Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS sighted assistance

2015-04-11 Thread Rose Combs
Yes, I spent three hours Thursday with a tech support person who said if it
worked on his computer it should on mine, but seldom if ever gave me a
chance to show him, nice man, but had absolutely no clues installed an IM
program that when I was in the window for was totally and completely silent
but he could mouse around with it so I should be able to do so, none of the
four cursors produced sound that was meaningful, not even blank.  After it
popped up one time to many making me need to start a report for the fourth
time, I uninstalled it, can't use it, was told by the training department
for the company that they knew it did not work and by a tech that he could
use it so what was my problem.  

It was a remote deal, and normally that has worked for me in the past but
this person never tried to truly understand, said he had worked with another
Jaws user and blamed the whole problem on Internet Explorer 11 and told me
to downgrade, can't do that or at least have not been able to because there
is no old version on this relatively new computer.  

At least my late husband tried to understand and kept a demo of Jaws on his
computer so he could work on problems I could not solve alone to see if
there really was a problem or a way to get around it.  Sometimes his
description of how everything was laid out helped tremendously.  What I get
lately is on the far right or on the left about half way down...  Then
they listen when I pull up a links list or tab forever before I find what
they were talking about or never find it.  I could accept some problems if I
were new to Jaws but have used it since 1998.  Where I in Window Eyes which
I do have on one computer here, I could see them saying I don't know the
program well, I do not know it, have played around with it for a couple of
hours one weekend, it isn't a horrible program but the command structure is
so different that I can't really make progress and would never put it on the
work computer where production is the name of the game.  


I have tried to learn scripting on a couple of occasions but, have not been
able to spend a lot of time with it, so although I can modify one if
necessary I can't figure how to write complex ones that may solve some of my
issues, but based on what I have seen probably not.  

Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Stan Bobbitt
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

This is so great that we're talking about this. It's been a major annoyance
for me as well over the years. I get so frustrated telling my girlfriend,
it's right there, JAWS is saying it, listen, hear what it is reading? She
does indeed hear what JAWS is saying but tells me that is not what she is
seeing on the screen. I sure hope there can be a solution, compromise, a fix
LOL.

StanB
-Original Message-
From: Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 10:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Well I guess this is a big concern for many on the list. I know Eric from FS
monitors this list and is fully sighted.
Hopefully he will take this to his team as it will require a sighted
developer/tech working on JAWS to come up with a solution

Best,
Al

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Right on, David - same here with Jim, who, incidentally, is a very patient
man.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

- Original Message -
From: David Moore jesusloves1...@gmail.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 4:00 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance


 Hi all, I have the same problem with my sighted wife,
Traci.  Here is
 what happens.  I have her listen to what JAWS is saying,
and then she
 will take the mouse and try to let me hear what she is
doing.
 However, as soon as she starts moving the mouse pointer,
JAWS causes
 the print on the screen to move all around so that she
cannot even use
 the mouse.  As soon as I turn JAWS off, she is able to use
the mouse
 just fine.  The problem is that I am not able to hear what
she is
 doing, so I never learn how to do it for myself.  That is
what people
 are trying to say.  It would be nice if the screen didn't
move all
 around and other weird activity when a sighted person is
moving the
 mouse around.  This is something that really needs brought
up to FS
 and I am so glad you are talking about this.  All of you
have a great
 one.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Subject: Re: an accessible translation programme that

2015-04-11 Thread Liuda Balcius
I tried your translator because I am always looking for a better one than I
already use.  It all works perfectly with JAWS 16, except I cannot find
where the translation actually appears.  I can do everything to that point.
Please tell me where it is.
Also, must I log-in and develop a log-in profile?
Thanks. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 4:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Subject: Re: an accessible translation programme that

I use www.babelfish.com.  It has worked very well for me.  You can type many
words in the edit field, and then choose what languages to translate what
you wrote into.  There are many languages to pick from from a combo box.
Also, www.babelfish.com allows you to translate entire web pages into the
same many languages.  I love it, and it is very JAWS friendly!  All of you
have a great one.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS sighted assistance

2015-04-11 Thread Carolyn Arnold
Rose, it does seem like that they feel like it is our responsibility about 
accessibility. Yet, I can say that the corporation I worked for said that 
they did research on accessibility, and of course I did. Fortunately for me, 
I was given a lot of the old work that was being phased out, so I was on a 
roll that I knew was going to stop, sort of acclimated myself to it. I hope 
something really good works out for you.


GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

- Original Message - 
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance



I suppose it could be worse but right now I don't know how, I just wish I'd
decided to take retirement rather than being talked into this venture, the
company has no clue how to be helpful, one person tells me something works
another that it doesn't and a third tells me it is my responsibility to 
make

it work, as if I can change their programming so all the boxes that are
supposed to drop do.  What is so annoying is that none of the four cursors
can deal with these boxes and what I don't understand is why some work 
with

the alt down arrow but others do not.

Off now to struggle with a web mail client that does have keyboard 
commands

for some of it but that I have not mastered in any sense of the word.
Outlook is dead in the water with a data error and was not doing all that
well with the multiple tables in a message, before it crashed I had a
message I'd been trying to read and was on about the 50th table, multiple
long pauses with Jaws, no way to use arrow keys, could not figure out 
where

the problem could be then crash and a message that gives me the path but
when I try to type it all in goes nowhere.

