Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
A major aspect of Programming is mastering complexity. The human mind can deal only with something like seven entities at once. An important means to approach a set of entities that is much larger is abstraction. A good IDE reduces the amount of swapping between levels of abstraction tremendously which saves energy and keeps one more focused for the actual problems. A good IDE does increase my productivity significantly. Other aspects are: - Refactoring: How do the people with emacs or vim change the names of fields and methods. With regular expressions ? Well, good luck. How do they move classes to other packages, etc Either they don't do all this stuff it although they would like to, or they spend a lot of work and are still likely to have forgotten something. (O.k. they have unit test so there will be an alert, but still). Even simple refactoring is a nightmare without a tool that supports it. - Reduction of compilation errors (due to code assist) - Preventing dumb work. For example creation of delegate objects, smart templates, etc ... - many more aspects When talking about Eclipse one thing is important: Eclipse is NOT an IDE but an application framework. IBM is thinking about using Eclipse as a framework for there future applications. It is a container for plug-ins like JBoss is a container for MBeans. And as the J2EE support of JBoss is just a set of MBeans, the Java-IDE of eclipse is just a set of plug-ins. I'd use Eclipse as a framework for almost any UI application I can imagine. One thing of this framework is a new GUI lib, the SWT. If this would have been available earlier the Java reputation for the Desktop would be good and not fucked up like it is now. When I say good IDE I mean it. Eclipse Java IDE is one, IntelliJ from all what I hear as well, others are not. Compared to IntelliJ there are two important differences. Eclipse is open source. It solves many problems if you have insight in the code. Eclipse offers a API with deep access to the framework to plug-in and enhance it. From what I've heard about IntelliJ there is an open API but it does not go deep. I hope that the next major release of JBoss-IDE will be so attractive that many JBoss developer will jump on it even if they have to get acquainted to a new tool. But anyway, it's good to have choices (: Hans --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Hate to say this but netbeans (www.netbeans.org) beats eclipse hands down. Does all of the below and lots more. Go take a look at the module selection at www.netbeans.org/devhome and http://www.netbeans.org/devhome/modules/by-module.html There is the full ide and a 'platform' version which is the basis of any application wishing to use any combo of the modules + any 'user' developed modules. And its open source too - Original Message - From: Hans Dockter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... A major aspect of Programming is mastering complexity. The human mind can deal only with something like seven entities at once. An important means to approach a set of entities that is much larger is abstraction. A good IDE reduces the amount of swapping between levels of abstraction tremendously which saves energy and keeps one more focused for the actual problems. A good IDE does increase my productivity significantly. Other aspects are: - Refactoring: How do the people with emacs or vim change the names of fields and methods. With regular expressions ? Well, good luck. How do they move classes to other packages, etc Either they don't do all this stuff it although they would like to, or they spend a lot of work and are still likely to have forgotten something. (O.k. they have unit test so there will be an alert, but still). Even simple refactoring is a nightmare without a tool that supports it. - Reduction of compilation errors (due to code assist) - Preventing dumb work. For example creation of delegate objects, smart templates, etc ... - many more aspects When talking about Eclipse one thing is important: Eclipse is NOT an IDE but an application framework. IBM is thinking about using Eclipse as a framework for there future applications. It is a container for plug-ins like JBoss is a container for MBeans. And as the J2EE support of JBoss is just a set of MBeans, the Java-IDE of eclipse is just a set of plug-ins. I'd use Eclipse as a framework for almost any UI application I can imagine. One thing of this framework is a new GUI lib, the SWT. If this would have been available earlier the Java reputation for the Desktop would be good and not fucked up like it is now. When I say good IDE I mean it. Eclipse Java IDE is one, IntelliJ from all what I hear as well, others are not. Compared to IntelliJ there are two important differences. Eclipse is open source. It solves many problems if you have insight in the code. Eclipse offers a API with deep access to the framework to plug-in and enhance it. From what I've heard about IntelliJ there is an open API but it does not go deep. I hope that the next major release of JBoss-IDE will be so attractive that many JBoss developer will jump on it even if they have to get acquainted to a new tool. But anyway, it's good to have choices (: Hans --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Hello Nick, NB Hate to say this but netbeans (www.netbeans.org) beats eclipse hands down. NB Does all of the below and lots more. Go take a look at the module selection NB at www.netbeans.org/devhome and NB http://www.netbeans.org/devhome/modules/by-module.html NB There is the full ide and a 'platform' version which is the basis of any NB application wishing to use any combo of the modules + any 'user' developed NB modules. NB And its open source too Good that after evaluating the available IDE's you find your one. Many possible things to say, I confine myself to: Swing, you write it once and it looks bad everywhere (also in NetBeans) (: Hans --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Hate to say this but netbeans (www.netbeans.org) beats eclipse hands down. Hate to tell you but that thing is just damn slow. What amazes me is that no matter how much RAM your machine has NetBeans is just always hungry for it. Does all of the below and lots more. Go take a look at the module selection at www.netbeans.org/devhome and http://www.netbeans.org/devhome/modules/by-module.html I am not sure about much more, but one thing I miss from there is JSP editor. I have not seen any decent eclipse JSP plugin yet. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Well, if you are willing to shell out some cash, then you might consider trying webshpere studio. Since it's built on eclipse, it has all the eclipse goodies plus a ton of other stuff like a jsp editor. Regards, Hiram --- Aleksandr Shneyderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hate to say this but netbeans (www.netbeans.org) beats eclipse hands down. Hate to tell you but that thing is just damn slow. What amazes me is that no matter how much RAM your machine has NetBeans is just always hungry for it. Does all of the below and lots more. Go take a look at the module selection at www.netbeans.org/devhome and http://www.netbeans.org/devhome/modules/by-module.html I am not sure about much more, but one thing I miss from there is JSP editor. I have not seen any decent eclipse JSP plugin yet. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
force it to use ant to do all compiles? Seems like that would be best to solve most problems. I've been able to get it to run our ant build files directly. You might have to go into the eclipse properties and add all the tools/lib/*.jar files to the ANT runtime classpath. Do you know if there is an _easy_ way to make all projects use a set of external tools builder configs? I found with a small mod to tools/etc/build*/tools.ent that adding a external builder to execute the build.xml before the eclipse compiler will allow the entire server to be built from inside of eclipse. Only one extra step is needed to call build/build.xml to make the distribution directory so that the server will run... which could be worked around as well with an additional builder to trigger the build module to pull. BTW I did not have to add anything the ANT runtime classpath. --jason --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
hmmm ... allow me to namedrop and spread unverified grapewine info here then ... ThogetherSoft is toying with Eclice as it's runtime framework in upcoming versions ... or was that before Borland ? ... PS: Any right made void as this message is transmitted in a reporting capacity : DS --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
+1 I use it all them time. The Refactoring support and the Quick Assist features rock. Regards, Hiram --- Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can not believe how fast, intelligent and functional this little IDE. I have tears in my eyes I am so pleased. Okay perhaps I need to get out more... but still. I think I am going to have to say goodbye to XEmacs. Perhaps I am just getting old and lazy... --jason --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
If you like Eclipse, IntelliJ blows it away. It's not free, but cheap and much more mature than Eclipse. I used Eclipse, but enjoy IntelliJ much more. (Not trying to start a holy war, just giving you another option to look at it you enjoy Eclipse...) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hiram Chirino Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... +1 I use it all them time. The Refactoring support and the Quick Assist features rock. Regards, Hiram --- Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can not believe how fast, intelligent and functional this little IDE. I have tears in my eyes I am so pleased. Okay perhaps I need to get out more... but still. I think I am going to have to say goodbye to XEmacs. Perhaps I am just getting old and lazy... --jason --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Title: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... The guys around my office (who have never been without some sort of integrated IDE like Delphi or JBuilder) call me the "old UNIX guy" even though I'm only 23. They were roaring in the aisles the day I told them that Eclipse was the only IDE to ever make me want to put Emacs away ;) -Original Message-From: Jason Dillon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... I can not believe how fast, intelligent and functional this little IDE. I have tears in my eyes I am so pleased. Okay perhaps I need to getout more... but still. I think I am going to have to say goodbye toXEmacs. Perhaps I am just getting old and lazy...--jason---This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies!Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships.Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more.www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp___Jboss-development mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
