Re: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread Karim Trott

May be I thinking too simple but isn't it feasable to invoke JMode by
M-x j-mode ?

Besides I love jde and would also contribute if you need to raise a fund
for jde / jmode.

Karim.



ANN: Name Change Plans

2001-07-18 Thread Paul Kinnucan

Hi All,

Taking into consideration your feedback and on the advice of Richard
Stallman, I have decided to accede to J.D. Edwards demand that I change the
name of the JDE. I plan to send a letter notifying them of my decision
tomorrow.

I have decided to use JMode as the new name of the JDE because it has an
Emacs flavor, is not trademarked in the U.S., and has received generally
favorable comments from JDE users. I have asked Sunsite Denmark to provide
me with a new set of domain, mailing list, and repository addresses based
on jmode. To ease the transition to the new name, I have asked Sunsite
Denmark to redirect the old addresses to the new. I will let you know as
soon as the new addresses become effective. I will start changing the name
on the JDE website pages and in the documentation over the next few days. I
have not decided whether to change the name in the source code yet but I
probably will ASAP to avoid confusion.

If you can think of anything else that I can do to minimize the impact of
this name change on you, please let me know.

Regards,

Paul 



Re: Name Change Plans

2001-07-18 Thread William BC Crandall


 I have decided to use JMode as the new name of the JDE because it has an
 Emacs flavor, is not trademarked in the U.S., and has received generally
 favorable comments from JDE users. 

Good choice. Good name. Path of least resistance; back to coding success.

Congratulations, and good luck with the new identity.


BC Crandall
Wiesbaden Germany
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread jesper

You wrote:
 At 01:48 PM 7/18/2001 +0200, Karim Trott wrote:
 May be I thinking too simple but isn't it feasable to invoke JMode by
 M-x j-mode ?
 
 Yes, one possibility is to replace jde- with j- in symbol names, on the
 analogy of c-mode. Another is jmode-. Thus, jde-global-classpath might
 become j-global-classpath or jmode-global-classpath. 
 I'd appreciate feedback on these alternatives.

I think jmode- is much better than j- as prefix. The mode activation function could be 
called jmode though.

Too bad you have to change the name, JDE is a well known name for Java programmers 
now. It's kinda scary that big companies can have such power of us small, hard working 
developers. I hope nobody starts complaining about ECB...

/Jesper Nordenberg



Re: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread eric


In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Kinnucan write
s:
: Yes, one possibility is to replace jde- with j- in symbol names, on the
: analogy of c-mode. Another is jmode-. Thus, jde-global-classpath might
: become j-global-classpath or jmode-global-classpath. 

I would very much prefer jmode- as a prefix, but I'm not gonna lose sleep
over it.



RE: Go to definition/declaration of a identifier ?

2001-07-18 Thread Javier Lopez

 Is there a method in JDE that could jump to the 
 definition/declaration of a
 identifier ?
Yes, M-x senator-jump or C-c , j

This just work for global definitions/declarations

Javier




convert multiple imports into .*

2001-07-18 Thread Max Rydahl Andersen


The jde-import-kill-extra-imports is great, but how about a option to
collapse multiple imports from the same package to a .* import ?

It should ofcourse be optional and there might be a
jde-import-collapse-threshold that decided how many imports from the same
package the file should have before it should start creating .*'s

Just an idea

Regards
--
Max Rydahl Andersen, Software Engineer
 ---
 Medfork, Margrethepladsen 3, 8000  Aarhus C, Denmark
 Tel: +45 8732 8787 / Fax: +45 8732 8788






Re: ANN: Name Change Plans

2001-07-18 Thread Stephane

You sure made a right choice Paul,
I just can't stop thinking to the next JMode release :)

Will we be transfered to the new mailing list's user list ?

Stephane

On Wednesday 18 July 2001 07:53, you wrote:
 Hi All,

 Taking into consideration your feedback and on the advice of Richard
 Stallman, I have decided to accede to J.D. Edwards demand that I change the
 name of the JDE. I plan to send a letter notifying them of my decision
 tomorrow.

 I have decided to use JMode as the new name of the JDE because it has an
 Emacs flavor, is not trademarked in the U.S., and has received generally
 favorable comments from JDE users. I have asked Sunsite Denmark to provide
 me with a new set of domain, mailing list, and repository addresses based
 on jmode. To ease the transition to the new name, I have asked Sunsite
 Denmark to redirect the old addresses to the new. I will let you know as
 soon as the new addresses become effective. I will start changing the name
 on the JDE website pages and in the documentation over the next few days. I
 have not decided whether to change the name in the source code yet but I
 probably will ASAP to avoid confusion.