I have never liked web mail much and that opinion has not changed. 
However,

looks like I have no choice.

Part of me wants to just quit but another part wants to fight the issues,
the quitting part is starting to be the major part in the past few days.


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 3:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Frustrating and challenging place, Rose. I've been there, but my company
threw up it's hands, said they wished they could help me, but as we left
WordPerfect, with what they were using then, my screen reader wasn't going
to be adequate. Then, of course, for years transcription has paid by
production, so you are really in a hard place to be.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

- Original Message - 
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance



This is a problem that will probably never be solved as long as sighted
people can and will whip the mouse around and click, click as fast as 
they

can without regard as to whether we can find the problem.  Heaven forbid
they could take a minute to explain a setup.  I was on the phone with 
tech

support for work yesterday in fact, he could hear Jaws but if I said it
did
not work in Jaws he loaded it and then proceeded to use the mouse, never
taking into account that after he entered the program Jaws stopped
talking,
he swore it worked, made it a part of a startup sequence and later in the
day when it would I assume pop up, albeit silently and prevent me from
using
Word I ended up going to add/remove programs and take it away, it was a
messenger client, which I have not used before called Spark.  I don't 
even

have a messenger client on my computer so don't have a clue what might
work
with Jaws, it is the way they want us to stay intact, and the webmail
client
is a royal pain, takes much too long to get to what is needed, too many
wows! And whistles and no real simple layout that would make navigation
less
cumbersome.  My version of Outlook on that computer locked up Tuesday and
I
will have to find the file which is buried so deep it may never show up
again.  I am not fond of mile long path names either.  I want to go back
to
DOS and Word Perfect when menus worked and I could do almost anything 
with



a
computer.  That won't happen but I am finding that I hate programs that
use
a mouse, scroll bar, boxes that won't work no matter what commands are
used
and a company who said it all worked when probably 70% of it does not.





Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 7:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] 

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS sighted assistance

2015-04-11 Thread Carolyn Arnold

Rose, feel free to contact me off line:

4carol...@windstream.net

Been there; done that.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

- Original Message - 
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance



Well, I was able to work around some accessibility options at the hospital
itself but this outsource and new company, everyone is supposed to be
perfect, always upbeat and never argue with anyone about anything.  They 
can

tell me I am wrong but I can't tell them they are wrong.

If I had just started using Jaws in the past six months I might could see 
it
was my fault however, I am up-to-date, know what I can do unless you put 
me

in Excel or something similar.


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 11:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Rose, it does seem like that they feel like it is our responsibility about
accessibility. Yet, I can say that the corporation I worked for said that
they did research on accessibility, and of course I did. Fortunately for 
me,

I was given a lot of the old work that was being phased out, so I was on a
roll that I knew was going to stop, sort of acclimated myself to it. I 
hope

something really good works out for you.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

- Original Message -
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance


I suppose it could be worse but right now I don't know how, I just wish 
I'd
decided to take retirement rather than being talked into this venture, 
the
company has no clue how to be helpful, one person tells me something 
works

another that it doesn't and a third tells me it is my responsibility to
make
it work, as if I can change their programming so all the boxes that are
supposed to drop do.  What is so annoying is that none of the four 
cursors

can deal with these boxes and what I don't understand is why some work
with
the alt down arrow but others do not.

Off now to struggle with a web mail client that does have keyboard
commands
for some of it but that I have not mastered in any sense of the word.
Outlook is dead in the water with a data error and was not doing all that
well with the multiple tables in a message, before it crashed I had a
message I'd been trying to read and was on about the 50th table, multiple
long pauses with Jaws, no way to use arrow keys, could not figure out
where
the problem could be then crash and a message that gives me the path but
when I try to type it all in goes nowhere.

I have never liked web mail much and that opinion has not changed.
However,
looks like I have no choice.

Part of me wants to just quit but another part wants to fight the issues,
the quitting part is starting to be the major part in the past few days.


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 3:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Frustrating and challenging place, Rose. I've been there, but my company
threw up it's hands, said they wished they could help me, but as we left
WordPerfect, with what they were using then, my screen reader wasn't 
going

to be adequate. Then, of course, for years transcription has paid by
production, so you are really in a hard place to be.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

- Original Message - 
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance



This is a problem that will probably never be solved as long as sighted
people can and will whip the mouse around and click, click as fast as
they
can without regard as to whether we can find the problem.  Heaven forbid
they could take a minute to explain a setup.  I was on the phone with
tech
support for work yesterday in fact, he could hear Jaws but if I said it
did
not work in Jaws he loaded it and then proceeded to use the mouse, never
taking into account that after he entered the program Jaws stopped
talking,
he swore it worked, made it a part of a startup sequence and later in 
the

day when it would I assume pop up, albeit silently and prevent me from
using
Word I ended up going to add/remove programs and take it away, it was a
messenger client, which I have not used before called Spark.  I don't
even

Re: [JAWS-Users] A better accessible free online service to ripaudio/video from youtube.com

2015-04-11 Thread Rick Justice
Hi Steve,
On the Advanced tab, if you check the box to automatically paste URLs from 
the clipboard,
then you can skip the pasting step on all videos.
I use this method every time, works great.