While we're on the subject of Eclipse... Can anyone give me some tips for working with the JBoss source in Eclipse via the built-in extssh client? I can get it all checked out, but then it gets very confused about the package names. It tries to do j2ee.src.main.org.jboss.j2ee, messaging.src.main.org.jboss.mq, etc. I guess it wants individual projects for each directory? I was hoping to set it up as a SINGLE project so I can just check out the source and start working. I read the The Developing JBoss using Eclipse HOWTO, but it only explores setting it up as multiple projects. This question is echoed on the forums as well at http://www.jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=162thread=28822. Up to now I've been using NetBeans, but I'd really like to get this up and running on Eclipse with the JBoss IDE plug-in and all if possible. Thanks, Nathan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Is there any particular reason you have to use builtin extssh? I use ext/ssh and am pretty happy with it. -Original Message- From: Nathan Phelps [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... While we're on the subject of Eclipse... Can anyone give me some tips for working with the JBoss source in Eclipse via the built-in extssh client? I can get it all checked out, but then it gets very confused about the package names. It tries to do j2ee.src.main.org.jboss.j2ee, messaging.src.main.org.jboss.mq, etc. I guess it wants individual projects for each directory? I was hoping to set it up as a SINGLE project so I can just check out the source and start working. I read the The Developing JBoss using Eclipse HOWTO, but it only explores setting it up as multiple projects. This question is echoed on the forums as well at http://www.jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=162thread=28822. Up to now I've been using NetBeans, but I'd really like to get this up and running on Eclipse with the JBoss IDE plug-in and all if possible. Thanks, Nathan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Any reason not to set it up as multiple projects? I have had nothing but success when connecting Eclipse projects to a checked out jboss-head. --jason On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 02:42 AM, Nathan Phelps wrote: While we're on the subject of Eclipse... Can anyone give me some tips for working with the JBoss source in Eclipse via the built-in extssh client? I can get it all checked out, but then it gets very confused about the package names. It tries to do j2ee.src.main.org.jboss.j2ee, messaging.src.main.org.jboss.mq, etc. I guess it wants individual projects for each directory? I was hoping to set it up as a SINGLE project so I can just check out the source and start working. I read the The Developing JBoss using Eclipse HOWTO, but it only explores setting it up as multiple projects. This question is echoed on the forums as well at http://www.jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=162thread=28822. Up to now I've been using NetBeans, but I'd really like to get this up and running on Eclipse with the JBoss IDE plug-in and all if possible. Thanks, Nathan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
j2ee.src.main.org.jboss.j2ee, messaging.src.main.org.jboss.mq, etc. I guess it wants individual projects for each directory? You can checkout the jboss source to work with and create new java project with the link to the directory to which you cvs'd the jboss modules. It will be pretty slow since there are a lot if sources and eclipse will traverse thru them. Now go thru each module and add its source root to the sources. Right click project icon-properties-java build path-source-Add Folder ... In the jboss directory you will have .classpath which contains entries like following: classpathentry kind=src path=your/path/to/the/of/jboss/moduleN/src / This would be the file you want to share with everyone :-) I guess it makes sense project for each module because it would be faster and you will not develop for every single module at the simultaneously. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Ahh, but have you tried Eclipse? --jason On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 02:02 AM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: vim -dain On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 12:43 PM, Jeff Haynie wrote: If you like Eclipse, IntelliJ blows it away. It's not free, but cheap and much more mature than Eclipse. I used Eclipse, but enjoy IntelliJ much more. (Not trying to start a holy war, just giving you another option to look at it you enjoy Eclipse...) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hiram Chirino Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... +1 I use it all them time. The Refactoring support and the Quick Assist features rock. Regards, Hiram --- Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can not believe how fast, intelligent and functional this little IDE. I have tears in my eyes I am so pleased. Okay perhaps I need to get out more... but still. I think I am going to have to say goodbye to XEmacs. Perhaps I am just getting old and lazy... --jason --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
I've tried it various ways.. lately I've been doing the following: - compile source code manualy. - adjust eclipse build path by: adding the source folders of sub projects that I will be working with as source folders. (the default is no good) - adjust eclipse build path by: adding all the jars in the build/output/jboss*/lib and build/output/jboss*/client and build/output/jboss*/server/all/lib directories to the project classpath. Regards, Hiram --- Nathan Phelps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we're on the subject of Eclipse... Can anyone give me some tips for working with the JBoss source in Eclipse via the built-in extssh client? I can get it all checked out, but then it gets very confused about the package names. It tries to do j2ee.src.main.org.jboss.j2ee, messaging.src.main.org.jboss.mq, etc. I guess it wants individual projects for each directory? I was hoping to set it up as a SINGLE project so I can just check out the source and start working. I read the The Developing JBoss using Eclipse HOWTO, but it only explores setting it up as multiple projects. This question is echoed on the forums as well at http://www.jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=162thread=28822. Up to now I've been using NetBeans, but I'd really like to get this up and running on Eclipse with the JBoss IDE plug-in and all if possible. Thanks, Nathan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Ya, for like 5 minutes. All I really want out of an ide is an editor, syntax highlighting and ant. I can get that from vim, bash and ant. Am I missing some amazing feature. -dain On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:24 PM, Jason Dillon wrote: Ahh, but have you tried Eclipse? --jason On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 02:02 AM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: vim -dain --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
