Re: Re[4]: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-28 Thread Holger Baxmann
Julien,

Thank you for clearing this. I just have strange bad feelings sometimes 
...

;-)
bax
Am Freitag, 28.03.03, um 15:55 Uhr (Europe/Budapest) schrieb julien 
viet:

I dont' say that, the problem is clearly the provider for me. I
thought everyone would have noticed that. We are working on it.
application is not slow, the bandwidth is small.

the box is all the time in iddle and the average time for
computing a page is 17 ms.
HB> This is IMHO the badest kind-of-answer i must read from time to 
time in
HB> other places.
HB> "If you have a problem, then you have a problem. It is not my 
problem:
HB> I will show you. Die with your problem"

HB> not the communication level what i have had the last few years in
HB> jboss.org
HB> bax

julien.

RG> i could just get to the site after 6 hrs of trying and its damn
slow
RG> looks to cluttered to me..the links ought to be more organized...
RG> its somehow not as attention grabbing as the prev one
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Re: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-28 Thread viktor
On OSX with Safari site load relatively fast ***  if I use IE it just 
do not happen !!! (20sek+)
It seems to be a separate image/ad's server (buggy ?) that is "awed" 
and IE is stuck waiting for it ? while Safari threads requests 
differently ...

Regarding the layout - use a pro ...

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RE: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-28 Thread marc fleury
I will be contacting the hosters it seems the network is a bit screwed
up
marcf

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> Ok, what can be done to solve that problem? In the end it is slow no 
> matter who's the problem...
> 
> /L
> 
> fredagen den 28 mars 2003 kl 12.34 skrev julien viet:
> 
> > application is not slow, the bandwidth is small.
> >
> > the box is all the time in iddle and the average time for 
> computing a 
> > page is 17 ms.
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> > julien.
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Re[4]: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-28 Thread julien viet
I dont' say that, the problem is clearly the provider for me. I
thought everyone would have noticed that. We are working on it.

>> application is not slow, the bandwidth is small.
>>
>> the box is all the time in iddle and the average time for
>> computing a page is 17 ms.

HB> This is IMHO the badest kind-of-answer i must read from time to time in 
HB> other places.
HB> "If you have a problem, then you have a problem. It is not my problem: 
HB> I will show you. Die with your problem"

HB> not the communication level what i have had the last few years in 
HB> jboss.org

HB> bax

>> julien.
>>
>> RG> i could just get to the site after 6 hrs of trying and its damn 
>> slow
>> RG> looks to cluttered to me..the links ought to be more organized...
>> RG> its somehow not as attention grabbing as the prev one
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Re: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-28 Thread Holger Baxmann
application is not slow, the bandwidth is small.

the box is all the time in iddle and the average time for
computing a page is 17 ms.
This is IMHO the badest kind-of-answer i must read from time to time in 
other places.
"If you have a problem, then you have a problem. It is not my problem: 
I will show you. Die with your problem"

not the communication level what i have had the last few years in 
jboss.org

bax

julien.

RG> i could just get to the site after 6 hrs of trying and its damn 
slow
RG> looks to cluttered to me..the links ought to be more organized...
RG> its somehow not as attention grabbing as the prev one

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Re: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-28 Thread Lennart Petersson
Ok, what can be done to solve that problem? In the end it is slow no 
matter who's the problem...

/L

fredagen den 28 mars 2003 kl 12.34 skrev julien viet:

application is not slow, the bandwidth is small.

the box is all the time in iddle and the average time for
computing a page is 17 ms.
julien.


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Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-28 Thread julien viet
application is not slow, the bandwidth is small.

the box is all the time in iddle and the average time for
computing a page is 17 ms.

julien.

RG> i could just get to the site after 6 hrs of trying and its damn slow
RG> looks to cluttered to me..the links ought to be more organized...
RG> its somehow not as attention grabbing as the prev one


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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-28 Thread Rahul Ganjoo

i could just get to the site after 6 hrs of trying and its damn slow
looks to cluttered to me..the links ought to be more organized...
its somehow not as attention grabbing as the prev one


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Re: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Bernd Koecke
Hi,

possible another bug. When i enter the project site, i get no content in the 
middle. Is it a bug or a problem with my browser (mozilla 1.3 on Linux)?