HTH,
Rick Justice

Tomorrow's another day, another way!
and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved!

- Original Message - 
From: Steve pipeguy...@gmail.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A better accessible free online service to 
ripaudio/video from youtube.com


You can get the program free youtube to mp3 converter.

Once you install it, go to the advanced options and select the  checkbox to 
enable screen-reader mode.

When you find a video on youtube, just paste the address into your clipboard 
and copy it to the paste button on the Youtube to mp3 converter program.

There are combo boxes you can use to select the format for storing the 
videos and for  certain formats a quality combobox to select the bit rate in 
an mp3 file , for example.

I've downloaded hour long documentaries this way.

Steve
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From: Dujari, Prateek
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 6:56 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A better accessible free online service to rip 
audio/video from youtube.com


A lister offered this online service to rip audio off a youtube URL
http://www.youtube-mp3.org/ be
But this has a strict limitation of 20min or under that the youtube vid 
should be. I often rip longer interviews and documentaries as well as long 
concerts uploaded on youtube and the above tool fails for those 20min.
A universal free online alternative with no time restriction for the youtube 
video and one which is also totally accessible to JAWS is:
www.videoripper.me
this allows you to rip not just the audio but also both the audio and video 
in a single mp4 file.

Thx!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 3:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Reed,

Well wonder if this is working for mike and his wife? If so,
lets figure out why. I will check this setting out later

Al

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Reed Poynter
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Hi Mike,

I'm using Windows 7, IE 11 and JAWS 16.
This is an ongoing problem for us too.
I have Screen Track Virtual Cursor checked and it doesn't
seem to help.
When I want to show my wife something on a web page, she
inevitably can't see what I'm looking at.  It takes her
forever to find my spot; if she finds it at all.

Reed


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: April-08-15 1:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Hi Alan  List Members,

From what I've been told, if the, Screen Track Virtual
Cursor option is checked this will supposedly do what y'all
are wanting.  Here's the steps:

Here you go:
1. Press the, Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main
keyboard to open the Jaws Settings Center  then press,
Control, Shift, + D, to open Jaws Settings Center default
all applications.
2. Arrow down to, Web / HTML / PDFs,  press the right arrow
to open.
3. Arrow down to, Navigation,  press right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down to, Screen Tracks Virtual Cursor,  if this is
unchecked press the spacebar to check it.  If it's already
checked press the, Escape button, a couple of times to close
the Settings Center.
5. If you had to check the, Screen Tracks Virtual Cursor,
option tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab to okay, press
the spacebar to save your change  close the Settings
Center.
HTH
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

- Original Message -
From: Alan Robbins
To: Jaws-Users-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance


Hello,



Hoping for some direction here as my sighted wife and I have
this discussion frequently.



Is there a way for a sighted person to see on screen what I
am doing with JAWS? The only time this is important is when
I cannot accomplish something with JAWS and require a pair
of eyes. I will use JAWS to go to where I need help and my
wife has no idea of what I'm doing or where I am with JAWS
when looking at the screen. Is there any way around this? It
makes getting sighted assistance very difficult.



Best,

Al

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[JAWS-Users] Jaws Updates, bug or ...

2015-04-11 Thread Gradimir Kragic

Hi Mike,

I think this is a bug in JAWS latest version,  and not intended.

Take care.

Gradimir


From: Mike B. mb69ma...@charter.net
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws Updates?


Hi Gradimir,

You are correct.  I didn't notice it until I read your post  checked.  I
guess this build has done away with the, Menu and Dialog Voice adjustment
option.  I wonder if this is an oversight or, by design.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message - 
From: Gradimir Kragic
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws Updates?



Hi to all,

After update JAWS to the latest version in Voice Adjustment, I have not
option for Menu and Dialog Voice. Is it all right?

Gradimir


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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS sighted assistance Job site

2015-04-11 Thread Rose Combs
I will be 63 in July, had sort of been thinking of retiring at 62 before my
husband passed so we could spend quality time when he felt reasonably well
but, he passed at the end of May last year so retirement seems like a very
lonely place for me right now but this new job (my job of 38 years was
outsourced) it a challenge, and try as I might, I just am not happy at the
end of each day.  Hopefully I can hang in until my 90 days is up, after that
I will be straight production and no way will I make enough, although they
tried to tell me in January that I would.  

I am tempted every day to just give it up.  Most of the reason is the lack
of accessibility and the attitude that if I have the problem and can't solve
it with Jaws myself then too bad.  

I am not used to working for a corporation who seem to think you have to
perfect, productive and never ever express an opinion.  



Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of stormin
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 11:03 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance  Job site

Rose Combs,
There is two reasons that I retired. One being my age and old enough to do
so. The second is that the job-site was becoming what you are dealing with.
For 14 years with Each level of Jaws and some script writing, the program
worked just fine on all levels! I am not a Braille person so those machines
did nothing for me. Though if one knew Braille as two other blind persons'
working at my site. They went far, just burned out. Anyway the last 8 months
they were making big time changes in the format. Exactly what you are
talking about. Some scripting worked but as soon as up-dates were added then
gone. JAVA of their own had some to do with it but and yet it was the battle
of the pull down of  a window inside a window inside a window. If this is
what you are dealing with good luck. Internal e-mailing and fast mailing by
the bullenton board was never a issue... So good luck! Geno retired now

I suppose it could be worse but right now I don't know how, I just wish I'd
decided to take retirement rather than being talked into this venture, the
company has no clue how to be helpful, one person tells me something works
another that it doesn't and a third tells me it is my responsibility to make
it work, as if I can change their programming so all the boxes that are
supposed to drop do.  What is so annoying is that none of the four cursors
can deal with these boxes and what I don't understand is why some work with
the alt down arrow but others do not.  

Off now to struggle with a web mail client that does have keyboard commands
for some of it but that I have not mastered in any sense of the word.
Outlook is dead in the water with a data error and was not doing all that
well with the multiple tables in a message, before it crashed I had a
message I'd been trying to read and was on about the 50th table, multiple
long pauses with Jaws, no way to use arrow keys, could not figure out where
the problem could be then crash and a message that gives me the path but
when I try to type it all in goes nowhere.  

I have never liked web mail much and that opinion has not changed.  However,
looks like I have no choice.  

Part of me wants to just quit but another part wants to fight the issues,
the quitting part is starting to be the major part in the past few days.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 3:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Frustrating and challenging place, Rose. I've been there, but my company
threw up it's hands, said they wished they could help me, but as we left
WordPerfect, with what they were using then, my screen reader wasn't going
to be adequate. Then, of course, for years transcription has paid by
production, so you are really in a hard place to be.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

- Original Message -
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance


 This is a problem that will probably never be solved as long as sighted
 people can and will whip the mouse around and click, click as fast as they
 can without regard as to whether we can find the problem.  Heaven forbid
 they could take a minute to explain a setup.  I was on the phone with tech
 support for work yesterday in fact, he could hear Jaws but if I said it 
 did
 not work in Jaws he loaded it and then proceeded to use the mouse, never
 taking into account that after he entered the 

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS sighted assistance

2015-04-11 Thread Rose Combs
Well, I was able to work around some accessibility options at the hospital
itself but this outsource and new company, everyone is supposed to be
perfect, always upbeat and never argue with anyone about anything.  They can
tell me I am wrong but I can't tell them they are wrong.  

If I had just started using Jaws in the past six months I might could see it
was my fault however, I am up-to-date, know what I can do unless you put me
in Excel or something similar.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 11:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Rose, it does seem like that they feel like it is our responsibility about
accessibility. Yet, I can say that the corporation I worked for said that
they did research on accessibility, and of course I did. Fortunately for me,
I was given a lot of the old work that was being phased out, so I was on a
roll that I knew was going to stop, sort of acclimated myself to it. I hope
something really good works out for you.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

- Original Message -
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance


I suppose it could be worse but right now I don't know how, I just wish I'd
 decided to take retirement rather than being talked into this venture, the
 company has no clue how to be helpful, one person tells me something works
 another that it doesn't and a third tells me it is my responsibility to 
 make
 it work, as if I can change their programming so all the boxes that are
 supposed to drop do.  What is so annoying is that none of the four cursors
 can deal with these boxes and what I don't understand is why some work 
 with
 the alt down arrow but others do not.

 Off now to struggle with a web mail client that does have keyboard 
 commands
 for some of it but that I have not mastered in any sense of the word.
 Outlook is dead in the water with a data error and was not doing all that
 well with the multiple tables in a message, before it crashed I had a
 message I'd been trying to read and was on about the 50th table, multiple
 long pauses with Jaws, no way to use arrow keys, could not figure out 
 where
 the problem could be then crash and a message that gives me the path but
 when I try to type it all in goes nowhere.

 I have never liked web mail much and that opinion has not changed. 
 However,
 looks like I have no choice.

 Part of me wants to just quit but another part wants to fight the issues,
 the quitting part is starting to be the major part in the past few days.


 Rose Combs
 roseco...@q.com
 A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
 memory!


 -Original Message-
 From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
 Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 3:46 PM
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

 Frustrating and challenging place, Rose. I've been there, but my company
 threw up it's hands, said they wished they could help me, but as we left
 WordPerfect, with what they were using then, my screen reader wasn't going
 to be adequate. Then, of course, for years transcription has paid by
 production, so you are really in a hard place to be.

 GIFT (God is forever true),

 Carolyn

 - Original Message - 
 From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 4:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance


 This is a problem that will probably never be solved as long as sighted
 people can and will whip the mouse around and click, click as fast as 
 they
 can without regard as to whether we can find the problem.  Heaven forbid
 they could take a minute to explain a setup.  I was on the phone with 
 tech
 support for work yesterday in fact, he could hear Jaws but if I said it
 did
 not work in Jaws he loaded it and then proceeded to use the mouse, never
 taking into account that after he entered the program Jaws stopped
 talking,
 he swore it worked, made it a part of a startup sequence and later in the
 day when it would I assume pop up, albeit silently and prevent me from
 using
 Word I ended up going to add/remove programs and take it away, it was a
 messenger client, which I have not used before called Spark.  I don't 
 even
 have a messenger client on my computer so don't have a clue what might
 work
 with Jaws, it is the way they want us to stay intact, and the webmail
 client
 is a royal pain, takes much too long to get to what is needed, too many
 wows! And whistles and no real simple layout 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Malwarebytes!

