Re: [JAVA2D] Direct3D is disabled in win2003 in 6uN EA?
One last thing then I'll say no more. Seems to me that the way to include / exclude systems is by the capabilities of the graphics card that Java is running on. I can think of server side apps that could use a fast graphics pipeline to ship chunks of graphical information to a client using a high speed network. You have the big iron running the graphics and the client displaying the computed image. Things like molecular physics; GIS systems; animations; VR -- stuff like that where the heavy lifting was done server side and the client was just watching. Also if someone didn't fit the profile you've described and put a really good graphics card in a server and then found out that the graphics card was not used by Java because of the OS -- that person might get a little upset. But I think I will say no more Dmitri Trembovetski wrote: That's correct, Windows 2000 will also be excluded. Thanks, Dmitri Ken Warner wrote: I'm just going by what Dmitri told me... Secondly, starting with b08 the pipeline will only be enabled on client-class OS (WinXP and newer). Win2K* are classified as a server-class OS flavor. The reason for this policy is that typically on servers people care more about stability than performance, and the drivers for these systems are lagging behind client OS-es. Thanks, Dmitri Phil Race wrote: Ken, Please read the subject line. Windows 2003 and 2008 are server OSes and are quite different than windows 2000. -phil. Ken Warner wrote: The funny thing is that Windows 2000 wasn't a server class OS when I bought it. It was just the latest Windows. Somewhere along the line it became a server OS. And I didn't know I became an Administrator. I guess I didn't get the memo. And the reason I don't upgrade to XP or (yuk) Vista is that I'd rather spend my cycles on work rather than fancy icons and animation to give me a "...richer user interface experience..." Windows 2000 is almost as fast as Windows NT I guess it's just a matter of perspective. And there's no point in telling Microsoft anything -- they know *ALL* the answers. It's not my fault! Dmitri Trembovetski wrote: Ken Warner wrote: The assumption that, "...typically people don't care about graphics performance on a server, and also drivers tend to be old/buggy on servers as they are not updated as often. Is fundamentally wrong -- at least in my case. You may want to tell that to Microsoft then, because in their next server os (Windows 2008) not only Aero is disabled by default, it is not even present in the installation, and the default (and only) theme is Win2k. I guess they have found that administrators don't care much about fancy graphics on servers. Moreover, the vast majority of servers are administered remotely anyway. Thanks, Dmitri === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
Re: [JAVA2D] Direct3D is disabled in win2003 in 6uN EA?
That's correct, Windows 2000 will also be excluded. Thanks, Dmitri Ken Warner wrote: I'm just going by what Dmitri told me... Secondly, starting with b08 the pipeline will only be enabled on client-class OS (WinXP and newer). Win2K* are classified as a server-class OS flavor. The reason for this policy is that typically on servers people care more about stability than performance, and the drivers for these systems are lagging behind client OS-es. Thanks, Dmitri Phil Race wrote: Ken, Please read the subject line. Windows 2003 and 2008 are server OSes and are quite different than windows 2000. -phil. Ken Warner wrote: The funny thing is that Windows 2000 wasn't a server class OS when I bought it. It was just the latest Windows. Somewhere along the line it became a server OS. And I didn't know I became an Administrator. I guess I didn't get the memo. And the reason I don't upgrade to XP or (yuk) Vista is that I'd rather spend my cycles on work rather than fancy icons and animation to give me a "...richer user interface experience..." Windows 2000 is almost as fast as Windows NT I guess it's just a matter of perspective. And there's no point in telling Microsoft anything -- they know *ALL* the answers. It's not my fault! Dmitri Trembovetski wrote: Ken Warner wrote: The assumption that, "...typically people don't care about graphics performance on a server, and also drivers tend to be old/buggy on servers as they are not updated as often. Is fundamentally wrong -- at least in my case. You may want to tell that to Microsoft then, because in their next server os (Windows 2008) not only Aero is disabled by default, it is not even present in the installation, and the default (and only) theme is Win2k. I guess they have found that administrators don't care much about fancy graphics on servers. Moreover, the vast majority of servers are administered remotely anyway. Thanks, Dmitri === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
Re: [JAVA2D] Direct3D is disabled in win2003 in 6uN EA?
I'm just going by what Dmitri told me... Secondly, starting with b08 the pipeline will only be enabled on client-class OS (WinXP and newer). Win2K* are classified as a server-class OS flavor. The reason for this policy is that typically on servers people care more about stability than performance, and the drivers for these systems are lagging behind client OS-es. Thanks, Dmitri Phil Race wrote: Ken, Please read the subject line. Windows 2003 and 2008 are server OSes and are quite different than windows 2000. -phil. Ken Warner wrote: The funny thing is that Windows 2000 wasn't a server class OS when I bought it. It was just the latest Windows. Somewhere along the line it became a server OS. And I didn't know I became an Administrator. I guess I didn't get the memo. And the reason I don't upgrade to XP or (yuk) Vista is that I'd rather spend my cycles on work rather than fancy icons and animation to give me a "...richer user interface experience..." Windows 2000 is almost as fast as Windows NT I guess it's just a matter of perspective. And there's no point in telling Microsoft anything -- they know *ALL* the answers. It's not my fault! Dmitri Trembovetski wrote: Ken Warner wrote: The assumption that, "...typically people don't care about graphics performance on a server, and also drivers tend to be old/buggy on servers as they are not updated as often. Is fundamentally wrong -- at least in my case. You may want to tell that to Microsoft then, because in their next server os (Windows 2008) not only Aero is disabled by default, it is not even present in the installation, and the default (and only) theme is Win2k. I guess they have found that administrators don't care much about fancy graphics on servers. Moreover, the vast majority of servers are administered remotely anyway. Thanks, Dmitri === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
Re: [JAVA2D] Direct3D is disabled in win2003 in 6uN EA?