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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Rahul Ganjoo
I cant access the site!! been trying for sometime now!! http 500!

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Juha-P Lindfors wrote:
> It's not the new look that is bad (the red bar and the menu) its all 
> the other stuff that blinks worse than your average porn site. An 
> eyesore. Too much stuff that just bounces around.

You a regular "average porn site" browser, Juha?

I agree though, there's too much flashing stuff, and I don't see why the

main logo uses flash - I always have it killed off in Mozilla and all I 
get is an empty box. Why not just have a plain image?

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Re: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Luke Taylor
Juha-P Lindfors wrote:
It's not the new look that is bad (the red bar and the menu) its all the
other stuff that blinks worse than your average porn site. An eyesore. Too
much stuff that just bounces around.
You a regular "average porn site" browser, Juha?

I agree though, there's too much flashing stuff, and I don't see why the 
main logo uses flash - I always have it killed off in Mozilla and all I 
get is an empty box. Why not just have a plain image?

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Re: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Anders Engström
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:23:39PM +0200, Juha-P Lindfors wrote:
> 
> It's not the new look that is bad (the red bar and the menu) its all the
> other stuff that blinks worse than your average porn site. An eyesore. Too
> much stuff that just bounces around.

I second that... It looks like a christmas tree on steroids :) Animated
GIFs are a big no-no. It's a bit hard to actually see the information on
the entry-page for all those flashy ads.

> 
> Looks is good, should continue to apply it to the rest of the stuff.
> Layout is bad, needs a complete redesign (mostly ads).

Yepp... layout is not so nice. I would like to see more actual content
on the front-page, and less "big-flashin' ads". Have a look at the
entry-page at technet.oracle.com - that's a pretty nice layout.

//Anders

> -- Juha
> 
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, marc fleury wrote:
> 
> > Points taken on the website.
> >
> > Do you prefer the look though? we are trying the more "pro" approach.  I
> > think it sucks but ben my sales guy is all excited about it... what do
> > you think?  we just released NUKES, the forums were switched and yes we
> > lost a couple of hours of posts. Apologies and thanks for sending us
> > broken links and stuff.
> >
> > As for the TSS "hate" it is not hate, it is simple jealousy.  We said
> > for the first time that we make money and that we share it.
> >
> > Put yourself in the shoes of the mediocrity that usually reads/writes
> > there and he used to sit smug thinking about how DUMB we are because we
> > do open source and we probably BEG for money and all of the sudden
> > BM we make money while he struggles to keep his stupid company
> > afloat.
> >
> > Jealousy is a deep reptilian feeling that in fact takes precedence over
> > common sense. It is a fact of life.  The more success we have the more
> > we are going to see of that, I mean think MS the biggest and baddest of
> > them all attracts even more jealousy.
> >
> > Meaning: let them be jealous and lets stay the course, we will start
> > receiving resumes from these mediocrities that never wrote a line of OSS
> > code in the coming weeks,
> >
> > stay the course
> >
> > marcf
> >
> >
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> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf Of Lennart Petersson
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:29 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site
> > >
> > >
> > > Please would it possible to have JBoss site stabilised? As it is
> > > now you never know what it will be like next time surfing
> > > there and
> > > forum messages that i sent yesterday is now suddenly gone and other
> > > threads reports to be updated but they arent And are there really
> > > 620 guests on-line :)
> > >
> > > I know there is development going on but does it have to affect the
> > > production site? Especially since there is a lot of JBoss
> > > hate going on
> > > (look at TSS if you haven't yet) I think there will be a lot
> > > of curious
> > > people coming surfing and this is not what I want them to see...
> > >
> > > /L
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Alex Sumner
Don't know if it's just a coincidence, but for the last day or so I
usually can't get to the JBoss site. I get the error:

Could not connect because of networking problems. Contact your system
administrator. (CANT_CONNECT)

Could this be anything to do with the changes? I haven't noticed any
other problems with my web connection.

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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Juha-P Lindfors

convert the main page text box titles  to use same style as in menu and
side bars.


