Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Jim, Yes, I usually just get a shot of single malt to get me through the wait. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 01:16 PM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Dave: You have more patience than I. If JAWS does not return within a minute or so, I do a (you should excuse the expression) blind shutdown of JAWS, go to the DESKTOP, where I have already placed the focus, and reopened JAWS. Mind you, if a good pair of eyes is ready/willing/able, not to mention actually present, I am not shy about asking for help in case something is going on - un related to JAWS. However, when no eyes are around, it feels like the world has been shut off; so, I know what you mean by waiting for nothing. I usually try to find something else to do. Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, Pretty much hit-or-miss. It would depend on the Operating System + Video Device Driver + JAWS Version + Program Version + Unknown Gremlins. Very hard to duplicate symptoms with so many variables. I do know that JAWS 16 tendency to close and reopen without any warning is a bit of a thorn in my side. There are times when it won't come back at all, and I'm sitting there with my hands poised, waiting for nothing. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Dave: Very enlightening! For some reason, I never got around to, nor frankly considered, uninstalling previous versions of JAWS, and this may have proven to be far-sighted after all. I think that I may adopt your 3 most-recent version strategy myself. However, once someone moves to Windows 10, previous JAWS versions will not work - from what I gather. However, it may be a while before I upgrade to Windows 10. So, for now, are there some applications that typically misbehave with the latest JAWS offering? Or, as with many things, it is pretty much a hit or miss situation? Thanks. Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify that level of insanity. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August
Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Now this is why I hang around this list. I've never been a hard-core early adopter and have often been grateful for it; this is starting to be one of those times. Even if I get a copy, I see no reason to do it now. Ted -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:46 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Jim Portillo Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine. I upgraded another one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine. I totally understand, Brad! -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Brad Martin Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc. Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? Ain't nobody got time for that. LOL. Brad On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote: Brad, One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops. I have not yet tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance, have separate desktops for work and personal data. I guess this feature is intended to help users become and stay organized. I don't know, however, if it is accessible. Michal -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that Cortana is iffy at best. So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still function. P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall? -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 08/8183d0e8/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 08/5445238b/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
I like the idea of a long-term platform, but always beware of updates. Talk about FS breaking one thing in order to fix another, the same goes for the OS, only worse! Ted -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:14 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Joseph Lee Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, There will be no service packs as in the past. Continuous refinements will be the norm from now on, which are good thing and a bad thing. Virtual desktops (called Task View) are a way to group running apps together into workspaces. In other words, you can open multiple desktops with apps for different purposes opened in each desktop. By default, when you install Windows 10 and with multiple desktops opened, pressing Alt+TAB will cycle among apps on the current desktop (go to Settings/System/Multitasking to change this behavior). This isn't the same as having two or more user accounts (I for one use two user accounts and switch between them for various purposes). Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that Cortana is iffy at best. So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still function. P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall? -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/ 20150808/8183d0e8/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12065 (20150808) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12065 (20150808) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand feeder. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Adrian Spratt Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that Cortana is iffy at best. So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still function. P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall? -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/ 20150808/8183d0e8/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12065 (20150808) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information
RE: Installation of Windows 10
Boy howdy, that's the one! -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:42 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Russell Solowoniuk Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 FS has a tool you can download and run that will automatically uninstall all versions of Jaws prior to Jaws 16. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:17 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Yes. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 6:53 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ted.li...@ky.gov Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS? Ted -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Mark and Joe, How did you know when to start Narrator? Did you launch it before starting the update? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Mark Furness flintma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 I did it all by myself. I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws. I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus found it frustrating. In short you can do it by yourself. Mark On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Hi, I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently. Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers. Any tips will be helpful. I've got my machine set and ready to go. Jim Sent from my iPhone 6! ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: Installation of Windows 10
If you have uninstalled all previous versions of JAWS, must you still do a repair on JAWS? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 11:10 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Mike and Jenna schwal...@gmail.com Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, I used both jfw 16 and narrator and I had no problems. Once you are upgraded you need to run a repair on jaws. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:57 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Portillo portillo@gmail.com Subject: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently. Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers. Any tips will be helpful. I've got my machine set and ready to go. Jim Sent from my iPhone 6! ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
If you don't uninstall previous versions of JAWS, you won't even be able to upgrade to Windows 10. That is because Windows Update will stop the upgrade when it detects software that is incompatible with Windows 10. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:43 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Dave: Very enlightening! For some reason, I never got around to, nor frankly considered, uninstalling previous versions of JAWS, and this may have proven to be far-sighted after all. I think that I may adopt your 3 most-recent version strategy myself. However, once someone moves to Windows 10, previous JAWS versions will not work - from what I gather. However, it may be a while before I upgrade to Windows 10. So, for now, are there some applications that typically misbehave with the latest JAWS offering? Or, as with many things, it is pretty much a hit or miss situation? Thanks. Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify that level of insanity. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand feeder. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Adrian Spratt Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From:
RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
