Re: [JAWS-Users] Getting Answers
Hi Jack, I think I should point out one error in your theory. In that, like you, I too find Google to be a valuable resource, but not when it comes to learning how to do things for the blind. A good example of this is the ability to activate a hyperlink in a word document. The program says to use the keystroke of control+enter to activate the link, yet when I do that, it does nothing. I also think that some of the ways to do the things most people do on the net, don't necessarily have the blind in mind when they do this. A friend of mine in England is studying computers, and one of the computer courses she's taking has to do with word. One of the tasks she had to do with Word the other day was create a mail merge data and form letter. Well, she had a perfectly Brailed text book in front of her, yet it told her to click on this button, or that button, and never gave any keystrokes. I mean, granted, one can access the buttons on the toolbar by pressing the alt key, followed by the control+tab key to cycle through the available toolbars, but the darn thing just wouldn't say that. It was left up to the blind student's devices to get to the toolbar, until I taught her the keystroke for accessing the toolbar without needing to right click on the icons. Grins. In any case, I just wanted to point out that, in most cases, Google is a great resource, but only when not dealing with computer information for the blind. Grins. Victor Co-moderator Blind Movie Buffs List Guidedogs List Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to jaws-users-list-le...@jaws-users.com For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: jaws-users-list-requ...@jaws-users.com Use the following address in order to contact the management team jaws-users-list-ow...@jaws-users.com If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: blind-computing-j...@jaws-users.com
Re: [JAWS-Users] Getting Answers
You are correct if you're talking exclusively about Jaws specific commands. But more times than not, the information being requested is of a general nature, like David's question about how to alphabetize a list in a .doc file. I found the instructions on how to do it on line. My thinking is that it never hurts to explore as many options as you can when looking for an answer to a problem. Jack - Original Message - From: Victor victor.gouv...@rogers.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Getting Answers Hi Jack, I think I should point out one error in your theory. In that, like you, I too find Google to be a valuable resource, but not when it comes to learning how to do things for the blind. A good example of this is the ability to activate a hyperlink in a word document. The program says to use the keystroke of control+enter to activate the link, yet when I do that, it does nothing. I also think that some of the ways to do the things most people do on the net, don't necessarily have the blind in mind when they do this. A friend of mine in England is studying computers, and one of the computer courses she's taking has to do with word. One of the tasks she had to do with Word the other day was create a mail merge data and form letter. Well, she had a perfectly Brailed text book in front of her, yet it told her to click on this button, or that button, and never gave any keystrokes. I mean, granted, one can access the buttons on the toolbar by pressing the alt key, followed by the control+tab key to cycle through the available toolbars, but the darn thing just wouldn't say that. It was left up to the blind student's devices to get to the toolbar, until I taught her the keystroke for accessing the toolbar without needing to right click on the icons. Grins. In any case, I just wanted to point out that, in most cases, Google is a great resource, but only when not dealing with computer information for the blind. Grins. Victor Co-moderator Blind Movie Buffs List Guidedogs List Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to jaws-users-list-le...@jaws-users.com For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: jaws-users-list-requ...@jaws-users.com Use the following address in order to contact the management team jaws-users-list-ow...@jaws-users.com If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: blind-computing-j...@jaws-users.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to jaws-users-list-le...@jaws-users.com For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: jaws-users-list-requ...@jaws-users.com Use the following address in order to contact the management team jaws-users-list-ow...@jaws-users.com If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: blind-computing-j...@jaws-users.com
Re: [JAWS-Users] Getting Answers
Hi Jack, I agree with you on that score. The only thing is that I always include the word blind at the end of the string, or the word shortcut, which usually invariably always leads me to get the keyboard shortcut for that specific function, and, nine times out of ten, the hits usually tend to come from a blindness source, as opposed to a generalized source that will sometimes not help because that keyboards shortcut has been disabled by Jaws' own keyboard assignment. In any case, that's how I do it, so a difference of practicality will sometimes work for some, and not work for others. Grins. Victor Co-moderator Blind Movie Buffs List Guidedogs List Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to jaws-users-list-le...@jaws-users.com For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: jaws-users-list-requ...@jaws-users.com Use the following address in order to contact the management team jaws-users-list-ow...@jaws-users.com If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: blind-computing-j...@jaws-users.com
Re: [JAWS-Users] Getting Answers