On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, marc fleury wrote:

> OK fine, be specific on where you would put them,
>
> marcf
>
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> >
> >
> >
> > no I am saying rethink how you lay them out -- having them
> > appear all over the place (top, bottom, several on both
> > sides) like they are now doesn't look very good.
> >
> > its a layout issue, it sucks
> >


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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Juha-P Lindfors

move main menu on left side to top because now it is in different place
everytime depending what ad is on top of it, try to keep all pics on the
same side of the page (docu, faces, ad), get rid of the ad box at the
bottom of every page and cycle them on the top bar

-- Juha



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> OK fine, be specific on where you would put them,
>
> marcf
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> >
> >
> >
> > no I am saying rethink how you lay them out -- having them
> > appear all over the place (top, bottom, several on both
> > sides) like they are now doesn't look very good.
> >
> > its a layout issue, it sucks
> >
> >
> >  On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, marc fleury wrote:
> >
> > > you are saying get rid of the ads?
> > >
> > > that is not going to be possible right now :)
> > >
> > > if it is something more precise let me know
> > >
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Juha-P Lindfors
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Jeff Haynie wrote:
>
> Also, when I try and login, I get a "Logging you in, hang tight!" and
> the page never returns  The IE globe spins to infinity

works for me, when the site is actually responding (IE6 + W2K)

however, the "remember me" thingy doesnt work, probably something to do
with cookies and something julien should have a look at

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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread marc fleury
OK fine, be specific on where you would put them, 

marcf

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> 
> 
> 
> no I am saying rethink how you lay them out -- having them 
> appear all over the place (top, bottom, several on both 
> sides) like they are now doesn't look very good.
> 
> its a layout issue, it sucks
> 
> 
>  On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, marc fleury wrote:
> 
> > you are saying get rid of the ads?
> >
> > that is not going to be possible right now :)
> >
> > if it is something more precise let me know
> >
> > marcf
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Juha-P Lindfors

no I am saying rethink how you lay them out -- having them appear all over
the place (top, bottom, several on both sides) like they are now doesn't
look very good.

its a layout issue, it sucks


 On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, marc fleury wrote:

> you are saying get rid of the ads?
>
> that is not going to be possible right now :)
>
> if it is something more precise let me know
>
> marcf
>


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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Rupp,Heiko
Marc,

> if it is something more precise let me know

Replace the top left jboss flash-image with a gif/png/... one.
Not everyone has flash enabled.

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Re: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Hunter Hillegas
I think it looks good in general but on my Mac, I have to have the window
almost as big as my screen (15.2" Powerbook) to get the whole layout in...
Instead of re-sizing as I make the window smaller, I get scroll bars... So
perhaps you have some tables that are forcing a large layout?

> From: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:58:41 -0500
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site
> 
> Do you prefer the look though? we are trying the more "pro" approach.  I
> think it sucks but ben my sales guy is all excited about it... what do
> you think?  we just released NUKES, the forums were switched and yes we
> lost a couple of hours of posts. Apologies and thanks for sending us
> broken links and stuff.  



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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Jeff Haynie
On IE6.0 on W2K, the drop downs on the front page, such as
Forums...Development, doesn't do anything.  However, if I click on
Forums... It goes to the main forums page.

Also, when I try and login, I get a "Logging you in, hang tight!" and
the page never returns  The IE globe spins to infinity

-Original Message-
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fleury
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you are saying get rid of the ads?

that is not going to be possible right now :)

if it is something more precise let me know

marcf

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Juha-P Lindfors
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:24 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site
> 
> 
> 
> It's not the new look that is bad (the red bar and the menu)
> its all the other stuff that blinks worse than your average 
> porn site. An eyesore. Too much stuff that just bounces around.
> 
> Looks is good, should continue to apply it to the rest of the
> stuff. Layout is bad, needs a complete redesign (mostly ads).
> 
> -- Juha
> 
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, marc fleury wrote:
> 
> > Points taken on the website.
> >
> > Do you prefer the look though? we are trying the more "pro"
> approach.
> > I think it sucks but ben my sales guy is all excited about
> it... what
> > do you think?  we just released NUKES, the forums were switched and
> > yes we lost a couple of hours of posts. Apologies and thanks for 
> > sending us broken links and stuff.
> >
> > As for the TSS "hate" it is not hate, it is simple
> jealousy.  We said
> > for the first time that we make money and that we share it.
> >
> > Put yourself in the shoes of the mediocrity that usually
> reads/writes
> > there and he used to sit smug thinking about how DUMB we
> are because
> > we do open source and we probably BEG for money and all of
> the sudden
> > BM we make money while he struggles to keep his stupid company
> > afloat.
> >
> > Jealousy is a deep reptilian feeling that in fact takes precedence
> > over common sense. It is a fact of life.  The more success 
> we have the
> > more we are going to see of that, I mean think MS the biggest and
> > baddest of them all attracts even more jealousy.
> >
> > Meaning: let them be jealous and lets stay the course, we
> will start
> > receiving resumes from these mediocrities that never wrote
> a line of
> > OSS code in the coming weeks,
> >
> > stay the course
> >
> > marcf
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of
> > > Lennart Petersson
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:29 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site
> > >
> > >
> > > Please would it possible to have JBoss site
> stabilised? As it is
> > > now you never know what it will be like next time surfing
> there
> > > and forum messages that i sent yesterday is now suddenly gone and
> > > other threads reports to be updated but they arent 
> And are there
> > > really 620 guests on-line :)
> > >
> > > I know there is development going on but does it have to
> affect the
> > > production site? Especially since there is a lot of JBoss
> hate going
> > > on (look at TSS if you haven't yet) I think there will be a lot of