 If you can think of anything else that I can do to minimize the impact of
 this name change on you, please let me know.

 Regards,

 Paul



Re: ANN: Name Change Plans

2001-07-18 Thread Stephane

Contacting slashdot would be interesting 
 1- to let open source community know what has happened with this story.
It seemes it 's not the last time trademark and patents will hit open source 
projects.
 2- to get some advertising for the new name, to avoid loosing users.

Steff

On Wednesday 18 July 2001 07:53, Paul Kinnucan wrote:
 Hi All,

 Taking into consideration your feedback and on the advice of Richard
 Stallman, I have decided to accede to J.D. Edwards demand that I change the
 name of the JDE. I plan to send a letter notifying them of my decision
 tomorrow.

 I have decided to use JMode as the new name of the JDE because it has an
 Emacs flavor, is not trademarked in the U.S., and has received generally
 favorable comments from JDE users. I have asked Sunsite Denmark to provide
 me with a new set of domain, mailing list, and repository addresses based
 on jmode. To ease the transition to the new name, I have asked Sunsite
 Denmark to redirect the old addresses to the new. I will let you know as
 soon as the new addresses become effective. I will start changing the name
 on the JDE website pages and in the documentation over the next few days. I
 have not decided whether to change the name in the source code yet but I
 probably will ASAP to avoid confusion.

 If you can think of anything else that I can do to minimize the impact of
 this name change on you, please let me know.

 Regards,

 Paul



RE: jde-ant

2001-07-18 Thread Nick Sieger

Hi Douglas,

This is also kind of a hack, but basically I advise the function
`compile-internal' to put the value of `jde-global-classpath' in $CLASSPATH
for the duration of the compilation.  Has anyone else solved this problem of
propagating jde-global-classpath to compiles more elegantly than this?

(defadvice compile-internal (around njs-apply-jde-global-classpath-to-make
compile activate)
  Hack compile-internal to apply the current jde-global-classpath as
the make process's classpath.  Also force load of jde project if not
already loaded.
  (let ((process-environment process-environment))
(if (and (string-equal default jde-project-name)
 (jde-find-project-file default-directory))
(jde-load-project-file))
(setq process-environment (remove-if
   (lambda (x)
 (string-match ^CLASSPATH= x))
   process-environment))
(add-to-list 'process-environment
 (concat CLASSPATH= (jde-global-classpath)))
ad-do-it))

Now if you're going to need several different classpaths depending on the
target, you're probably best off coding those classpaths into the ant build
file.

Best,

/Nick

-Original Message-
From: Douglas WF Acheson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: jde-ant


Hello,

   After finally moving to ant to build my java apps I would like to
use the jde-ant feature (new name jmode-ant :-)  I have played with it
for the last few days.  I found a potential problem using XEmacs.  I
had to add the following code
from
  (let ((temp last-nonmen-event))
to
  (let ((temp (if (boundp 'last-nonmenu-event)
  last-nonmen-event
  nil)))
to avoid getting a
   Symbol's value as variable is void: last-nonmenu-event
error.

Anyways, it works -- if someone can let me know what I can do to not
use this hack, that would be good.

  Another interesting problem, I have custom targets in the ant build
project.  How do I adjust the classpath for ant so I can add my jar
files.

  Any help would be very appreciated.

Douglas WF Acheson


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JDebug question

2001-07-18 Thread Alan Zall

What is the recomended way to debug servlets? I was just specifying the
servlet engine as the application to be debugged and then setting
breakpoints in my coe. However, this stopped working and I found that when I
changed to using a port, it became too slow to work with.

Should I change to use shared memory? Are there parameters I should tweak to
give it more memory?





Re: ANN: Name Change Plans

2001-07-18 Thread Ben Speakmon

On 18 Jul 2001 07:53:03 -0400, Paul Kinnucan wrote:

 If you can think of anything else that I can do to minimize the impact of
 this name change on you, please let me know.

Shall we trademark JMode just in case? It seems many of us, me included,
are willing to help defer the legal cost of one.




Re: ANN: Name Change Plans

2001-07-18 Thread Paul Kinnucan


- Original Message - 
From: Stephane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Paul Kinnucan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: ANN: Name Change Plans


 You sure made a right choice Paul,
 I just can't stop thinking to the next JMode release :)
 
 Will we be transfered to the new mailing list's user list ?
 

