[JAWS-Users] Re: new programs
Yes a program that splits books could be good; now I'd do it in Goldwave, but if this is easier, I'd switch programs especially since Goldwave never got put back on my computer after a crash. Sharon -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of alan warner Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 5:17 PM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: new programs hi david, yes please do the tutorial and many thanks for all your efforts. regards alan warner - Original Message - From: David A Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] new programs I've been adding various programs all along here, but I wanted to point out the couple just posted today. First an updated version of 7 zip. Second a MP3 file splitting program called book split. I suggest it only be used for straight voice files because it only splits by a pre determined time interval. You have some play so far as setting that is concerned, but it wouldn't work well for music files. I may do an audio tutorial on it as the thing wouldn't be too tuff to do. I'd like to know if there would be any interest in such a thing first I suppose. David Ferrin __ NOD32 2255 (20070509) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: Roxio Fix Revealed
Since Roxio and Nero seem to work with Jaws well, should I install both to try, or would they mess up each other? If given a choice, which one do you think has more Jaws accessibility? Sharon -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:35 AM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Roxio Fix Revealed Hi Folks, Since there were people who wanted to know, aside from me how to fix the problem I was having, I thought I would post the fix here, for the benefit of those who weren't able to figure it out themselves before I could. My thanks to Steve, who's suggestion actually caused me to have more problems than I had previous to my other dilemma. Basically, what had happened was that I took Steve's suggestion, and installed Roxio Easy CD/DVD Creator 6 Platinum, which caused Roxio Easy CD Creator 5 to be uninstalled before it could install version 6. Well, doing that caused a maelstrom of problems, least of which was my CD burner not reading the files on any CD's I inserted into my CD-RW drive, and before anyone thinks to ask, these were original commercial disks I stuck in there, not burnt ones or previously burnt ones. Grin. Anyway, I am not saying that this was Steve's fault, or the fault of his suggestion, I figure I didn't do the install right, and the updates weren't installed properly. Suffice it to say, I had to do a system restore, in order to fix the reading capabilities of my CD-RW drive. Needless to say, I was forced to re-install Creator 5 and go with that. Anyway, onto the fix... So, I knew there must be a problem with the view settings because I could see the list view of items, I just couldn't see the tree view of files, so I figured there must be something wrong that I just wasn't catching. Quite frankly, I don't know how I could have missed it. First and foremost, one should highlight the properties of the start menu icon, or desktop icon, depending on where you activate creator 5 from. Actually, if you activate Creator 5 from the desktop icon that was originally put there when you installed the program, than most likely, you have launched the Easy CD Creator 5 Application Launcher, which is completely graphic and hard to work with, so I would suggest deleting that icon, and going into your start menu, pressing P for Programs, then R until you get to Roxio, then enter to land on Applications, then arrow down to Easy CD Creator 5 and press the applications key. You may not hear Jaws read that the applications menu has activated, but just arrow down and you'll find that it has activated. At this point, arrow down to Send To sub-menu, then arrow down to Desktop, Create Shortcut. Go to your Desktop, by pressing control+M or the alt+tab combination, and press the letter E to highlight the Easy CD Creator 5 icon. Press the applications key, and arrow up to properties. In the shortcut properties dialog box, tab to the shortcut key, if desired, and enter it, then tab once more to the run combo box, and arrow down to maximized, then tab to apply, then shift+tab back to ok. The decision of creating a shortcut key is completely yours, and is not necessary to fix the problem, just to let you all know. Now that you've done the initial set-up, highlight the desktop icon and press enter. Now that you have the Easy CD Creator 5 program open, press the alt+V for the view menu, and make sure the following is checked. If you find it is not checked, press enter on it to check it. The following should be checked: Show Explorer Bar. And; List. If you check these two items, you'll get all the accessibility you want. You can then press insert+H for available hotkeys. Hope this helps, and again, I thank Steve for his suggestion, and say that if it weren't for him, I would have never been driven to find the answer on my own. Thanks Steve. Victor --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Jaws scripts in the Jaws 8 program question