> > > curious people coming surfing and this is not what I want them to 
> > > see...
> > >
> > > /L
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Stephan . Frind

Little bug:

- go to User registration/login
- press Retrieve lost password

result:
Module NS-LostPassword has not been found 

Regards,
Stephan

RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread marc fleury
you are saying get rid of the ads?

that is not going to be possible right now :)

if it is something more precise let me know

marcf

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Juha-P Lindfors
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:24 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site
> 
> 
> 
> It's not the new look that is bad (the red bar and the menu) 
> its all the other stuff that blinks worse than your average 
> porn site. An eyesore. Too much stuff that just bounces around.
> 
> Looks is good, should continue to apply it to the rest of the 
> stuff. Layout is bad, needs a complete redesign (mostly ads).
> 
> -- Juha
> 
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, marc fleury wrote:
> 
> > Points taken on the website.
> >
> > Do you prefer the look though? we are trying the more "pro" 
> approach.  
> > I think it sucks but ben my sales guy is all excited about 
> it... what 
> > do you think?  we just released NUKES, the forums were switched and 
> > yes we lost a couple of hours of posts. Apologies and thanks for 
> > sending us broken links and stuff.
> >
> > As for the TSS "hate" it is not hate, it is simple 
> jealousy.  We said 
> > for the first time that we make money and that we share it.
> >
> > Put yourself in the shoes of the mediocrity that usually 
> reads/writes 
> > there and he used to sit smug thinking about how DUMB we 
> are because 
> > we do open source and we probably BEG for money and all of 
> the sudden 
> > BM we make money while he struggles to keep his stupid company 
> > afloat.
> >
> > Jealousy is a deep reptilian feeling that in fact takes precedence 
> > over common sense. It is a fact of life.  The more success 
> we have the 
> > more we are going to see of that, I mean think MS the biggest and 
> > baddest of them all attracts even more jealousy.
> >
> > Meaning: let them be jealous and lets stay the course, we 
> will start 
> > receiving resumes from these mediocrities that never wrote 
> a line of 
> > OSS code in the coming weeks,
> >
> > stay the course
> >
> > marcf
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of 
> > > Lennart Petersson
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:29 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site
> > >
> > >
> > > Please would it possible to have JBoss site 
> stabilised? As it is 
> > > now you never know what it will be like next time surfing 
> there 
> > > and forum messages that i sent yesterday is now suddenly gone and 
> > > other threads reports to be updated but they arent 
> And are there 
> > > really 620 guests on-line :)
> > >
> > > I know there is development going on but does it have to 
> affect the 
> > > production site? Especially since there is a lot of JBoss 
> hate going 
> > > on (look at TSS if you haven't yet) I think there will be a lot
> > > of curious
> > > people coming surfing and this is not what I want them to see...
> > >
> > > /L
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Rupp,Heiko
Marc,

the new site is nice

> Do you prefer the look though? we are trying the more "pro" 

The page width is too big. It needs horizontal scrolling even on
1024x768. I think it should be limited to somewhat around 750 pixels
in width (or let the middle content collapse/expand in width depending
on how the user choose his browser size).

Also without flash(?) (running mozilla) the start page looks somewhat
unpleasing ..