Yes. Everybody on the current list will be transferred to the new list.

- Paul




Re: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread William L Anderson


  jmode- is a good choice; could use jm- for an abbreviation if it's
not already in use in another emacs package.

-WLA




Re: ANN: Name Change Plans

2001-07-18 Thread eric


: Shall we trademark JMode just in case? It seems many of us, me included,
: are willing to help defer the legal cost of one.

Can the FSF help in this area?  That is, could the FSF set up a dedicated
fund for JMode's trademark (to which we could contribute) and take care
of whatever paperwork there is?

Keep in mind that part of owning a trademark is defending it - if
you don't send out cease and desist letters to people who violate it,
you can't later claim that they violated your rights.  Perhaps the FSF
would be willing to oversee the `trademark watch' that protects trademark
holders from such abuses?  (I must note here that I have mixed feelings
about this - the whole idea of saying that these letters are mine and you
may not use them is really very silly, but that's the way things are)

Getting the FSF involved would have several advantages that I can think of:

1. Paul wouldn't have to waste any more time on this;
2. Because of 1, jde 2.8 final will be out sooner smile
3. A precedent would be established that other open source projects could
   follow.
4. cravenness shame='none'Those of us in the US who make contributions 
   to the fund could get a tax credit for contributing to a qualified 
   non-profit organization./cravenness

Eric



Re: ANN: Name Change Plans

2001-07-18 Thread Udalrich

At 09:12 AM 7/18/01 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

: Shall we trademark JMode just in case? It seems many of us, me included,
: are willing to help defer the legal cost of one.

Can the FSF help in this area?  That is, could the FSF set up a dedicated
fund for JMode's trademark (to which we could contribute) and take care
of whatever paperwork there is?

Keep in mind that part of owning a trademark is defending it - if
you don't send out cease and desist letters to people who violate it,
you can't later claim that they violated your rights.

Is that actually an issue here?  The interest in getting the trademark is 
to prevent some company from sending Paul another cease and desist letter, 
not to monopolize the word JMode.  Even if he loses the rights, I doubt 
that someone else could trademark it and force him off of it.  At the very 
least, he's got a very strong case for prior use.

This leads me to wonder if it would even be necessary to renew the 
trademark, making this a one-time expense.

Troy
who is not a lawyer




Re: Should the JDE require ECB?

2001-07-18 Thread Brad Giaccio

Paul,

I've played with ecb a little bit, it was a few revisions back though.
And I didn't find it all that useful to me.  Maybe if you could sell me 
on what it brings to the table that speedbar/semantic can't do for me.
It just felt very cluttered to me.  An on a 1600x1200 display making feel
cluttered is no small task.

Brad

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 01:02:11AM -0400, Paul Kinnucan wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I have come to rely on the Emacs Code Browser (ECB) and would like to
 integrate it into the JDE. This would entail making ECB yet another
 external package required by the JDE. The benefit, however, is that the JDE
 would provide facilities for using ECB, such as keybindings and menu items
 for toggling ECB off-and-on and setting up ECB to browse
 jde-db-source-directories. What do you think?
 
 I've also started working on a Java-based netinstaller for the JDE that
 would download and uncompress the JDE and all its required packages and set
 up your .emacs file. I might even include installing Emacs itself (on
 Windows) and cygwin as netinstaller options.
 
 This should eventually eliminate the problem of having to download and
 install so many packages.
 
 - Paul

-- 
--- There are two kinds of knowledge, you either know the answer or
you know where to find it
  -Kane, Johnson, and anonymous



ECB v1.40 released!

2001-07-18 Thread Jesper Nordenberg

ECB, Emacs Code Browser, version 1.40 is now available at:

http://home.swipnet.se/mayhem/ecb.html

ECB is a source code browser that displays directories,
source files, methods and variables that can be navigated
using the mouse (and keyboard). It supports parsing of Java,
C, C++ and Elisp source code. It is completely written in
Emacs Lisp and uses semantic to parse source files.

Major changes since last version:

- ECB now requires semantic 1.4beta8 or later!

- ECB is now a global minor mode with it's own menu ECB
  and it's own keymap with prefix C-c ..

- Better integration with semantic: 

  - ECB now uses semantic functions to display tokens in the
methods buffer.