Hi I have to agree with this sentament. Google fine for other tasks, but haven't found useful when searching about blindness stuff and that's why I end up asking so many questions on the list...no other place to do it. Karen and Harpo - Original Message - From: Victor victor.gouv...@rogers.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Getting Answers Hi Jack, I think I should point out one error in your theory. In that, like you, I too find Google to be a valuable resource, but not when it comes to learning how to do things for the blind. A good example of this is the ability to activate a hyperlink in a word document. The program says to use the keystroke of control+enter to activate the link, yet when I do that, it does nothing. I also think that some of the ways to do the things most people do on the net, don't necessarily have the blind in mind when they do this. A friend of mine in England is studying computers, and one of the computer courses she's taking has to do with word. One of the tasks she had to do with Word the other day was create a mail merge data and form letter. Well, she had a perfectly Brailed text book in front of her, yet it told her to click on this button, or that button, and never gave any keystrokes. I mean, granted, one can access the buttons on the toolbar by pressing the alt key, followed by the control+tab key to cycle through the available toolbars, but the darn thing just wouldn't say that. It was left up to the blind student's devices to get to the toolbar, until I taught her the keystroke for accessing the toolbar without needing to right click on the icons. Grins. In any case, I just wanted to point out that, in most cases, Google is a great resource, but only when not dealing with computer information for the blind. Grins. Victor Co-moderator Blind Movie Buffs List Guidedogs List Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to jaws-users-list-le...@jaws-users.com For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: jaws-users-list-requ...@jaws-users.com Use the following address in order to contact the management team jaws-users-list-ow...@jaws-users.com If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: blind-computing-j...@jaws-users.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to jaws-users-list-le...@jaws-users.com For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: jaws-users-list-requ...@jaws-users.com Use the following address in order to contact the management team jaws-users-list-ow...@jaws-users.com If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: blind-computing-j...@jaws-users.com
Re: [JAWS-Users] Getting Answers
in a way your right and also half wrong. Searching the web for info no matter what search you like to use. Can be more then help. it shows you how it is done and documented. no one out there rights software for the blind in mind, but for those that mouse all day long. So you take there directions and learn your screen reader. Knowing both of those facts will give you almost any answer you are looking on how to do something with software. Then when tried a few things and played around. The questions come out on lists like this. And more than likely a answer comes out and soles the problem. you can adapt products to our needs, but you can't adapt a world that is made by design for those not blind. At 02:34 PM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Hi I have to agree with this sentament. Google fine for other tasks, but haven't found useful when searching about blindness stuff and that's why I end up asking so many questions on the list...no other place to do it. Karen and Harpo - Original Message - From: Victor victor.gouv...@rogers.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Getting Answers Hi Jack, I think I should point out one error in your theory. In that, like you, I too find Google to be a valuable resource, but not when it comes to learning how to do things for the blind. A good example of this is the ability to activate a hyperlink in a word document. The program says to use the keystroke of control+enter to activate the link, yet when I do that, it does nothing. I also think that some of the ways to do the things most people do on the net, don't necessarily have the blind in mind when they do this. A friend of mine in England is studying computers, and one of the computer courses she's taking has to do with word. One of the tasks she had to do with Word the other day was create a mail merge data and form letter. Well, she had a perfectly Brailed text book in front of her, yet it told her to click on this button, or that button, and never gave any keystrokes. I mean, granted, one can access the buttons on the toolbar by pressing the alt key, followed by the control+tab key to cycle through the available toolbars, but the darn thing just wouldn't say that. It was left up to the blind student's devices to get to the toolbar, until I taught her the keystroke for accessing the toolbar without needing to right click on the icons. Grins. In any case, I just wanted to point out that, in most cases, Google is a great resource, but only when not dealing with computer information for the blind. Grins. Victor Co-moderator Blind Movie Buffs List Guidedogs List Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to jaws-users-list-le...@jaws-users.com For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: jaws-users-list-requ...@jaws-users.com Use the following address in order to contact the management team jaws-users-list-ow...@jaws-users.com If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: blind-computing-j...@jaws-users.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to jaws-users-list-le...@jaws-users.com For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: jaws-users-list-requ...@jaws-users.com Use the following address in order to contact the management team jaws-users-list-ow...@jaws-users.com If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: blind-computing-j...@jaws-users.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to jaws-users-list-le...@jaws-users.com For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: jaws-users-list-requ...@jaws-users.com Use the following address in order to contact the management team jaws-users-list-ow...@jaws-users.com If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: blind-computing-j...@jaws-users.com