Ken, Please read the subject line. Windows 2003 and 2008 are server OSes and are quite different than windows 2000. -phil. Ken Warner wrote: The funny thing is that Windows 2000 wasn't a server class OS when I bought it. It was just the latest Windows. Somewhere along the line it became a server OS. And I didn't know I became an Administrator. I guess I didn't get the memo. And the reason I don't upgrade to XP or (yuk) Vista is that I'd rather spend my cycles on work rather than fancy icons and animation to give me a "...richer user interface experience..." Windows 2000 is almost as fast as Windows NT I guess it's just a matter of perspective. And there's no point in telling Microsoft anything -- they know *ALL* the answers. It's not my fault! Dmitri Trembovetski wrote: Ken Warner wrote: The assumption that, "...typically people don't care about graphics performance on a server, and also drivers tend to be old/buggy on servers as they are not updated as often. Is fundamentally wrong -- at least in my case. You may want to tell that to Microsoft then, because in their next server os (Windows 2008) not only Aero is disabled by default, it is not even present in the installation, and the default (and only) theme is Win2k. I guess they have found that administrators don't care much about fancy graphics on servers. Moreover, the vast majority of servers are administered remotely anyway. Thanks, Dmitri === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
Re: [JAVA2D] Direct3D is disabled in win2003 in 6uN EA?
The funny thing is that Windows 2000 wasn't a server class OS when I bought it. It was just the latest Windows. Somewhere along the line it became a server OS. And I didn't know I became an Administrator. I guess I didn't get the memo. And the reason I don't upgrade to XP or (yuk) Vista is that I'd rather spend my cycles on work rather than fancy icons and animation to give me a "...richer user interface experience..." Windows 2000 is almost as fast as Windows NT I guess it's just a matter of perspective. And there's no point in telling Microsoft anything -- they know *ALL* the answers. It's not my fault! Dmitri Trembovetski wrote: Ken Warner wrote: The assumption that, "...typically people don't care about graphics performance on a server, and also drivers tend to be old/buggy on servers as they are not updated as often. Is fundamentally wrong -- at least in my case. You may want to tell that to Microsoft then, because in their next server os (Windows 2008) not only Aero is disabled by default, it is not even present in the installation, and the default (and only) theme is Win2k. I guess they have found that administrators don't care much about fancy graphics on servers. Moreover, the vast majority of servers are administered remotely anyway. Thanks, Dmitri === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
Re: [JAVA2D] Direct3D is disabled in win2003 in 6uN EA?
Ken Warner wrote: The assumption that, "...typically people don't care about graphics performance on a server, and also drivers tend to be old/buggy on servers as they are not updated as often. Is fundamentally wrong -- at least in my case. You may want to tell that to Microsoft then, because in their next server os (Windows 2008) not only Aero is disabled by default, it is not even present in the installation, and the default (and only) theme is Win2k. I guess they have found that administrators don't care much about fancy graphics on servers. Moreover, the vast majority of servers are administered remotely anyway. Thanks, Dmitri === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
Re: [JAVA2D] OpenGL Pipeline crashes video driver on Vista
Chris has been in direct contact with Nvidia's opengl driver team in a while, and that didn't seem to affect the driver quality that much so I doubt that posting on the forums will help.. Thanks, Dmitri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I thought about OpenGL drivers on Vista (then the rumors were not a legend, OpenGL is not very well integrated into Vista) And yes, I've tested the Direct3D pipeline. Probably the best thing you can do about this is to write a post in NVidia's user forums. Crashing OpenGL drivers should not be possible by an application so its clearly their fault - and they have to fix it. My hope is that many people will complain about such problems and that Java (with d3d, AND OPENGL will be in their test-suite before they release a driver. lg Clemens [Message sent by forum member 'linuxhippy' (linuxhippy)] http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=246075 === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
Re: [JAVA2D] Please try the new Direct3D 9-based Java2D pipeline in 6uN EA
