Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening PDF documents in Acrobat Reader instead of a browser such as IE, revisited
Hi John and Linda The Freedom Scientific instructions for opening a PDF document in Acrobat Reader instead of IE were at the bottom of my original email, and therefore are also at the bottom of this email. If I try to virtualize the IE window, JAWS just tells me that the window is already virtualized. However, I can do a control+a to select all the text in the IE window and then copy it and paste it into a text document. But I only get portions of the PDF document. Also, I misspoke when I said the PDF document was readable in the IE window. Again only random parts of the document are read. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of john_Justice Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 07:57 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening PDF documents in Acrobat Reader instead of a browser such as IE, revisited Hello Mike, I have two reasons for responding to your original message. Can you send me the procedure for setting up Adobe Acrobat to open in the manner you described? Once your .pdf document is displayed, can you virtualize the screen and copy the document in that way? The only issue I can see there is that you'd have an interesting challenge with documents having multiple pages. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:05 PM To: jaws-users-list Subject: [JAWS-Users] Opening PDF documents in Acrobat Reader instead of a browser such as IE, revisited Hi I had made the changes to the Adobe Reader startup Accessibility Assistant and accessibility preferences that were recommended by FS. PDF documents were being opened in Adobe Reader as expected until I accepted the download and installation of the latest version of Adobe Reader, titled Adobe Acrobat Reader DC, version 15.009.20079. Now, when I press enter or space on a web site link to download a PDF document, it just opens up in a new IE window. This new IE window has no menus, including the context menu brought up by the applications key or shift F10, no link and no buttons to be able to download it. The PDF document is processed by Adobe reader and can be read with JAWS. But there is no way to save it to my computer. I know that on some web sites, when I'm positioned on a link, I can bring up the context menu and press enter on the Save as option to download the document. But many of the sites from which I download PDF documents, the save as option is grayed and unavailable. This behavior exists using both JAWS 16 and 17. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Pinky Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:00 To: JAWS-Users-List 2 Subject: [JAWS-Users] FS way of making PDF files load in a separate window in IE Hi Group, This morning I receive an email from FS support on how to make PDF files open in a separate window in IE. Below is the instructions. They seem to be a lot easier then what I sent out yesterday. I have not tried it as I got my Adobe working with the instructions I gave you yesterday. So if you try FS instructions and it workds for you please email back and let the group know. Below is the instructions from FS. How to get Adobe Reader to open in its own window by Freedom Scientific You actually make this change in the Adobe Reader application using the instructions below: A. Using the Accessibility Set Up Assistant When you launch a PDF the first time, the accessibility set up assistant opens. If the accessibility wizard has already run, do the following to open it: 1. Press ALT+E to open the Edit menu. 2. Press Y to select Accessibility submenu. 3. Press ENTER on Set Up Assistant. The first page of this five page dialog box opens. The default choice is fine, press ENTER to move to the next page. 4. On the second page you can change things if you wish, but by default it is OK. Press ENTER to move to page three. 5. On the third page you can change things if you wish, but by default it is OK. Press ENTER to move to page four. 6. On the fourth page, if you want to use the list of links, list of headings, and the JAWS find command so on to access long documents, change the radio button from "For large documents, only read the currently visible pages" to "Read the entire document at once." If you do not make this change, in long documents JAWS only sees the links and headings on the current page. Additionally, JAWS can only search the current page with the JAWS find command. If you do select read the entire document at once, it may take a few seconds longer to process large documents, but it is worth it to be able to see the links and headings in the entire document, or to search the entire document with the JAWS find. 7. Press ENTER to move to page five of the Set
Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening PDF documents in Acrobat Reader instead of a browser such as IE, revisited
Mike, Did you make the FS-recommended changes again, for your latest Adobe Acrobat Reader, after you installed it? (There is another option, in the Reading Options, above the Accessibility Assistant in the Edit Menu, that could be affecting how your pdf's are being read etc. In that option, MAKE SURE that "Infer Reading Order From Document" is unchecked: choose "left to right, top to bottom" instead. See if that has an effect on how documents are being presented to you.) -Original Message- From: Mike O'Brien Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 1:51 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening PDF documents in Acrobat Reader instead of a browser such as IE, revisited Hi John and Linda The Freedom Scientific instructions for opening a PDF document in Acrobat Reader instead of IE were at the bottom of my original email, and therefore are also at the bottom of this email. If I try to virtualize the IE window, JAWS just tells me that the window is already virtualized. However, I can do a control+a to select all the text in the IE window and then copy it and paste it into a text document. But I only get portions of the PDF document. Also, I misspoke when I said the PDF document was readable in the IE window. Again only random parts of the document are read. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of john_Justice Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 07:57 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening PDF documents in Acrobat Reader instead of a browser such as IE, revisited Hello Mike, I have two reasons for responding to your original message. Can you send me the procedure for setting up Adobe Acrobat to open in the manner you described? Once your .pdf document is displayed, can you virtualize the screen and copy the document in that way? The only issue I can see there is that you'd have an interesting challenge with documents having multiple pages. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:05 PM To: jaws-users-list Subject: [JAWS-Users] Opening PDF documents in Acrobat Reader instead of a browser such as IE, revisited Hi I had made the changes to the Adobe Reader startup Accessibility Assistant and accessibility preferences that were recommended by FS. PDF documents were being opened in Adobe Reader as expected until I accepted the download and installation of the latest version of Adobe Reader, titled Adobe Acrobat Reader DC, version 15.009.20079. Now, when I press enter or space on a web site link to download a PDF document, it just opens up in a new IE window. This new IE window has no menus, including the context menu brought up by the applications key or shift F10, no link and no buttons to be able to download it. The PDF document is processed by Adobe reader and can be read with JAWS. But there is no way to save it to my computer. I know that on some web sites, when I'm positioned on a link, I can bring up the context menu and press enter on the Save as option to download the document. But many of the sites from which I download PDF documents, the save as option is grayed and unavailable. This behavior exists using both JAWS 16 and 17. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Pinky Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:00 To: JAWS-Users-List 2 Subject: [JAWS-Users] FS way of making PDF files load in a separate window in IE Hi Group, This morning I receive an email from FS support on how to make PDF files open in a separate window in IE. Below is the instructions. They seem to be a lot easier then what I sent out yesterday. I have not tried it as I got my Adobe working with the instructions I gave you yesterday. So if you try FS instructions and it workds for you please email back and let the group know. Below is the instructions from FS. How to get Adobe Reader to open in its own window by Freedom Scientific You actually make this change in the Adobe Reader application using the instructions below: A. Using the Accessibility Set Up Assistant When you launch a PDF the first time, the accessibility set up assistant opens. If the accessibility wizard has already run, do the following to open it: 1. Press ALT+E to open the Edit menu. 2. Press Y to select Accessibility submenu. 3. Press ENTER on Set Up Assistant. The first page of this five page dialog box opens. The default choice is fine, press ENTER to move to the next page. 4. On the second page you can change things if you wish, but by default it is OK. Press ENTER to move to page three. 5. On the third page you can change things if you wish, but by default it is OK. Press ENTER to move to page four. 6. On the fourth page, if you
Re: [JAWS-Users] Opening PDF documents in Acrobat Reader instead of a browser such as IE, revisited
Hello Mike, I have two reasons for responding to your original message. Can you send me the procedure for setting up Adobe Acrobat to open in the manner you described? Once your .pdf document is displayed, can you virtualize the screen and copy the document in that way? The only issue I can see there is that you'd have an interesting challenge with documents having multiple pages. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:05 PM To: jaws-users-list Subject: [JAWS-Users] Opening PDF documents in Acrobat Reader instead of a browser such as IE, revisited Hi I had made the changes to the Adobe Reader startup Accessibility Assistant and accessibility preferences that were recommended by FS. PDF documents were being opened in Adobe Reader as expected until I accepted the download and installation of the latest version of Adobe Reader, titled Adobe Acrobat Reader DC, version 15.009.20079. Now, when I press enter or space on a web site link to download a PDF document, it just opens up in a new IE window. This new IE window has no menus, including the context menu brought up by the applications key or shift F10, no link and no buttons to be able to download it. The PDF document is processed by Adobe reader and can be read with JAWS. But there is no way to save it to my computer. I know that on some web sites, when I'm positioned on a link, I can bring up the context menu and press enter on the Save as option to download the document. But many of the sites from which I download PDF documents, the save as option is grayed and unavailable. This behavior exists using both JAWS 16 and 17. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Pinky Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:00 To: JAWS-Users-List 2 Subject: [JAWS-Users] FS way of making PDF files load in a separate window in IE Hi Group, This morning I receive an email from FS support on how to make PDF files open in a separate window in IE. Below is the instructions. They seem to be a lot easier then what I sent out yesterday. I have not tried it as I got my Adobe working with the instructions I gave you yesterday. So if you try FS instructions and it workds for you please email back and let the group know. Below is the instructions from FS. How to get Adobe Reader to open in its own window by Freedom Scientific You actually make this change in the Adobe Reader application using the instructions below: A. Using the Accessibility Set Up Assistant When you launch a PDF the first time, the accessibility set up assistant opens. If the accessibility wizard has already run, do the following to open it: 1. Press ALT+E to open the Edit menu. 2. Press Y to select Accessibility submenu. 3. Press ENTER on Set Up Assistant. The first page of this five page dialog box opens. The default choice is fine, press ENTER to move to the next page. 4. On the second page you can change things if you wish, but by default it is OK. Press ENTER to move to page three. 5. On the third page you can change things if you wish, but by default it is OK. Press ENTER to move to page four. 6. On the fourth page, if you want to use the list of links, list of headings, and the JAWS find command so on to access long documents, change the radio button from "For large documents, only read the currently visible pages" to "Read the entire document at once." If you do not make this change, in long documents JAWS only sees the links and headings on the current page. Additionally, JAWS can only search the current page with the JAWS find command. If you do select read the entire document at once, it may take a few seconds longer to process large documents, but it is worth it to be able to see the links and headings in the entire document, or to search the entire document with the JAWS find. 7. Press ENTER to move to page five of the Set Up Assistant. 8. If the check box for Reopen documents to the last viewed page is checked, you may want to uncheck this. It is a personal preference. TAB through until you reach the check box for "Display PDF documents in the web browser," and uncheck it. 9. Press ENTER to activate the Done button. B. Additional changes in Adobe Reader XI preferences. 1. Press CTRL+K to open the Adobe Reader XI preferences. 2. In the Categories list on the left side of the dialog box, choose Accessibility. 3. Press TAB to move to the item, Show Portfolios in Files mode (not checked by default) - check this. 4. Press TAB to move back to the Categories list and choose Security (Enhanced). 5. Press TAB to move to Enable Protected Mode at startup (checked by default) - uncheck this. 6. Press TAB to move to the OK button, and activate it with the SPACEBAR. NOTE: The option to view PDF documents in the