I have been using both and I like IntelliJ much more. Although eclipse is catching up with the RC1. Eclipse 2.1 might compete with IntelliJ 2.5 ( I see lots of eclipse features if not all are copied from IntelliJ) But eclipse debugging is cool and I hope IntelliJ guys will improve in the coming release. -Original Message- From: Jason Dillon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... Any reason not to set it up as multiple projects? I have had nothing but success when connecting Eclipse projects to a checked out jboss-head. --jason On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 02:42 AM, Nathan Phelps wrote: While we're on the subject of Eclipse... Can anyone give me some tips for working with the JBoss source in Eclipse via the built-in extssh client? I can get it all checked out, but then it gets very confused about the package names. It tries to do j2ee.src.main.org.jboss.j2ee, messaging.src.main.org.jboss.mq, etc. I guess it wants individual projects for each directory? I was hoping to set it up as a SINGLE project so I can just check out the source and start working. I read the The Developing JBoss using Eclipse HOWTO, but it only explores setting it up as multiple projects. This question is echoed on the forums as well at http://www.jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=162thread=28822. Up to now I've been using NetBeans, but I'd really like to get this up and running on Eclipse with the JBoss IDE plug-in and all if possible. Thanks, Nathan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Are you using the internal extssh client? I can certainly check out the source on the command line then connect the checked out source project by project. However, I was sort of hoping to be able to checkout a whole branch from within Eclipse AS a project. In other words, I was really hoping to do: 1.) Open the CVS Repository Explorer 2.) Right-click on a project Branch (having already set up the branch stuff) and choose Check out as Project 3.) Switch to the Java Project and start working. As it stands right now, this simply doesn't work (especially with Branch_3_2). Thanks, Nathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Dillon Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... Any reason not to set it up as multiple projects? I have had nothing but success when connecting Eclipse projects to a checked out jboss-head. --jason On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 02:42 AM, Nathan Phelps wrote: While we're on the subject of Eclipse... Can anyone give me some tips for working with the JBoss source in Eclipse via the built-in extssh client? I can get it all checked out, but then it gets very confused about the package names. It tries to do j2ee.src.main.org.jboss.j2ee, messaging.src.main.org.jboss.mq, etc. I guess it wants individual projects for each directory? I was hoping to set it up as a SINGLE project so I can just check out the source and start working. I read the The Developing JBoss using Eclipse HOWTO, but it only explores setting it up as multiple projects. This question is echoed on the forums as well at http://www.jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=162thread=28822. Up to now I've been using NetBeans, but I'd really like to get this up and running on Eclipse with the JBoss IDE plug-in and all if possible. Thanks, Nathan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
I think it is better to use the jars from the module output directory, cause the exact location under build/output will change from version to version. Is there any way to make Eclipse create jars? Or any way to make it conditionally compile stuff for 1.3 and others for 1.4? Or a way to force it to use ant to do all compiles? Seems like that would be best to solve most problems. So far I am pretty happy, but it is by no means perfect. --jason On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 03:42 AM, Hiram Chirino wrote: I've tried it various ways.. lately I've been doing the following: - compile source code manualy. - adjust eclipse build path by: adding the source folders of sub projects that I will be working with as source folders. (the default is no good) - adjust eclipse build path by: adding all the jars in the build/output/jboss*/lib and build/output/jboss*/client and build/output/jboss*/server/all/lib directories to the project classpath. Regards, Hiram --- Nathan Phelps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we're on the subject of Eclipse... Can anyone give me some tips for working with the JBoss source in Eclipse via the built-in extssh client? I can get it all checked out, but then it gets very confused about the package names. It tries to do j2ee.src.main.org.jboss.j2ee, messaging.src.main.org.jboss.mq, etc. I guess it wants individual projects for each directory? I was hoping to set it up as a SINGLE project so I can just check out the source and start working. I read the The Developing JBoss using Eclipse HOWTO, but it only explores setting it up as multiple projects. This question is echoed on the forums as well at http://www.jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=162thread=28822. Up to now I've been using NetBeans, but I'd really like to get this up and running on Eclipse with the JBoss IDE plug-in and all if possible. Thanks, Nathan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Is there any way to make Eclipse create jars? Or any way to make it Export feature conditionally compile stuff for 1.3 and others for 1.4? Or a way to force it to use ant to do all compiles? Seems like that would be best to solve most problems. You can switch between the 1.3 and 1.4 but it is one at a time. Specify 1.3 in Preferences-Java-Installed JRE --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
--- Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is better to use the jars from the module output directory, cause the exact location under build/output will change from version to version. true.. but it's easier to do a multiple selection in 2 or 3 directories rather than going through each project. Is there any way to make Eclipse create jars? Or any way to make it I think you can select a set of packages/classes and then use the export feature to export them to a jar. But I don't think this is what you are looking for. conditionally compile stuff for 1.3 and others for 1.4? Or a way to not that I know of force it to use ant to do all compiles? Seems like that would be best to solve most problems. I've been able to get it to run our ant build files directly. You might have to go into the eclipse properties and add all the tools/lib/*.jar files to the ANT runtime classpath. So far I am pretty happy, but it is by no means perfect. I agree. Regards, Hiram --jason On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 03:42 AM, Hiram Chirino wrote: I've tried it various ways.. lately I've been doing the following: - compile source code manualy. - adjust eclipse build path by: adding the source folders of sub projects that I will be working with as source folders. (the default is no good) - adjust eclipse build path by: adding all the jars in the build/output/jboss*/lib and build/output/jboss*/client and build/output/jboss*/server/all/lib directories to the project classpath. Regards, Hiram --- Nathan Phelps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we're on the subject of Eclipse... Can anyone give me some tips for working with the JBoss source in Eclipse via the built-in extssh client? I can get it all checked out, but then it gets very confused about the package names. It tries to do j2ee.src.main.org.jboss.j2ee, messaging.src.main.org.jboss.mq, etc. I guess it wants individual projects for each directory? I was hoping to set it up as a SINGLE project so I can just check out the source and start working. I read the The Developing JBoss using Eclipse HOWTO, but it only explores setting it up as multiple projects. This question is echoed on the forums as well at http://www.jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=162thread=28822. Up to now I've been using NetBeans, but I'd really like to get this up and running on Eclipse with the JBoss IDE plug-in and all if possible. Thanks, Nathan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
Starting with M5 (I can't remember if it was in M4) you can do a check out into... which will allow you to choose a source folder to check out into. If you right click on your project, choose properties and then Java Build Path there is a source tab where you can add new source directories. Next go into your CVS perspective and do the check out into... and point the new module to the source directory of your choice. You will have to do this for every module but a) all the modules will be in one project and b) you only have to do this once. After that you will have the seemless single project CVS access you were looking for. -Phil Nathan Phelps [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: ceforge.netSubject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... 02/26/2003 02:00 PM Please respond to jboss-development Are you using the internal extssh client? I can certainly check out the source on the command line then connect the checked out source project by project. However, I was sort of hoping to be able to checkout a whole branch from within Eclipse AS a project. In other words, I was really hoping to do: 1.) Open the CVS Repository Explorer 2.) Right-click on a project Branch (having already set up the branch stuff) and choose Check out as Project 3.) Switch to the Java Project and start working. As it stands right now, this simply doesn't work (especially with Branch_3_2). Thanks, Nathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Dillon Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... Any reason not to set it up as multiple projects? I have had nothing but success when connecting Eclipse projects to a checked out jboss-head. --jason On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 02:42 AM, Nathan Phelps wrote: While we're on the subject of Eclipse... Can anyone give me some tips for working with the JBoss source in Eclipse via the built-in extssh client? I can get it all checked out, but then it gets very confused about the package names. It tries to do j2ee.src.main.org.jboss.j2ee, messaging.src.main.org.jboss.mq, etc. I guess it wants individual projects for each directory? I was hoping to set it up as a SINGLE project so I can just check out the source and start working. I read the The Developing JBoss using Eclipse HOWTO, but it only explores setting it up as multiple projects. This question is echoed on the forums as well at http://www.jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=162thread=28822. Up to now I've been using NetBeans, but I'd really like to get this up and running on Eclipse with the JBoss IDE plug-in and all if possible. Thanks, Nathan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships
RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
This is one of the very reasons I avoid IDEs. If you don't live in them, you die by them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hiram Chirino Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... I've tried it various ways.. lately I've been doing the following: - compile source code manualy. - adjust eclipse build path by: adding the source folders of sub projects that I will be working with as source folders. (the default is no good) - adjust eclipse build path by: adding all the jars in the build/output/jboss*/lib and build/output/jboss*/client and build/output/jboss*/server/all/lib directories to the project classpath. Regards, Hiram --- Nathan Phelps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we're on the subject of Eclipse... Can anyone give me some tips for working with the JBoss source in Eclipse via the built-in extssh client? I can get it all checked out, but then it gets very confused about the package names. It tries to do j2ee.src.main.org.jboss.j2ee, messaging.src.main.org.jboss.mq, etc. I guess it wants individual projects for each directory? I was hoping to set it up as a SINGLE project so I can just check out the source and start working. I read the The Developing JBoss using Eclipse HOWTO, but it only explores setting it up as multiple projects. This question is echoed on the forums as well at http://www.jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=162thread=28822. Up to now I've been using NetBeans, but I'd really like to get this up and running on Eclipse with the JBoss IDE plug-in and all if possible. Thanks, Nathan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
I think it is better to use the jars from the module output directory, cause the exact location under build/output will change from version to version. What build/output will change from version to version? Is there any way to make Eclipse create jars? Go under the file menu to export. Choose jar file and follow the wizard. Or any way to make it conditionally compile stuff for 1.3 and others for 1.4? Right click on a project and go to properties. Select Java Compiler on the left. If you click on the Use project settings radio button then you can set any custom compiler options you want including setting the compiler compliance level (1.3 or 1.4). Or a way to force it to use ant to do all compiles? Right click on your project and go to properties again. Click on External Tools Builders. Click on the New... button and select Ant Build. On the build options tab you can specify if you want to have this run for Full builds, Incremental builds, and/or Auto builds. -Phil --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
I've been looking into both since January. I've never been a big IDE fan (10+ years with Emacs with forays into SlickEdit), but at my current gig I started using JBuilder at first then XDE when we upgraded from Rose. I've been using XDE for the last 3 months for modeling and editing, and it is based on an older Eclipse version. I've been experimenting with Eclipse some, and some people on my team have been trying IntelliJ, with the only big drawback being that it costs $$$ compared to Eclipse. Rob - Original Message - From: Tieying Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:58 pm Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing... I have been using both and I like IntelliJ much more. Although eclipse is catching up with the RC1. Eclipse 2.1 might compete with IntelliJ 2.5 ( I see lots of eclipse features if not all are copied from IntelliJ) But eclipse debugging is cool and I hope IntelliJ guys will improve in the coming release. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
onsdagen den 26 februari 2003 kl 22.32 skrev Bill Burke: This is one of the very reasons I avoid IDEs. If you don't live in them, you die by them. True ! ... not only of IDEs ... but systems in general !!! ... (ours come to mind) ... motivation is key when in a entropy volatile environment ... Technology is Nothing - Creation All --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse is so amazing...
I think it is better to use the jars from the module output directory, cause the exact location under build/output will change from version to version. What build/output will change from version to version? The directory name under build/output changes when the version number/tag changes. Is there any way to make Eclipse create jars? Go under the file menu to export. Choose jar file and follow the wizard. Automatically is what I meant. Or any way to make it conditionally compile stuff for 1.3 and others for 1.4? Right click on a project and go to properties. Select Java Compiler on the left. If you click on the Use project settings radio button then you can set any custom compiler options you want including setting the compiler compliance level (1.3 or 1.4). On a per package or per class level, there are several bits of select packages which will only compile under 1.4, but I do not want to force the entire project to use one or the other. I was hoping for a bit more intelligence for supporting multiple jdk versions concurrently. Or a way to force it to use ant to do all compiles? Right click on your project and go to properties again. Click on External Tools Builders. Click on the New... button and select Ant Build. On the build options tab you can specify if you want to have this run for Full builds, Incremental builds, and/or Auto builds. I will play with this, as it may just solve the above problems. Thanks, --jason --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