2015-04-11 Thread Mike B.
Hi Bob,

Would you please share with the list the problems  how they were resolved 
that Joey is having with Jaws  MWB?  Many people on the list use or want to 
use MWB  would like to learn anything new about the program they can.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message - 
From: Bob Edenhofer
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 7:05 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Malwarebytes!


Hi Mike B, I sent Joey an email to his private email address, so I’ll take 
care of it and help him myself, thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A better accessible free online service to ripaudio/video from youtube.com

2015-04-11 Thread Kevin Lee
this is a desktop program?  it's not from dvdvideosoft is it, this package 
gives me a headache!

if it's not where do you download it?

-Original Message- 
From: Steve

Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 10:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A better accessible free online service to 
ripaudio/video from youtube.com


You can get the program free youtube to mp3 converter.

Once you install it, go to the advanced options and select the  checkbox to 
enable screen-reader mode.


When you find a video on youtube, just paste the address into your clipboard 
and copy it to the paste button on the Youtube to mp3 converter program.


There are combo boxes you can use to select the format for storing the 
videos and for  certain formats a quality combobox to select the bit rate in 
an mp3 file , for example.


I've downloaded hour long documentaries this way.

Steve
- Original Message - 
From: Dujari, Prateek

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 6:56 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A better accessible free online service to rip 
audio/video from youtube.com



A lister offered this online service to rip audio off a youtube URL
http://www.youtube-mp3.org/ be
But this has a strict limitation of 20min or under that the youtube vid 
should be. I often rip longer interviews and documentaries as well as long 
concerts uploaded on youtube and the above tool fails for those 20min.
A universal free online alternative with no time restriction for the youtube 
video and one which is also totally accessible to JAWS is:

www.videoripper.me
this allows you to rip not just the audio but also both the audio and video 
in a single mp4 file.


Thx!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Alan Robbins

Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 3:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Reed,

Well wonder if this is working for mike and his wife? If so,
lets figure out why. I will check this setting out later

Al

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Reed Poynter
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Hi Mike,

I'm using Windows 7, IE 11 and JAWS 16.
This is an ongoing problem for us too.
I have Screen Track Virtual Cursor checked and it doesn't
seem to help.
When I want to show my wife something on a web page, she
inevitably can't see what I'm looking at.  It takes her
forever to find my spot; if she finds it at all.

Reed


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: April-08-15 1:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Hi Alan  List Members,


From what I've been told, if the, Screen Track Virtual

Cursor option is checked this will supposedly do what y'all
are wanting.  Here's the steps:

Here you go:
1. Press the, Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main
keyboard to open the Jaws Settings Center  then press,
Control, Shift, + D, to open Jaws Settings Center default
all applications.
2. Arrow down to, Web / HTML / PDFs,  press the right arrow
to open.
3. Arrow down to, Navigation,  press right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down to, Screen Tracks Virtual Cursor,  if this is
unchecked press the spacebar to check it.  If it's already
checked press the, Escape button, a couple of times to close
the Settings Center.
5. If you had to check the, Screen Tracks Virtual Cursor,
option tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab to okay, press
the spacebar to save your change  close the Settings
Center.
HTH
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

- Original Message -
From: Alan Robbins
To: Jaws-Users-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance


Hello,



Hoping for some direction here as my sighted wife and I have
this discussion frequently.



Is there a way for a sighted person to see on screen what I
am doing with JAWS? The only time this is important is when
I cannot accomplish something with JAWS and require a pair
of eyes. I will use JAWS to go to where I need help and my
wife has no idea of what I'm doing or where I am with JAWS
when looking at the screen. Is there any way around this? It
makes getting sighted assistance very difficult.



Best,

Al

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws Updates?

2015-04-11 Thread Mike B.
Hi Gradimir,

You are correct.  I didn't notice it until I read your post  checked.  I 
guess this build has done away with the, Menu and Dialog Voice adjustment 
option.  I wonder if this is an oversight or, by design.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message - 
From: Gradimir Kragic
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws Updates?



Hi to all,

After update JAWS to the latest version in Voice Adjustment, I have not
option for Menu and Dialog Voice. Is it all right?

Gradimir

From: david davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 9:05 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws Updates?



here's the links;
sorry, the first one's were broken;

64bit:

http://tinyurl.com/lrer7om

32bit:

http://tinyurl.com/lwmsy8u

or, the page is;

http://freedomscientific.com/Downloads/


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jo Luland
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 2:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws Updates?

Hi,
Does anyone have the link to the latest update of JAWS16? If not the link,
then what page do I look for? Thanks in advance.
Jo


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[JAWS-Users] while in a skype call, jaws voice comes in laptop speaker while call voice in earphone

2015-04-11 Thread Mohib Anwar Rafay
Hey friends, I am using dell laptop. I have installed skype in it. But
I am facing a problem while using skype in it. Whenever I am in a call
through skype, jaws sound comes from the laptop speaker and not from
my headphone. While call voice comes through my headphone. What may be
the problem? I am using jaws 16 in win 7 with latest skype.