Message How do you find out all of the programs with hot keys that work well with Jaws? Is there a list of programs? Sharon -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Boodram Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:55 PM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Roxio Fix Revealed Hi, I've been using Nero 6 Ultra Edition and Roxeo Easy CD DVD Creator 6 harmoniously on my machine with no problems. I use to experience conflicts when I was using Windows 98 SE but now that I'm using XP pro I have no problem. Phone: 1-868-636-3519 Fax: 1-868-679-1001 Mobile: 1-868-730-8377 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jeffrey Turner To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Roxio Fix Revealed I have been told that Roxio and Nero do not coexist happily on the same computer, but I have not tried it out myself. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 9:13 AM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Roxio Fix Revealed Since Roxio and Nero seem to work with Jaws well, should I install both to try, or would they mess up each other? If given a choice, which one do you think has more Jaws accessibility? Sharon -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:35 AM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Roxio Fix Revealed Hi Folks, Since there were people who wanted to know, aside from me how to fix the problem I was having, I thought I would post the fix here, for the benefit of those who weren't able to figure it out themselves before I could. My thanks to Steve, who's suggestion actually caused me to have more problems than I had previous to my other dilemma. Basically, what had happened was that I took Steve's suggestion, and installed Roxio Easy CD/DVD Creator 6 Platinum, which caused Roxio Easy CD Creator 5 to be uninstalled before it could install version 6. Well, doing that caused a maelstrom of problems, least of which was my CD burner not reading the files on any CD's I inserted into my CD-RW drive, and before anyone thinks to ask, these were original commercial disks I stuck in there, not burnt ones or previously burnt ones. Grin. Anyway, I am not saying that this was Steve's fault, or the fault of his suggestion, I figure I didn't do the install right, and the updates weren't installed properly. Suffice it to say, I had to do a system restore, in order to fix the reading capabilities of my CD-RW drive. Needless to say, I was forced to re-install Creator 5 and go with that. Anyway, onto the fix... So, I knew there must be a problem with the view settings because I could see the list view of items, I just couldn't see the tree view of files, so I figured there must be something wrong that I just wasn't catching. Quite frankly, I don't know how I could have missed it. First and foremost, one should highlight the properties of the start menu icon, or desktop icon, depending on where you activate creator 5 from. Actually, if you activate Creator 5 from the desktop icon that was originally put there when you installed the program, than most likely, you have launched the Easy CD Creator 5 Application Launcher, which is completely graphic and hard to work with, so I would suggest deleting that icon, and going into your start menu, pressing P for Programs, then R until you get to Roxio, then enter to land on Applications, then arrow down to Easy CD Creator 5 and press the applications key. You may not hear Jaws read that the applications menu has activated, but just arrow down and you'll find that it has activated. At this point, arrow down to Send To sub-menu, then arrow down to Desktop, Create Shortcut. Go to your Desktop, by pressing control+M or the alt+tab combination, and press the letter E to highlight the Easy CD Creator 5 icon. Press the applications key, and arrow up to properties. In the shortcut properties dialog box, tab to the shortcut key, if desired, and enter it, then tab once more to the run combo box, and arrow down to maximized, then tab to apply, then shift+tab back to ok. The decision of creating a shortcut key is completely yours, and is not necessary to fix the problem, just to let you all know. Now that you've done the initial set-up, highlight the desktop icon and press enter. Now that you have the Easy CD Creator 5 program open, press the alt+V for the view menu, and make sure the following is checked. If you find it is not checked, press enter on it to check
[JAWS-Users] Re: Jaws scripts in the Jaws 8 program question
Thanks, I most definitely had a senior moment! Sharon -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ricque Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 8:42 PM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Jaws scripts in the Jaws 8 program question Hi Sharon, You can look under help topics from the Jaws main window. Once in the help topics, look for popular applications. While in any application supported by Jaws, press insert + H, for a list of hotkeys. HTH, Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com - Original Message - From: Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 8:41 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws scripts in the Jaws 8 program question Message How do you find out all of the programs with hot keys that work well with Jaws? Is there a list of programs? Sharon -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Boodram Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:55 PM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Roxio Fix Revealed Hi, I've been using Nero 6 Ultra Edition and Roxeo Easy CD DVD Creator 6 harmoniously on my machine with no problems. I use to experience conflicts when I was using Windows 98 SE but now that I'm using XP pro I have no problem. Phone: 1-868-636-3519 Fax: 1-868-679-1001 Mobile: 1-868-730-8377 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jeffrey Turner To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Roxio Fix Revealed I have been told that Roxio and Nero do not coexist happily on the same computer, but I have not tried it out myself. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 9:13 AM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Roxio Fix Revealed Since Roxio and Nero seem to work with Jaws well, should I install both to try, or would they mess up each other? If given a choice, which one do you think has more Jaws accessibility? Sharon -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:35 AM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Roxio Fix Revealed Hi Folks, Since there were people who wanted to know, aside from me how to fix the problem I was having, I thought I would post the fix here, for the benefit of those who weren't able to figure it out themselves before I could. My thanks to Steve, who's suggestion actually caused me to have more problems than I had previous to my other dilemma. Basically, what had happened was that I took Steve's suggestion, and installed Roxio Easy CD/DVD Creator 6 Platinum, which caused Roxio Easy CD Creator 5 to be uninstalled before it could install version 6. Well, doing that caused a maelstrom of problems, least of which was my CD burner not reading the files on any CD's I inserted into my CD-RW drive, and before anyone thinks to ask, these were original commercial disks I stuck in there, not burnt ones or previously burnt ones. Grin. Anyway, I am not saying that this was Steve's fault, or the fault of his suggestion, I figure I didn't do the install right, and the updates weren't installed properly. Suffice it to say, I had to do a system restore, in order to fix the reading capabilities of my CD-RW drive. Needless to say, I was forced to re-install Creator 5 and go with that. Anyway, onto the fix... So, I knew there must be a problem with the view settings because I could see the list view of items, I just couldn't see the tree view of files, so I figured there must be something wrong that I just wasn't catching. Quite frankly, I don't know how I could have missed it. First and foremost, one should highlight the properties of the start menu icon, or desktop icon, depending on where you activate creator 5 from. Actually, if you activate Creator 5 from the desktop icon that was originally put there when you installed the program, than most likely, you have launched the Easy CD Creator 5 Application Launcher, which is completely graphic and hard to work with, so I would suggest deleting that icon, and going into your start menu, pressing P for Programs, then R until you get to Roxio, then enter to land on Applications, then arrow down to Easy CD Creator 5 and press the applications key. You may not hear Jaws read that the applications menu has activated, but just arrow down and you'll find that it has activated. At this point, arrow down to Send To sub-menu, then arrow down to Desktop, Create Shortcut. Go to your Desktop, by pressing control+M or the alt
[JAWS-Users] Re: Accessable burning programs with Jaws 8
I would have to second your request. I've tried several, but must be doing something wrong. Also, I tend to be able to burn CD's but DVD's just sort of stop, and I don't have any or much speech from Jaws. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JAWS-Users] Accessable burning programs with Jaws 8 Hi listers I am looking for a burning program that is accessable with Jaws 8. I want to make images aswell as burning DVDs and CDs Thanks in advance --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: JAWS friendly Bible
try the Logos site. The libronix program. Doubt if it's there, but it's worth a try. Sharon Hughey, M.Div., Ph.D. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frederick Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:22 AM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS friendly Bible Hi It has occurred to me since I am having troubles obtaining the New Oxford Annotated Bible: RSV (with Apocrypha)(Expd) that is required for my theology classes, in an alternative format, that perhaps there is a computer software package for this. Does anyone know if there is a JAWS friendly Bible program that includes the New Oxford Annotated Bible: RSV (with Apocrypha)(Expd)? If you could send me the information on where to find it I would be most grateful! God bless, Mark (Frederick) God loves you! My ham radio lists. http://lists.topica.com/lists/funhamradio. http://groups.google.com/group/funhamradio-list My personal website http://funhamradio.bloki.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: Combo box question