  - Only changed tokens are updated in the methods buffer.  

  - Can display any semantic token type in the methods buffer.

- Added a token tree cache that stores recently opened
  buffers' token trees. This makes the buffer switching much
  faster and also saves expanded token tree nodes.

- Better support for small screens:

  - A new layout, nr. 11.

  - New function to toggle visibility of the ECB windows
(see 'ecb-toggle-ecb-windows').


Contributions, suggestions and bug reports are welcome!
Please send them to the public mailing list:

http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ecb-list

/Jesper Nordenberg





Block comment indentation

2001-07-18 Thread Molitor, Stephen

I have some old files where block comments are not formmated the way I want.
They are like this:

/**
*
*
*/

The stars are flush left.  Instead I want this:

/**
 *
 *
 */

Now, JDE correctly indents this way when I type new comments.  However, I
would like to reformat my old code automagically using indent-region.  This
might have been working, I don't remember.  But recently I changed my
settings and downloaded a new JDE (2.2.8beta3), and now it's not working.
Maybe it never did this, I don't know.  Anyway, does anyone know what
settings control this?  Is this more of of cc-mode question?  If so, sorry
for asking here.

Thanks!

Steve Molitor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread Latchezar M. Dimitrov

Hi,

I like jmode too. How about slight change with big consequencies?:-)
That is, jdm (java development mode of course)?

Thanks and sorry if it's too late.

Latchezar

PS. BTW, I've made a suggestion for j-d-e earlier but haven't heard any 
comments?

Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm
From: William L Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:15:11 -0400
To: Paul Kinnucan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Renaming Proposal


  jmode- is a good choice; could use jm- for an abbreviation if it's
not already in use in another emacs package.

-WLA



Latchezar (Lucho) Dimitrov home: (336) 794-2094   
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.wfu.edu/~dimil01g/

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Re: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread Matthew Sherborne

To invoke jde-mode do you type
jmode-mode or jmode ? :)





RE: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread Schewe, Jon (MN65)

Yeah and what do you put at the top of a file to invoke it?

-*- j -*-

?

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew Sherborne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 4:56 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Renaming Proposal
 
 
 To invoke jde-mode do you type
 jmode-mode or jmode ? :)
 
 



RE: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread Petter Måhlén

Is jmode short for Jmode is MOre than a Development Environment?

Jmode Makes Other De:s Extinct?
Jmode Means Ok Development Environment?

-Original Message-
From: Latchezar M. Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: den 18 juli 2001 23:29
To: Paul Kinnucan
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Renaming Proposal


Hi,

I like jmode too. How about slight change with big consequencies?:-)
That is, jdm (java development mode of course)?

Thanks and sorry if it's too late.

Latchezar

PS. BTW, I've made a suggestion for j-d-e earlier but haven't heard any
comments?

Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm
From: William L Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:15:11 -0400
To: Paul Kinnucan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Renaming Proposal


  jmode- is a good choice; could use jm- for an abbreviation if it's
not already in use in another emacs package.

-WLA



Latchezar (Lucho) Dimitrov home: (336) 794-2094
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.wfu.edu/~dimil01g/

... If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
-- Derek Bok, president of Harvard




Re: ANN: Name Change Plans

2001-07-18 Thread eric


In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Udalrich wri
tes:
: 
: Keep in mind that part of owning a trademark is defending it - if
: you don't send out cease and desist letters to people who violate it,
: you can't later claim that they violated your rights.
: 
: Is that actually an issue here?  The interest in getting the trademark is 
: to prevent some company from sending Paul another cease and desist letter, 
: not to monopolize the word JMode.  Even if he loses the rights, I doubt 
: that someone else could trademark it and force him off of it.  At the very 
: least, he's got a very strong case for prior use.

IANAL, but I believe it is an issue.  In the US, I believe the rule is
defend it or lose it.  Now that may mean that if you don't defend it,
others can use it (which I'm sure would be fine with Paul).  But, it may
also mean that those who use it can get the USPTO to agree that you've
stopped defending it and so *they* should be eligible for exclusivity
on the TM.  I don't know if this is true or not for trademarks, but it
merits investigation.

Also, remember that it's not a one time expense: TMs expire and have
to be renewed.  That's what happened to JD Edwards, as others on this
list have explained it - they let their TM lapse for a year or so,
right around the time the JDE... er...Jmode was born.