-- 
Mohib Anwar Rafay

Phone: +919 555 555 765 / +9192 7879 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] A better accessible free online service to rip audio/video from youtube.com

2015-04-11 Thread Steve
You can get the program free youtube to mp3 converter.  

Once you install it, go to the advanced options and select the  checkbox to 
enable screen-reader mode.

When you find a video on youtube, just paste the address into your clipboard 
and copy it to the paste button on the Youtube to mp3 converter program.  

There are combo boxes you can use to select the format for storing the videos 
and for  certain formats a quality combobox to select the bit rate in an mp3 
file , for example.

I've downloaded hour long documentaries this way.

Steve 
- Original Message - 
From: Dujari, Prateek 
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 6:56 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A better accessible free online service to rip 
audio/video from youtube.com


A lister offered this online service to rip audio off a youtube URL
http://www.youtube-mp3.org/ be 
But this has a strict limitation of 20min or under that the youtube vid should 
be. I often rip longer interviews and documentaries as well as long concerts 
uploaded on youtube and the above tool fails for those 20min.
A universal free online alternative with no time restriction for the youtube 
video and one which is also totally accessible to JAWS is:
www.videoripper.me
this allows you to rip not just the audio but also both the audio and video in 
a single mp4 file.

Thx!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 3:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Reed,

Well wonder if this is working for mike and his wife? If so,
lets figure out why. I will check this setting out later

Al

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Reed Poynter
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Hi Mike,

I'm using Windows 7, IE 11 and JAWS 16.
This is an ongoing problem for us too.
I have Screen Track Virtual Cursor checked and it doesn't
seem to help.  
When I want to show my wife something on a web page, she
inevitably can't see what I'm looking at.  It takes her
forever to find my spot; if she finds it at all.

Reed


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: April-08-15 1:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Hi Alan  List Members,

From what I've been told, if the, Screen Track Virtual
Cursor option is checked this will supposedly do what y'all
are wanting.  Here's the steps:

Here you go:
1. Press the, Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main
keyboard to open the Jaws Settings Center  then press,
Control, Shift, + D, to open Jaws Settings Center default
all applications.
2. Arrow down to, Web / HTML / PDFs,  press the right arrow
to open.
3. Arrow down to, Navigation,  press right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down to, Screen Tracks Virtual Cursor,  if this is
unchecked press the spacebar to check it.  If it's already
checked press the, Escape button, a couple of times to close
the Settings Center.
5. If you had to check the, Screen Tracks Virtual Cursor,
option tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab to okay, press
the spacebar to save your change  close the Settings
Center.
HTH
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

- Original Message -
From: Alan Robbins
To: Jaws-Users-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance


Hello,



Hoping for some direction here as my sighted wife and I have
this discussion frequently.



Is there a way for a sighted person to see on screen what I
am doing with JAWS? The only time this is important is when
I cannot accomplish something with JAWS and require a pair
of eyes. I will use JAWS to go to where I need help and my
wife has no idea of what I'm doing or where I am with JAWS
when looking at the screen. Is there any way around this? It
makes getting sighted assistance very difficult.



Best,

Al

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS sighted assistance

2015-04-11 Thread Rose Combs
I suppose it could be worse but right now I don't know how, I just wish I'd
decided to take retirement rather than being talked into this venture, the
company has no clue how to be helpful, one person tells me something works
another that it doesn't and a third tells me it is my responsibility to make
it work, as if I can change their programming so all the boxes that are
supposed to drop do.  What is so annoying is that none of the four cursors
can deal with these boxes and what I don't understand is why some work with
the alt down arrow but others do not.  

Off now to struggle with a web mail client that does have keyboard commands
for some of it but that I have not mastered in any sense of the word.
Outlook is dead in the water with a data error and was not doing all that
well with the multiple tables in a message, before it crashed I had a
message I'd been trying to read and was on about the 50th table, multiple
long pauses with Jaws, no way to use arrow keys, could not figure out where
the problem could be then crash and a message that gives me the path but
when I try to type it all in goes nowhere.  

I have never liked web mail much and that opinion has not changed.  However,
looks like I have no choice.  

Part of me wants to just quit but another part wants to fight the issues,
the quitting part is starting to be the major part in the past few days.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 3:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Frustrating and challenging place, Rose. I've been there, but my company 
threw up it's hands, said they wished they could help me, but as we left 
WordPerfect, with what they were using then, my screen reader wasn't going 
to be adequate. Then, of course, for years transcription has paid by 
production, so you are really in a hard place to be.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