So do I enable Java in the Jaws program or in Internet Explorer, and do I need the Microsun bridge or whatever that thing is? Sharon -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 4:14 AM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Combo box question Sharon wrote: This set is especially weird, as the alt down arrow brings me out of forms mode and I cannot seem to select any of the choices. http://www.gapeaches.com/recipes.htm I really want the recipes information. Is it me, or is this impossible because this site is just plain inaccessible? Two points. First at least one of the linked recipes is a 404 No Page Found (Peach Cream Cheese Desert), so that could have been your problem. Second, do you have JavaScript enabled? If you do, you can arrow down to your choice, then press enter. If not, the select boxes on that site don't work. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/601 - Release Date: 12/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/601 - Release Date: 12/24/2006 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: Alt-Tab
That is correct. It's just that alt tab no longer moves me between documents like it used to, and that's one of the rather confusing issues. The other is that Jaws will skip whole llines reporting that there is nothing there, and/or repeat lines and skip others at the same time. Sharon -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John O. Carvalho Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:27 PM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Alt-Tab Sharon, Bob is correct in saying that the alt,tabbing will move you between all of your documents. I do it all of the time. PEACE John Carvalho - Original Message - From: Bob Batchelor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:26 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Alt-Tab Sharon, Are you opening your documents that you are working on through My Documents folder individually? I think if you did that the Alt + Tab might work for you switching between them. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:26 PM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Alt-Tab I have a strange question also connected with alt tab. This problem only happened after a tech support call with Freedom Scientific, and I don't know what they told me to do to cause it but ever since . . . The only way to move between MS Word documents is with Control f6. Alt tab only switches between applications, and does not switch me from one doc to another in the same application. Also, if I close one document in MS Word, they all seem to close. This is driving my crazy since I have to work with multiple documents at once. Also, there are many times when Jaws can't read me the text but the window is maximized. It's like something is blocking it. The line just appears to be blank. Sometimes Jaws will read the same line twice when I'm actually on the line below that one. Anyone know what might possibly be going on? I don't feel like having our IT person have to completely reinstall Windows and Office. This happens with Jaws 8 as well as Jaws 7.1. Sharon -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of one foxy lady Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:07 PM To: jaws help Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alt-Tab Hi Yall, Is there any rhyme or reason why sometimes when alt-tabbing from one app to another jaws will say something like task switching and other times it just says the application? Wondering if I'm doing something I'm not aware of over here for it to say this? Thanksya, Hailley -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006 1:12 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006 1:12 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date: 12/2/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date: 12/2/2006 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: Alt-Tab
I have a strange question also connected with alt tab. This problem only happened after a tech support call with Freedom Scientific, and I don't know what they told me to do to cause it but ever since . . . The only way to move between MS Word documents is with Control f6. Alt tab only switches between applications, and does not switch me from one doc to another in the same application. Also, if I close one document in MS Word, they all seem to close. This is driving my crazy since I have to work with multiple documents at once. Also, there are many times when Jaws can't read me the text but the window is maximized. It's like something is blocking it. The line just appears to be blank. Sometimes Jaws will read the same line twice when I'm actually on the line below that one. Anyone know what might possibly be going on? I don't feel like having our IT person have to completely reinstall Windows and Office. This happens with Jaws 8 as well as Jaws 7.1. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of one foxy lady Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:07 PM To: jaws help Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alt-Tab Hi Yall, Is there any rhyme or reason why sometimes when alt-tabbing from one app to another jaws will say something like task switching and other times it just says the application? Wondering if I'm doing something I'm not aware of over here for it to say this? Thanksya, Hailley -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