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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Juha-P Lindfors

It's not the new look that is bad (the red bar and the menu) its all the
other stuff that blinks worse than your average porn site. An eyesore. Too
much stuff that just bounces around.

Looks is good, should continue to apply it to the rest of the stuff.
Layout is bad, needs a complete redesign (mostly ads).

-- Juha

On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, marc fleury wrote:

> Points taken on the website.
>
> Do you prefer the look though? we are trying the more "pro" approach.  I
> think it sucks but ben my sales guy is all excited about it... what do
> you think?  we just released NUKES, the forums were switched and yes we
> lost a couple of hours of posts. Apologies and thanks for sending us
> broken links and stuff.
>
> As for the TSS "hate" it is not hate, it is simple jealousy.  We said
> for the first time that we make money and that we share it.
>
> Put yourself in the shoes of the mediocrity that usually reads/writes
> there and he used to sit smug thinking about how DUMB we are because we
> do open source and we probably BEG for money and all of the sudden
> BM we make money while he struggles to keep his stupid company
> afloat.
>
> Jealousy is a deep reptilian feeling that in fact takes precedence over
> common sense. It is a fact of life.  The more success we have the more
> we are going to see of that, I mean think MS the biggest and baddest of
> them all attracts even more jealousy.
>
> Meaning: let them be jealous and lets stay the course, we will start
> receiving resumes from these mediocrities that never wrote a line of OSS
> code in the coming weeks,
>
> stay the course
>
> marcf
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Lennart Petersson
> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:29 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site
> >
> >
> > Please would it possible to have JBoss site stabilised? As it is
> > now you never know what it will be like next time surfing
> > there and
> > forum messages that i sent yesterday is now suddenly gone and other
> > threads reports to be updated but they arent And are there really
> > 620 guests on-line :)
> >
> > I know there is development going on but does it have to affect the
> > production site? Especially since there is a lot of JBoss
> > hate going on
> > (look at TSS if you haven't yet) I think there will be a lot
> > of curious
> > people coming surfing and this is not what I want them to see...
> >
> > /L
> >
> >
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread marc fleury
Points taken on the website. 

Do you prefer the look though? we are trying the more "pro" approach.  I
think it sucks but ben my sales guy is all excited about it... what do
you think?  we just released NUKES, the forums were switched and yes we
lost a couple of hours of posts. Apologies and thanks for sending us
broken links and stuff.  

As for the TSS "hate" it is not hate, it is simple jealousy.  We said
for the first time that we make money and that we share it. 

Put yourself in the shoes of the mediocrity that usually reads/writes
there and he used to sit smug thinking about how DUMB we are because we
do open source and we probably BEG for money and all of the sudden
BM we make money while he struggles to keep his stupid company
afloat. 

Jealousy is a deep reptilian feeling that in fact takes precedence over
common sense. It is a fact of life.  The more success we have the more
we are going to see of that, I mean think MS the biggest and baddest of
them all attracts even more jealousy. 

Meaning: let them be jealous and lets stay the course, we will start
receiving resumes from these mediocrities that never wrote a line of OSS
code in the coming weeks, 

stay the course

marcf
 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Lennart Petersson
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:29 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site
> 
> 
> Please would it possible to have JBoss site stabilised? As it is 
> now you never know what it will be like next time surfing 
> there and 
> forum messages that i sent yesterday is now suddenly gone and other 
> threads reports to be updated but they arent And are there really 
> 620 guests on-line :)
> 
> I know there is development going on but does it have to affect the 
> production site? Especially since there is a lot of JBoss 
> hate going on 
> (look at TSS if you haven't yet) I think there will be a lot 
> of curious 
> people coming surfing and this is not what I want them to see...
> 
> /L
> 
> 
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[JBoss-dev] Regarding JBoss site

2003-03-27 Thread Lennart Petersson
Please would it possible to have JBoss site stabilised? As it is 
now you never know what it will be like next time surfing there and 
forum messages that i sent yesterday is now suddenly gone and other 
threads reports to be updated but they arent And are there really 
620 guests on-line :)

I know there is development going on but does it have to affect the 
production site? Especially since there is a lot of JBoss hate going on 
(look at TSS if you haven't yet) I think there will be a lot of curious 
people coming surfing and this is not what I want them to see...

/L



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