- Original Message - 
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance


 This is a problem that will probably never be solved as long as sighted
 people can and will whip the mouse around and click, click as fast as they
 can without regard as to whether we can find the problem.  Heaven forbid
 they could take a minute to explain a setup.  I was on the phone with tech
 support for work yesterday in fact, he could hear Jaws but if I said it 
 did
 not work in Jaws he loaded it and then proceeded to use the mouse, never
 taking into account that after he entered the program Jaws stopped 
 talking,
 he swore it worked, made it a part of a startup sequence and later in the
 day when it would I assume pop up, albeit silently and prevent me from 
 using
 Word I ended up going to add/remove programs and take it away, it was a
 messenger client, which I have not used before called Spark.  I don't even
 have a messenger client on my computer so don't have a clue what might 
 work
 with Jaws, it is the way they want us to stay intact, and the webmail 
 client
 is a royal pain, takes much too long to get to what is needed, too many
 wows! And whistles and no real simple layout that would make navigation 
 less
 cumbersome.  My version of Outlook on that computer locked up Tuesday and 
 I
 will have to find the file which is buried so deep it may never show up
 again.  I am not fond of mile long path names either.  I want to go back 
 to
 DOS and Word Perfect when menus worked and I could do almost anything with

 a
 computer.  That won't happen but I am finding that I hate programs that 
 use
 a mouse, scroll bar, boxes that won't work no matter what commands are 
 used
 and a company who said it all worked when probably 70% of it does not.





 Rose Combs
 roseco...@q.com
 A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
 memory!


 -Original Message-
 From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
 Behalf Of Alan Robbins
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 7:25 AM
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

 Well I guess this is a big concern for many on the list. I
 know Eric from FS monitors this list and is fully sighted.
 Hopefully he will take this to his team as it will require a
 sighted developer/tech working on JAWS to come up with a
 solution

 Best,
 Al

 -Original Message-
 From: JAWS-Users-List
 [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
 Carolyn Arnold
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:30 AM
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted
 assistance

 Right on, David - same here with Jim, who, 

[JAWS-Users] JAWS sighted assistance Job site

2015-04-11 Thread stormin
Rose Combs,
There is two reasons that I retired. One being my age and old enough to do
so. The second is that the job-site was becoming what you are dealing with.
For 14 years with Each level of Jaws and some script writing, the program
worked just fine on all levels! I am not a Braille person so those machines
did nothing for me. Though if one knew Braille as two other blind persons'
working at my site. They went far, just burned out. Anyway the last 8 months
they were making big time changes in the format. Exactly what you are
talking about. Some scripting worked but as soon as up-dates were added then
gone. JAVA of their own had some to do with it but and yet it was the battle
of the pull down of  a window inside a window inside a window. If this is
what you are dealing with good luck. Internal e-mailing and fast mailing by
the bullenton board was never a issue... So good luck! Geno retired now

I suppose it could be worse but right now I don't know how, I just wish I'd
decided to take retirement rather than being talked into this venture, the
company has no clue how to be helpful, one person tells me something works
another that it doesn't and a third tells me it is my responsibility to make
it work, as if I can change their programming so all the boxes that are
supposed to drop do.  What is so annoying is that none of the four cursors
can deal with these boxes and what I don't understand is why some work with
the alt down arrow but others do not.  

Off now to struggle with a web mail client that does have keyboard commands
for some of it but that I have not mastered in any sense of the word.
Outlook is dead in the water with a data error and was not doing all that
well with the multiple tables in a message, before it crashed I had a
message I'd been trying to read and was on about the 50th table, multiple
long pauses with Jaws, no way to use arrow keys, could not figure out where
the problem could be then crash and a message that gives me the path but
when I try to type it all in goes nowhere.  

I have never liked web mail much and that opinion has not changed.  However,
looks like I have no choice.  

Part of me wants to just quit but another part wants to fight the issues,
the quitting part is starting to be the major part in the past few days.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 3:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

Frustrating and challenging place, Rose. I've been there, but my company 
threw up it's hands, said they wished they could help me, but as we left 
WordPerfect, with what they were using then, my screen reader wasn't going 
to be adequate. Then, of course, for years transcription has paid by 
production, so you are really in a hard place to be.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

- Original Message - 
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance


 This is a problem that will probably never be solved as long as sighted
 people can and will whip the mouse around and click, click as fast as they
 can without regard as to whether we can find the problem.  Heaven forbid
 they could take a minute to explain a setup.  I was on the phone with tech
 support for work yesterday in fact, he could hear Jaws but if I said it 
 did
 not work in Jaws he loaded it and then proceeded to use the mouse, never
 taking into account that after he entered the program Jaws stopped 
 talking,
 he swore it worked, made it a part of a startup sequence and later in the
 day when it would I assume pop up, albeit silently and prevent me from 
 using
 Word I ended up going to add/remove programs and take it away, it was a
 messenger client, which I have not used before called Spark.  I don't even
 have a messenger client on my computer so don't have a clue what might 
 work
 with Jaws, it is the way they want us to stay intact, and the webmail 
 client
 is a royal pain, takes much too long to get to what is needed, too many
 wows! And whistles and no real simple layout that would make navigation 
 less
 cumbersome.  My version of Outlook on that computer locked up Tuesday and 
 I
 will have to find the file which is buried so deep it may never show up
 again.  I am not fond of mile long path names either.  I want to go back 
 to
 DOS and Word Perfect when menus worked and I could do almost anything with

 a
 computer.  That won't happen but I am finding that I hate programs that 
 use
 a mouse, scroll bar, boxes that won't work no matter what commands are 
 used
 and a company who said it all worked when probably 70% of it does not.