You can always use NVDA as a backup. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:35 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? John, A very good point. I sometimes need to revert back to an older version of JAWS if the current one seems to misbehave. With Windows 10 we need to start with JAWS 16 and live with any limitations until the release of JAWS 17. And, yes, to another lister who suggested that it would be a good move on FS part to follow MS with a free upgrade to JAWS 17 with some proof that Windows 10 was installed. Why not make it a coincident upgrade program? Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: john.falter via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 08:18 AM Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand feeder. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Adrian Spratt Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that Cortana is iffy at best. So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still function. P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall? -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons
Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Yep, Been there, done that. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Michal Nowicki via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:38 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? You can always use NVDA as a backup. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:35 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? John, A very good point. I sometimes need to revert back to an older version of JAWS if the current one seems to misbehave. With Windows 10 we need to start with JAWS 16 and live with any limitations until the release of JAWS 17. And, yes, to another lister who suggested that it would be a good move on FS part to follow MS with a free upgrade to JAWS 17 with some proof that Windows 10 was installed. Why not make it a coincident upgrade program? Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: john.falter via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 08:18 AM Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand feeder. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Adrian Spratt Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that Cortana is iffy at best. So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in particular are
RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Beware of Gates bearing gifts? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Dave: There is no deeper meaning. Simply because something is free doesn't necessarily make it worthy of consumption. Daniel -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:35 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Dave Carlson Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Daniel, That's nice for the deer. Is there a deeper meaning to the obvious? Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Daniel McBride via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Daniel McBride dlm...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 07:04 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand feeder. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Adrian Spratt Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that Cortana is iffy at best. So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still function. P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall? -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/ 20150808/8183d0e8/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12065 (20150808) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12065 (20150808) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
RE: stubborn remnances
Revo Uninstaller is another possibility. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Mario mrb...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: stubborn remnances yes, ccleaner is one that I know that can delete ghost entries. not sure if I should just leave them alone or zap them. . On 8/10/2015 8:24 AM, Aidan via Jfw wrote: Yes, that is windows for you. There are tools you can use to remove that entries, but I don't know enough about them. On 10/08/2015, Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: It's just registry entries that didn't get cleaned out by the uninstall process. Brad On 8/9/2015 5:53 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote: I didn't find any actual files, so I guess the ghosts will stay. I wonder what causes them to show up if there isn't anything there? hmm... On 8/9/2015 3:59 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote: It sounds like they're gone; the entries are just listed in Add/Remove Programs? If you look in your Program Files (Or Program Files x86) folders, can you find the actual programs themselves, or are those just dead entries in the Programs Features Control Panel? If they're just dead entries, they're annoying to look at but shouldn't hurt anything. Brad On 8/9/2015 2:42 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote: after running the tool from fs to remove prior versions of JAWS, I checked the programs and features applett and found: Freedom Scientific Synthesizer Eloquence Freedom Scientific 7/ 13/ 2015 10.9 MB 6.1.004 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0 Freedom Scientific 8/ 28/ 2012 15.3 MB 13.0.1006.400 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 14.0 Freedom Scientific 8/ 27/ 2013 35.2 MB 14.0.6005.400 Freedom Scientific Video Intercept Freedom Scientific 8/ 27/ 2013 12.6.305.0 opting to uninstall the 13 talking installer, I got the following which also happens with the 14 talking installer: The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable. Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package 'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in the box below. C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\ OK The path 'C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\RuntimeJAWS.msi' cannot be found. Verify that you have access to this location and try again, or try to find the installation package 'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in a folder from which you can install the product Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0. Cancel The installation source for this product is not available. Verify that the source exists and that you can access it. I figure the Eloquence driver and Video Intercept are needed components, so left those alone. how to cleanly remove both talking installers? ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 09/1dd58b4b/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Jim, As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify that level of insanity. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand feeder. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Adrian Spratt Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that Cortana is iffy at best. So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Jim, Pretty much hit-or-miss. It would depend on the Operating System + Video Device Driver + JAWS Version + Program Version + Unknown Gremlins. Very hard to duplicate symptoms with so many variables. I do know that JAWS 16 tendency to close and reopen without any warning is a bit of a thorn in my side. There are times when it won't come back at all, and I'm sitting there with my hands poised, waiting for nothing. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Dave: Very enlightening! For some reason, I never got around to, nor frankly considered, uninstalling previous versions of JAWS, and this may have proven to be far-sighted after all. I think that I may adopt your 3 most-recent version strategy myself. However, once someone moves to Windows 10, previous JAWS versions will not work - from what I gather. However, it may be a while before I upgrade to Windows 10. So, for now, are there some applications that typically misbehave with the latest JAWS offering? Or, as with many things, it is pretty much a hit or miss situation? Thanks. Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify that level of insanity. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand feeder. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Adrian Spratt Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject:
RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Dave: Very enlightening! For some reason, I never got around to, nor frankly considered, uninstalling previous versions of JAWS, and this may have proven to be far-sighted after all. I think that I may adopt your 3 most-recent version strategy myself. However, once someone moves to Windows 10, previous JAWS versions will not work - from what I gather. However, it may be a while before I upgrade to Windows 10. So, for now, are there some applications that typically misbehave with the latest JAWS offering? Or, as with many things, it is pretty much a hit or miss situation? Thanks. Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify that level of insanity. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand feeder. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Adrian Spratt Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use
Freedom Scientific Customer Support.