Eric speculatingly wildly Friedman



Re: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread Rick Leir



Jim LoVerde wrote:

 I guess what I'm saying it that depending on the verbage of
 the letter, it may still be possible to work out an amicable

If you own a trademark but never enforce it, it loses validity.
So, it might be worthwhile for JD Edwards to flex its muscles
at us small fry just because we are an easy target, not because
they are worried we would affect their business prospects.

If we want to fight, the most effective way would be public ridicule.
But it might be better to just accept a new name.
cheers -- Rick

-- 
Rick Leir   Supply Chain Solutions
Pelyco Systems  http://www.pelyco.com
613 226 6109[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread Jim LoVerde

You are correct regarding enforcement.  Hence the reason that they sent
Paul the cease and desist notice.  However, that only means that they
took a cursory glance at JDE, saw that there might be a conflict and took
the appropriate measure to notify the potential violator.

They are probably unaware of the duration of time that JDE has been used
as well as the details of what it really is and the fact that the full
name is Java Development Environment.  For these reasons it seems
perfectly valid to provide them with the facts regarding the product,
provide several possible solutions, and request further information with
regard to their ownership of the trademark, and which sections of the law
they are citing as a violation.

Possible solutions:
1. Obtain permission from JDE to continue to use the mark.  (The owner of
a trademark is fully allowed to grant others permission to use the mark
while still retaining rights to it.)
2. Don't use the letters JDE in the logo, or at least incorporate the
full product name (which may very well be their largest objection).
3. Place a notice on the website referring users who errantly went to the
page to the JD Edwards site.

Again, I am not proposing replying to JD Edwards with a challenge.
Rather, I am proposing a request for further information.  It seems to at
least be worth a try before jumping through a lot of hoops for something
that might be amicably worked out.  One could also point out the bad
press companies have received for hitting open source projects and offer
to submit a story showing JDE as a counter example to that general trend.

I would not recommend asking them if JDEE is an acceptable name without
first changing the name of the product on the web site and getting formal
proof of use of the name (after which any future trademarking is
irrelevant due to common law).  Otherwise, they could submit an ITU
trademark registration for the new name prior to that decision.


Rick Leir wrote:

 Jim LoVerde wrote:

  I guess what I'm saying it that depending on the verbage of
  the letter, it may still be possible to work out an amicable

 If you own a trademark but never enforce it, it loses validity.
 So, it might be worthwhile for JD Edwards to flex its muscles
 at us small fry just because we are an easy target, not because
 they are worried we would affect their business prospects.

 If we want to fight, the most effective way would be public ridicule.
 But it might be better to just accept a new name.
 cheers -- Rick

 --
 Rick Leir   Supply Chain Solutions
 Pelyco Systems  http://www.pelyco.com
 613 226 6109[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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RE: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread Paul Kinnucan

At 02:42 PM 7/18/2001 -0700, Iain Huxley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sure you're sick of naming comments etc. by now, and it may be too late,
but:

In some ways using the word mode understates what JDE can do for you - it
makes it seem like just some formatting helper; the rich set of features is
better indicated by development environment.


I agree. I am not entirely satisfied with JMode for exactly the reason you
cite. I would like to retain the words development environment in the name.
So I have been having second thoughts about JMode. I've asked Sunsite
Denmark to hold off on making the name change in order to give us some more
time to think about the name.

so, here are a couple more possibilities which retain that part:

  JIDE [java integrated development environment]
  eJIDE [emacs ...]
  j-ide
  Java-IDE

I will give these consideration and check out whether they are trademarked.

- Paul 



Re: ANN: Name Change Plans

2001-07-18 Thread Paul Kinnucan

At 03:28 PM 7/18/2001 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snip]

Also, remember that it's not a one time expense: TMs expire and have
to be renewed.  That's what happened to JD Edwards, as others on this
list have explained it - they let their TM lapse for a year or so,
right around the time the JDE... er...Jmode was born.


I created the JDE in late 1996 and posted it available on the Internet for
the first time in January, 1997.

- Paul



Re: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread Paul Kinnucan

At 12:44 AM 7/19/2001 -0400, Paul Kinnucan wrote:
Hi Jim,

I am now have second thoughts both about simply acceding and about the
choice of a name. Your comments make a lot of sense. Maybe I can reach a
middle ground with J.D. Edwards. The best scenario would be if they
accepted our continued use of JDE. If they won't accept that, I would
prefer JDEE over JMode because it is a full acronym for the J(ava)
D(evelopment) E(nvironment) for E(macs). JDEE was my first choice but I had
discarded it as possibility because somebody had said that any acronym that
contained JDE would be considered an infringement. Your research seems to
suggest that it would be okay. I will try the approach that you suggest. 


