Re: How to handle words that stem to stop words

2014-07-07 Thread David Murgatroyd
Arjen,

An approach requiring less list maintenance could be more advanced
linguistic processing to distinguish the stop word from the content word,
such as lemmatization rather than stemming.

A commercial offering, Rosette Search Essentials from Basis
http://www.basistech.com/search-essentials/ (full disclosure: my
employer), which is free for development use and can be downloaded via that
link, uses textual context to disambiguate lemmas as in the screenshot
below -- compare the lemma for token #13 (van) v. token #25 (vans). (I
don't read/write Dutch; I took these snippets from the web.) The work
integrating OpenNLP https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2899
might also prove helpful.

Best,
David Murgatroyd
ww.linkedin.com/in/dmurga/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/dmurga/

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On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sujit Pal sujit@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi Arjen,

 You could also mark a token as keyword so the stemmer passes it through
 unchanged. For example, per the Javadocs for PorterStemFilter:

 http://lucene.apache.org/core/4_6_0/analyzers-common/org/apache/lucene/analysis/en/PorterStemFilter.html

 Note: This filter is aware of the KeywordAttribute
 
 http://lucene.apache.org/core/4_6_0/core/org/apache/lucene/analysis/tokenattributes/KeywordAttribute.html?is-external=true
 .
 To prevent certain terms from being passed to the stemmer
 KeywordAttribute.isKeyword()
 
 http://lucene.apache.org/core/4_6_0/core/org/apache/lucene/analysis/tokenattributes/KeywordAttribute.html?is-external=true#isKeyword()
 
 should
 be set to true in a previousTokenStream
 
 http://lucene.apache.org/core/4_6_0/core/org/apache/lucene/analysis/TokenStream.html?is-external=true
 .
 Note: For including the original term as well as the stemmed version, see
 KeywordRepeatFilterFactory
 
 http://lucene.apache.org/core/4_6_0/analyzers-common/org/apache/lucene/analysis/miscellaneous/KeywordRepeatFilterFactory.html
 

 Assuming your stemmer is also keyword attribute aware, you could build a
 filter that reads a list of words (such as vans) that should be protected
 from stemming and marks them with the KeywordAttribute before sending to
 the Porter stemmer and put it into your analysis chain.

 -sujit


 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Tri Cao tm...@me.com wrote:

  I think emitting two tokens for vans is the right (potentially only)
 way
  to do it. You could
  also control the dictionary of terms that require this special treatment.
 
  Any reason makes you not happy with this approach?
 
  On Jul 06, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Arjen van der Meijden 
  acmmail...@tweakers.net wrote:
 
  Hello list,
 
  We have a fairly large Lucene database for a 30+ million post forum.
  Users post and search for all kinds of things. To make sure users don't
  have to type exact matches, we combine a WordDelimiterFilter with a
  (Dutch) SnowballFilter.
 
  Unfortunately users sometimes find examples of words that get stemmed to
  a word that's basically a stop word. Or reversely, where a very common
  word is stemmed so that it becomes the same as a rare word.
 
  We do index stop words, so theoretically they could still find their
  result. But when a rare word is stemmed in such a way it yields a
  million hits, that makes it very unusable...
 
  One example is the Dutch word 'van' which is the equivalent of 'of' in
  English. A user tried to search for the shoe brand 'vans', which gets
  stemmed to 'van' and obviously gives useless results.
 
  I already noticed the 'KeywordRepeatFilter' to index/search both 'vans'
  and 'van' and the StemmerOverrideFilter to try and prevent these cases.
  Are there any other solutions for these kinds of problems?
 
  Best regards,
 
  Arjen van der Meijden
 
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Re: DisjunctionMaxQuery and scoring

2012-04-19 Thread David Murgatroyd




On Apr 19, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 I see why I'm so confused, but I think I need to construct a simpler test 
 case.
 
 My top-level BooleanQuery, which has disableCoord=false, has 22
 clauses. All but three are ordinary SHOULD TermQueries. the remainder
 are a spanNear and a nested BooleanQuery, and an empty PhraseQuery
 (that's a bug).
 
 However, at the end of the explain trace, I see:
 
 0.45 = coord(9/20) I think that my nested Boolean, for which I've been
 flipping coord on and off to see what happens, is somehow not
 participating at all. So switching it's coord on and off has no
 effect.
 
 Why 20? Why not 22? Is this just an explain quirk? Should I shove all
 this code up to 3.6 from 2.9.3 before bugging you further?
 
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Re: DisjunctionMaxQuery and scoring

2012-04-19 Thread David Murgatroyd
[apologies for the earlier errant send]

I think
 BooleanQuery bq = new BooleanQuery(false);
doesn't quite accomplish the desired name IN (dick, rich) scoring
behavior. This is because (name:dick | name:rich) with coord=false would
score the 'document' Dick Rich higher than Rich because the former has
two term matches and the latter only one. In contrast, I think the desire
is that one and only one of the terms in the document match those in the
BooleanQuery so that Rich would score higher than Dick Rich, given
document length normalization. It's almost like a desire for
BooleanQuery bq = new BooleanQuery(false);
  bq.set*Maximum*NumberShouldMatch(1);

Is there a good way to accomplish this?

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Robert Muir rcm...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I see why I'm so confused, but I think I need to construct a simpler
 test case.
 
  My top-level BooleanQuery, which has disableCoord=false, has 22
  clauses. All but three are ordinary SHOULD TermQueries. the remainder
  are a spanNear and a nested BooleanQuery, and an empty PhraseQuery
  (that's a bug).
 
  However, at the end of the explain trace, I see:
 
  0.45 = coord(9/20) I think that my nested Boolean, for which I've been
  flipping coord on and off to see what happens, is somehow not
  participating at all. So switching it's coord on and off has no
  effect.
 
  Why 20? Why not 22? Is this just an explain quirk?

 I am not sure (also not sure i understand your example totally), but
 at the same time could be as simple as the fact you have 2 prohibited
 (MUST_NOT) clauses. These don't count towards coord()

 I think its hard to tell from your description (just since it doesn't
 have all the details). an explain or test case or something like that
 would might be more efficient if its still not making sense...

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