Thanks, this is a known issue. It is addressed in the latest available build (b07). Also, regarding the output - you don't necessarily need to start Netbeans to get debug printout, just use any of the jdk demos, for example (SwingSet2). Thanks, Dmitri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting artifacts on the Netbeans editor (as mentioned in a bug posted earlier in this thread). Unfortunately I don't know where the trace output goes when running Netbeans. java version "1.6.0_05-ea" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_05-ea-b06) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.6.0_05-ea-b06, mixed mode, sharing) Windows XP Details about my display adaptor Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator Driver for Mobile Report Report Date:11/05/2007 Report Time[hr:mm:ss]: 18:34:57 Driver Version: 6.14.10.4764 Operating System: Windows XP* Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) Default Language: English DirectX* Version: 9.0 Physical Memory:2038 MB Minimum Graphics Memory:8 MB Maximum Graphics Memory:128 MB Graphics Memory in Use: 65 MB Processor: x86 family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8 Processor Speed:1861 MHZ Vendor ID: 8086 Device ID: 2592 Device Revision:03 * Accelerator Information * Accelerator in Use: Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset Family Video BIOS: 1239 Current Graphics Mode: 1400 by 1050 True Color (60 Hz) * Devices Connected to the Graphics Accelerator * Active Monitors: 1 Active Notebook Displays: 1 * Monitor * Monitor Name: Plug and Play Monitor Display Type: Analog Gamma Value:2.20 DDC2 Protocol: Supported Maximum Image Size: Horizontal: 14.0 inches Vertical: 11.0 inches Monitor Supported Modes: 640 by 480 (60 Hz) 640 by 480 (67 Hz) 640 by 480 (72 Hz) 640 by 480 (75 Hz) 720 by 400 (70 Hz) 800 by 600 (56 Hz) 800 by 600 (60 Hz) 800 by 600 (72 Hz) 800 by 600 (75 Hz) 832 by 624 (75 Hz) 1024 by 768 (60 Hz) 1024 by 768 (70 Hz) 1024 by 768 (75 Hz) 1152 by 864 (75 Hz) 1152 by 870 (75 Hz) 1280 by 1024 (60 Hz) 1280 by 1024 (72 Hz) 1280 by 1024 (75 Hz) Display Power Management Support: Standby Mode: Supported Suspend Mode: Supported Active Off Mode: Supported * Notebook * Monitor Name: Wide viewing angle & High density FlexView Display 1400x1050 Display Type: Digital Gamma Value:3.54 DDC2 Protocol: Supported Maximum Image Size: Horizontal: Not Available Vertical: Not Available Monitor Supported Modes: 1400 by 1050 (50 Hz) 1400 by 1050 (60 Hz) Display Power Management Support: Standby Mode: Not Supported Suspend Mode: Not Supported Active Off Mode: Supported * Other names and brands are the property of their respective owners. [Message sent by forum member 'atehrani' (atehrani)] http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=243985 === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
Re: [JAVA2D] Direct3D is disabled in win2003 in 6uN EA?
[quote] Then have higher level layers of graphic acceleration for the more advanced video cards. Shading etc. [/quote] Well I think some kind of black-listing would probably the best thing - black-list which driver/os/directx-versions are known to be broken and emit a small warning on the command line about that (this way many more people will complain at gpu manufacturers to provide better drivers). If that leads to more people getting some kind of hardware acceleration -- I support that idea. What you mean would be really hard to implement - in fact this would lead to many different implementations for each GPU generation. Who should pay all the programmers and bug-fixers ;) Not if it is done right. Really hard is what those 6 figure salaries are for. === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
Re: [JAVA2D] OpenGL Pipeline crashes video driver on Vista
> That's what I thought about OpenGL drivers on Vista > (then the rumors were not a legend, OpenGL is not > very well integrated into Vista) > And yes, I've tested the Direct3D pipeline. Probably the best thing you can do about this is to write a post in NVidia's user forums. Crashing OpenGL drivers should not be possible by an application so its clearly their fault - and they have to fix it. My hope is that many people will complain about such problems and that Java (with d3d, AND OPENGL will be in their test-suite before they release a driver. lg Clemens [Message sent by forum member 'linuxhippy' (linuxhippy)] http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=246075 === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
Re: [JAVA2D] Direct3D is disabled in win2003 in 6uN EA?
[quote] Is fundamentally wrong -- at least in my case. [/quote] I tend to hate such heuristic desicisions - I was hit by them in the oppsite way: I have a Core2Duo Laptop with 2GB Ram running Linux - so by default the server-jvm is used for my desktop applications and even for Applets and small Webstart applications! Since the upgrade from 1gb->2gb ram (which makes java recognoize my machine as server-class computer) eclipse was terrible unresponsive - and java does nit even provide a non-hackish way of disabling server-class-machine-detection. I had to copy arround the libjvm.so files so that java starts the server-compiler but instead launches the client compiler. A bug-report filed by me was closed :-/ [quote] Then have higher level layers of graphic acceleration for the more advanced video cards. Shading etc. [/quote] Well I think some kind of black-listing would probably the best thing - black-list which driver/os/directx-versions are known to be broken and emit a small warning on the command line about that (this way many more people will complain at gpu manufacturers to provide better drivers). What you mean would be really hard to implement - in fact this would lead to many different implementations for each GPU generation. Who should pay all the programmers and bug-fixers ;) lg Clemens [Message sent by forum member 'linuxhippy' (linuxhippy)] http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=246073 === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA2D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