I just searched the PTO database. JDEE is not trademarked.

- Paul



Re: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread Paul Kinnucan

At 09:23 PM 7/18/2001 -0500, you wrote:
You are correct regarding enforcement.  Hence the reason that they sent
Paul the cease and desist notice.  However, that only means that they
took a cursory glance at JDE, saw that there might be a conflict and took
the appropriate measure to notify the potential violator.

They are probably unaware of the duration of time that JDE has been used
as well as the details of what it really is and the fact that the full
name is Java Development Environment.  For these reasons it seems
perfectly valid to provide them with the facts regarding the product,
provide several possible solutions, and request further information with
regard to their ownership of the trademark, and which sections of the law
they are citing as a violation.


Here is the meat of their claim:

Your use of JDE  in your organization name and on your web site is likely
to cause consumer confusion as to possible affiliation or sponsorship by 
J.D. Edwards and confusion as to the source, origin, or approval of goods and
services offered by your organization. Such use, without authorization,
constitutes
infringement of J.D. Edwards' rights in its marks and unfair competition, even
if a disclaimer is included.

Needless to say this claim is patently absurd. First, I have no
organization so it is factually wrong. Secondly, my website makes it clear
that JDE stands for Java Development Environment so there is no possibility
of a consumer confusing my software with any product or service offered by
J.D. Edwards. My site nowhwere mentions J.D. Edwards or any of its product
or services. Thirdly I do not offer any product or service that competes
with any product or service offered by J.D. Edwards.


[snip]

I would not recommend asking them if JDEE is an acceptable name without
first changing the name of the product on the web site and getting formal
proof of use of the name (after which any future trademarking is
irrelevant due to common law).  Otherwise, they could submit an ITU
trademark registration for the new name prior to that decision.


I have just changed the website back to use JDEE to forestall such a move.

- Paul



Re: jde-ant

2001-07-18 Thread jason . stell


Douglas

Regarding your second issue, I typically do something like the following in
my ant build.xml file

   !-- Path element containing all jar files in lib directory --
   path id=lib.class.path
 fileset dir=${lib.dir}
   include name=**/*.jar/
 /fileset
   /path

Then, in my javac task, I have something like the following

 classpath
   pathelement location=${build.dest.dir}/
   path refid=lib.class.path/
 /classpath

BTW: I am in the process of making some (relatively extensive) changes to
jde-ant (jmode-ant). One of the new features will be the ability to create
a new build definition file from a template.


Regards
Jason



   
 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]cc:   
 
om  Subject: jde-ant  
 
   
 
07/18/01   
 
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Hello,

   After finally moving to ant to build my java apps I would like to
use the jde-ant feature (new name jmode-ant :-)  I have played with it
for the last few days.  I found a potential problem using XEmacs.  I
had to add the following code
from
  (let ((temp last-nonmen-event))
to
  (let ((temp (if (boundp 'last-nonmenu-event)
  last-nonmen-event
 nil)))
to avoid getting a
   Symbol's value as variable is void: last-nonmenu-event
error.

Anyways, it works -- if someone can let me know what I can do to not
use this hack, that would be good.

  Another interesting problem, I have custom targets in the ant build
project.  How do I adjust the classpath for ant so I can add my jar
files.

  Any help would be very appreciated.

Douglas WF Acheson


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Re: Renaming Proposal

2001-07-18 Thread Galen Boyer

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It all comes down to the fact that sending a cease and desist
 letter seems to be a standard practice (and in fact is required
 of a trademark owner to retain the rights to a trademark).
 This doesn't mean that they will necessarily pursue litigation
 if they find that you have a valid claim on the name.  None of
 that necessarily requires any court action.

Interesting.

Is there a point at which if you don't comply, then you will be
pulled into court?  Could you just hold off until that time to
see if they are just doing this to cover their tracks?
-- 
Galen Boyer
It seems to me, I remember every single thing I know.




Re: jde-ant

2001-07-18 Thread Douglas WF Acheson

Hello,

  Thanks for the reply.  I was under the impression that the custom
tasks, the ones that I have developed need to be part of the classpath
that ant uses.  So, if I were to start ant from the command line (not
under Emacs) I would include the ant.jar, parser.jar, and jaxp.jar plus
my.jar in the -classpath option to java.  I believe that the example
below will not work correctly.

