[JBoss-dev] Dreamweaver MX: njar vs. expanded directories?

2002-06-30 Thread Frederick N. Brier

Let us say you are using a tool like Macromedia Dreamweaver UltraDev/MX and 
their LiveUpdate feature.  This is where you are using a wysiwyg HTML/JSP 
editor and you can click a button, it uploads a temporary version of the 
file to the server, it invokes the JSP generating the page, gets the 
results, correlates the generated page to the original JSP, and displays as 
a web page.  You can fill in data, press buttons, follow hyperlinks 
etc.  You are working with a live page.  Very cool and useful.  But you 
have to be able to copy/ftp the JSP to a real directory.

Now it was a mildly annoying, under JBoss 2.4.x, that with the hot deploy 
the temporary directory name could keep changing because Dreamweaver didn't 
know how to deal with it, but it worked.  So the question is, how do I do 
that now with the .war appearing to be bundled up?  Where would I copy the JSP?

Fred.



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Re: [JBoss-dev] Dreamweaver MX: njar vs. expanded directories?

2002-06-30 Thread Jules Gosnell

This should really be posted to jboss-user or the forums - jboss-dev is 
for discussion  amongst developers of (not 'on') JBoss.

It's a BAD idea for any tool to be second guessing where a WebContainer 
will be unpacking it's wars - because the spec does not say anything 
about it. In fact the WebContainer may just run them packed.

If your tool will only work with unpacked dirs - then deploy your war 
unpacked (a dir hierarchy called e.g. my.war that mirrors the packed 
tree), and write your files back into this. I THINK that Jasper will 
spot the changes and react accordingly.


Jules


Frederick N. Brier wrote:
 Let us say you are using a tool like Macromedia Dreamweaver UltraDev/MX 
 and their LiveUpdate feature.  This is where you are using a wysiwyg 
 HTML/JSP editor and you can click a button, it uploads a temporary 
 version of the file to the server, it invokes the JSP generating the 
 page, gets the results, correlates the generated page to the original 
 JSP, and displays as a web page.  You can fill in data, press buttons, 
 follow hyperlinks etc.  You are working with a live page.  Very cool and 
 useful.  But you have to be able to copy/ftp the JSP to a real directory.
 
 Now it was a mildly annoying, under JBoss 2.4.x, that with the hot 
 deploy the temporary directory name could keep changing because 
 Dreamweaver didn't know how to deal with it, but it worked.  So the 
 question is, how do I do that now with the .war appearing to be bundled 
 up?  Where would I copy the JSP?
 
 Fred.
 
 
 
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Re: [JBoss-dev] Dreamweaver MX: njar vs. expanded directories?

2002-06-30 Thread Frederick N. Brier

Sorry Jules, I wasn't sure where to post it.  But I was posting this more 
as a design discussion and a continuation of an earlier post about the njar 
protocol and whether it was really a good idea.  Not that it isn't slick 
piece of encapsulation.  I will try your recommendation and copy the .jsp 
into the my.war directory.

As far as the tool, Ultradev/Drumbeat/MX, I believe its Live Data feature 
predates the use of .war(s) to bundle .jsp(s) and servlets.  But even that 
isn't the issue.  Easy to use GUI tools lower development costs.  Just 
because the spec says we are allowed to hide how we access an archive, 
doesn't mean its a good idea not to provide an interface by which 
development tools can interact with the container.  If the above approach 
doesn't work, maybe we need to design one that does.  If it does, we should 
document it and submit as a standard.

Fred.

At 05:29 PM 6/30/2002, Jules Gosnell wrote:
This should really be posted to jboss-user or the forums - jboss-dev is 
for discussion  amongst developers of (not 'on') JBoss.

It's a BAD idea for any tool to be second guessing where a WebContainer 
will be unpacking it's wars - because the spec does not say anything about 
it. In fact the WebContainer may just run them packed.

If your tool will only work with unpacked dirs - then deploy your war 
unpacked (a dir hierarchy called e.g. my.war that mirrors the packed 
tree), and write your files back into this. I THINK that Jasper will spot 
the changes and react accordingly.


Jules


Frederick N. Brier wrote:
Let us say you are using a tool like Macromedia Dreamweaver UltraDev/MX 
and their LiveUpdate feature.  This is where you are using a wysiwyg 
HTML/JSP editor and you can click a button, it uploads a temporary 
version of the file to the server, it invokes the JSP generating the 
page, gets the results, correlates the generated page to the original 
JSP, and displays as a web page.  You can fill in data, press buttons, 
follow hyperlinks etc.  You are working with a live page.  Very cool and 
useful.  But you have to be able to copy/ftp the JSP to a real directory.
Now it was a mildly annoying, under JBoss 2.4.x, that with the hot deploy 
the temporary directory name could keep changing because Dreamweaver 
didn't know how to deal with it, but it worked.  So the question is, how 
do I do that now with the .war appearing to be bundled up?  Where would I 
copy the JSP?
Fred.

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