 Rose Combs
 roseco...@q.com
 A picture may be 

Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] Malwarebytes

2015-04-11 Thread Dave Carlson
Well, that's a relief.
Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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Subject: [Bulk] [JAWS-Users] Malwarebytes


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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS sighted assistance

2015-04-11 Thread Tom Clary
 here, here. i'd have never known this happened unless this question
hadn't been asked

On 4/10/15, Stan Bobbitt sbobb...@triad.rr.com wrote:
 This is so great that we're talking about this. It's been a major annoyance

 for me as well over the years. I get so frustrated telling my girlfriend,
 it's right there, JAWS is saying it, listen, hear what it is reading? She
 does indeed hear what JAWS is saying but tells me that is not what she is
 seeing on the screen. I sure hope there can be a solution, compromise, a fix

 LOL.

 StanB
 -Original Message-
 From: Alan Robbins
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 10:25 AM
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance

 Well I guess this is a big concern for many on the list. I
 know Eric from FS monitors this list and is fully sighted.
 Hopefully he will take this to his team as it will require a
 sighted developer/tech working on JAWS to come up with a
 solution

 Best,
 Al

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 From: JAWS-Users-List
 [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
 Carolyn Arnold
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:30 AM
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted
 assistance

 Right on, David - same here with Jim, who, incidentally, is
 a very patient man.

 GIFT (God is forever true),

 Carolyn

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 From: David Moore jesusloves1...@gmail.com
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 4:00 AM
 Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS  sighted assistance


 Hi all, I have the same problem with my sighted wife,
 Traci.  Here is
 what happens.  I have her listen to what JAWS is saying,
 and then she
 will take the mouse and try to let me hear what she is
 doing.
 However, as soon as she starts moving the mouse pointer,
 JAWS causes
 the print on the screen to move all around so that she
 cannot even use
 the mouse.  As soon as I turn JAWS off, she is able to use
 the mouse
 just fine.  The problem is that I am not able to hear what
 she is
 doing, so I never learn how to do it for myself.  That is
 what people
 are trying to say.  It would be nice if the screen didn't
 move all
 around and other weird activity when a sighted person is
 moving the
 mouse around.  This is something that really needs brought
 up to FS
 and I am so glad you are talking about this.  All of you
 have a great
 one.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws with MS Word 2013

2015-04-11 Thread rhs
The problem arose with the latest build.  I have not had this problem before
while using JFW 16.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 8:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws with MS Word 2013

Doesn't the latest jaws build for 16 correct this?


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 5:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws with MS Word 2013

Hello,
Yes I did experience this just now when trying it on a document. I also
noticed that turning on the navigation quick keys in Word and pressing the p
key has the same affect.


On 4/9/15, r...@q.com r...@q.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I just installed the latest Jaws on my Windows 7 computer.  In MS Word
 2013 it does not read paragraphs as I press control+down arrow through 
 the document.  It moves the cursor to the next or previous paragraph 
 but does not read it.  Has anyone else noticed this?


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[JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users] JAWS sighted assistance

2015-04-11 Thread David Ferrin
OK boys and girls, it's time to pull the plug on this thread. We've allowed
the ranting to go on long enough but it is time to move on to other more
important things like will the penguins make the play offs. 

Just kidding on that last although it is a concern to me at least.

David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from
a simpler system that worked perfectly.


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[JAWS-Users] Malwarebytes

2015-04-11 Thread Bob Edenhofer
Mike B, their weren’t any problems to begin with, it’s all good.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Malwarebytes

2015-04-11 Thread Mike B.
Hi Bob,

Thank you for letting us know.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

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[JAWS-Users] Latest JAWS 16 Update and Thunderbird Bug

2015-04-11 Thread Rob

Hello Group,

  I seem to have found a problem with the latest release of the JAWS 16 
update and viewing a large e-mail message in Thunderbird. For example I 
receive this group as a digest message (last message was 123K in size), 
and when I open it and for instance, hold down the down arrow key to 
move rapidly down into the message, JAWS get sluggish and eventually 
freezes and then crashes.
  So first I tried installing the previous update. The installer told 
me I had to remove the current version before it would allow an install 
of the older version.
  So I uninstalled JAWS and installed the January update release. Still 
broken.
  Then I uninstalled JAWS again and also removed my current settings. 
installed the January update release again. Still broken.
  This time, uninstalled JAWS again, my settings, and additionally, the 
shared components. Installed the January update release, and the problem 
was gone.
  So apparently, whatever file contains the bug, is put into the shared 
components folder so simply removing the latest update and installing an 
older version won't fix the problem as the file(s) with the problem 
remains within the shared components.
  So, not knowing what other Freedom applications I may have broken by 
removing the shared file components, I had to recover from a previous 
back up which fortunately I had made recently. So there went an entire 
day of fooling around just to get back to where I was the day before.
  I will report this to tech support so they can look into the problem 
and hopefully fix it. I just wanted to let the group know that if you 
find an issue with the latest update, you might have to remove the 
shared components before installing an older release to resolve the problem.


Rob

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