Am I missing something?

Thanks ...

Douglas WF Acheson

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Douglas
 
 Regarding your second issue, I typically do something like the
 following in
 my ant build.xml file
 
!-- Path element containing all jar files in lib directory
 --
path id=lib.class.path
  fileset dir=${lib.dir}
include name=**/*.jar/
  /fileset
/path
 
 Then, in my javac task, I have something like the following
 
  classpath
pathelement location=${build.dest.dir}/
path refid=lib.class.path/
  /classpath
 
 BTW: I am in the process of making some (relatively extensive)
 changes to
 jde-ant (jmode-ant). One of the new features will be the ability to
 create
 a new build definition file from a template.
 
 
 Regards
 Jason
 
 
 
  
   
 Douglas WF   
   
 Acheson  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: 
   
 om  Subject: jde-ant
   
  
   
 07/18/01 
   
 09:29 AM 
   
  
   
  
   
 
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
After finally moving to ant to build my java apps I would like to
 use the jde-ant feature (new name jmode-ant :-)  I have played with
 it
 for the last few days.  I found a potential problem using XEmacs.  I
 had to add the following code
 from
   (let ((temp last-nonmen-event))
 to
   (let ((temp (if (boundp 'last-nonmenu-event)
   last-nonmen-event
  nil)))
 to avoid getting a
Symbol's value as variable is void: last-nonmenu-event
 error.
 
 Anyways, it works -- if someone can let me know what I can do to not
 use this hack, that would be good.
 
   Another interesting problem, I have custom targets in the ant build
 project.  How do I adjust the classpath for ant so I can add my jar
 files.
 
   Any help would be very appreciated.
 
 Douglas WF Acheson
 
 
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Re: jde-ant

2001-07-18 Thread jason . stell


Douglas

Options:

1 - You can use the jde-ant-args custom variable to pass in the classpath
you want to use.

2 - There is a custom variable jde-ant-program that points to the script
that runs Ant. You could also edit the script (or create a new one) that
passes in the classpath you want to use; however, this isn't particularly
elegant (or portable), and I generally discourage doing anything fancy in
the script you use to run Ant.

3 - Modify your custom Ant tasks to allow specification of the classpath
(for an example, look at how the javac task is implemented).

HTH

Jason



   
 
Douglas WF 
 
Acheson  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
om  Subject: Re: jde-ant  
 
   
 
07/18/01   
 
11:30 AM   
 
   
 
   
 




Hello,

  Thanks for the reply.  I was under the impression that the custom
tasks, the ones that I have developed need to be part of the classpath
that ant uses.  So, if I were to start ant from the command line (not
under Emacs) I would include the ant.jar, parser.jar, and jaxp.jar plus
my.jar in the -classpath option to java.  I believe that the example
below will not work correctly.

Am I missing something?

Thanks ...

Douglas WF Acheson

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Douglas

 Regarding your second issue, I typically do something like the
 following in
 my ant build.xml file

!-- Path element containing all jar files in lib directory
 --
path id=lib.class.path
  fileset dir=${lib.dir}
include name=**/*.jar/
  /fileset
/path

 Then, in my javac task, I have something like the following

  classpath
pathelement location=${build.dest.dir}/
path refid=lib.class.path/
  /classpath

 BTW: I am in the process of making some (relatively extensive)
 changes to
 jde-ant (jmode-ant). One of the new features will be the ability to
 create
 a new build definition file from a template.


 Regards
 Jason





 Douglas WF

 Acheson  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc:

 om  Subject: jde-ant



 07/18/01

 09:29 AM









 Hello,

After finally moving to ant to build my java apps I would like to
 use the jde-ant feature (new name jmode-ant :-)  I have played with
 it
 for the last few days.  I found a potential problem using XEmacs.  I
 had to add the following code
 from
   (let ((temp last-nonmen-event))
 to
   (let ((temp (if (boundp 'last-nonmenu-event)
   last-nonmen-event
  nil)))
 to avoid getting a
Symbol's value as variable is void: last-nonmenu-event
 error.

 Anyways, it works -- if someone can let me know what I can do to not
 use this hack, that would be good.

   Another interesting problem, I have custom targets in the ant build
 project.  How do I adjust the classpath for ant so I can add my jar
 files.

   Any help would be very appreciated.

 Douglas WF Acheson


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