1998 Richard Jones.-
JavaHelp on Linux
Anybody know if the JavaHelp beta1.0 works on Linux? http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/earlyAccess/javahelp/index.html TIA Michael
Re: need help on installing Java Studio1.0 in Linux
P. T. Kornman wrote: > > Has anyone out there been able to get Sun's Java Studio 1.0 to run on > Linux? I went thru the procedure as described on the Blackdown pages and > I get the error message > > Can't find class sun.jws.Main > > I do have my own (legally purchased) copy of Java Studio 1.0 (bought > 12-97) and did what the installation said. I figure I messed up the > "apply js-linux.diff". Any and all help would be greatly > appreciated..thanks in advance. Check your classpath. Whenever I've gotten that error message and then added the appropriate directory to CLASSPATH, it's worked ok.
Re: hey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hey, > > Just wanted to drop you a note. There is a computer > show this weekend at the Radisson Hotel in Overland > Park. If you are still looking for those parts, its > a good place to find them. I think the hours are > 10 to 3 on Sunday, but you might want to get there > early you know how those things go quickly. Its off > of I35 about 1/2 mile east on 87th street. Its $3.00 > to get in but the saving more than makes up for that. > Last time there were several dozen vendors and they > always have giveaways, I know they give away $50.00 at > 2pm during every show. It should be a good one. See > ya there. > > dave > Dave, Thanks for the info. but what in what country is Overland Park? some of us on the list may not live near you.
Applicatin Server for Linux
Are there any good application servers for Linux? Eg., similar to Gemstone or NetDynamics. TIA, -- Michael Doherty http://top.monad.net/~vsi/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This works on Linux/ W95 not on NT. Why?
Jeff Galyan wrote: > > Jim Frost wrote: > > > > > Maybe because NT is notorious for being very unfriendly to Java? > > > > Huh? NT is one of the best Java platforms around. It's relatively stable, has > > great JVM availability, has very stable JVMs, has a slew of IDEs and other > > tools, has several very fast compilers > > > > We do almost all development on NT for these reasons even though we typically > > deploy on Solaris (for scalability and core OS reliability). > > > > Pardon me, but... > > WRONG! > > It's been proven in court that Microsoft's JVM is utterly > *non-compliant*, NT crashes way too frequently to be considered *alpha* > quality software, Microsoft's IDE produces binaries that simply will not > run on any platform except Win32 (again, proven in court)... > > "NT is one of the best Java platforms around" ? What have you been > smoking? > Gee Jeff - a little testy? NT is just the os. There are a bunch of jvm's that work just fine on nt. Don't forget not everybody has a solaris box. I'm running dual boot nt and linux at home, and developing on solaris at work. I for one am grateful that java runs on all these systems. Regards, -- Michael Doherty http://top.monad.net/~vsi/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GC... faster?
Sandy Ward wrote: > > I am not to sure about Blackdown but I do that I IBM JVM for Linux. > (1.1.7 is going to be available very soon, with 1.2 to follow close) has > unbeleivable garbage collection. They do the GCing similar to HotSpot > actually if I am not mistaken their GCing is better than HotSpot. > > So you even if it is not provided by Blackdown you will have an alternative. > > Sandy Interesting. Do you have more info or an url about IBM's 1.1.7 and 1.2 port to linux? TIA -- Michael Doherty http://top.monad.net/~vsi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