We needed to call them this morning, because my Num Lock kept knocking on. We got Eric, and he was as nice as Customer Service there has been to me in the past - cheers, I'm thankful for that. Carolyn -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/4dc901b2/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
With all of the concerns about Google's Privacy Policy, and there have been many, I should think that we all should be thankful for BING! A small price to pay, especially if you like the rest of Windows 10. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Russell Solowoniuk rsolowon...@gmail.com Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi Brad, I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows 8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7. If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is the only choice. I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it. I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice, and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my laptop wasn't fairly new. I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology, so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one. For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha. Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :) Russell -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that Cortana is iffy at best. So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still function. P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall? -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 08/8183d0e8/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: Installation of Windows 10
Is it always wise to remove all previous versions of JAWS, even if you are not upgrading to Windows 10. This is the first time I heard of doing this, and I have been using JAWS for 17 years.? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:42 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Russell Solowoniuk rsolowon...@gmail.com Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 FS has a tool you can download and run that will automatically uninstall all versions of Jaws prior to Jaws 16. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:17 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Yes. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 6:53 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ted.li...@ky.gov Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS? Ted -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Mark and Joe, How did you know when to start Narrator? Did you launch it before starting the update? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Mark Furness flintma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 I did it all by myself. I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws. I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I'm use to jaws, thus found it frustrating. In short you can do it by yourself. Mark On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Hi, I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently. Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers. Any tips will be helpful. I've got my machine set and ready to go. Jim Sent from my iPhone 6! ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Update on My Focus Issue with Outlook 2013
Yesterday, I reported that when launching Outlook 2013, rather than reaching the Inbox, focus was lost and I had to Alt-Tab away from that window to refocus the Inbox. Since Office 2010 was removed, I decided to run a Jaws repair from the command line which I indicated I would try. A Sentinel Driver was installed, and I was initially concerned as Windows XP was referenced which I am not running. When the process was completed and I was instructed to re-start Windows 8.1, I launched Outlook 2013 and the Inbox did come up as I had hoped it would. I've launched Outlook twice and focus goes to the Inbox. So hopefully, the Jaws repair has resolved this issue. Thanks. Les ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS
You may need to change the way the function keys work. By default they are used as media keys and you have to press and hold fn key to get a standard function key. However, you can change this setting in the bios or what ever it is called on newer computers. Bob On 8/10/2015 7:24 AM, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw wrote: Hi! I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any hints, tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS? Many thanks, Richard -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/15c96b85/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: changing the view in outlook 2010
Hello Carolyn, To turn the virtual ribbon on or off; 1. Press insert F 2, 2. Press S approximately 3 times until you hear Settings Center, 3. Press enter, 4. Type ribbon in the edit field that comes up, and down arrow to select it, 5. You will probably be prompted to use the default, and instructed to press control, shift, D; do so, 6. press space bar to choose use virtual ribbon, or not, 7. Tab once for instructions or twice to the okay button to implement your selection. Cheers Kevin. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: August-10-15 5:52 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 Is there a way to get the traditional ribbon or whatever in 2013 and not have this upper and lower ribbon? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 There's one more good reason to avoid FS's virtual ribbon. Using the MS ribbon, we're using the same one that everyone in the world does. It means we can share info with sighted people and take advantage of regular online solutions when we encounter problems. I google solutions to Office problems regularly, but the answers might do me little good if I'd resorted to the virtual ribbon. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:33 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Les Kriegler Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 I think the instructions Bill is referring to is that as you tab, the keystrokes for accessing the various options from within the ribbon are given. Personally, I can live without that. I've had a real struggle with the ribbons ever since I started to use them, and I think it's because virtual ribbons were checked. I wondered why NVDA seemed to handle the ribbons more effectively than Jaws, and now I think I understand why that was the case. In retrospect, use of the virtual ribbons caused me more trouble than they were worth. Perhaps FS will improve on that feature, but for now, I won't be using that feature. Les -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:38 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 So, Bill, if I lose JAWS instructions, I might not know what I'm doing or where I am? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:13 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010 Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS instructions while navigating. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate for ribbon information? Carolyn -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010 Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this: JAWS put in the Virtual Ribbon for those who wanted to manually navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true in most instances. Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the function of some of the shortcuts. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: RE: changing the view in
RE: changing the view in outlook 2010
First letter navigation does work in the virtual ribbon. I don't mean the Office shortcuts; I mean true first letter navigation. If there is more than one item starting with the same letter, you will have to press enter on the one you want. The only thing I like about virtual ribbons is the fact that it is very easy to see the groups because they show in submenus. I teach students, and I always show them both ways to navigate the ribbons and lay out the pros and cons of both very clearly so that they can make their own informed decision. I'm all about choice when it comes to computers. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 7:13 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010 Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS instructions while navigating. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate for ribbon information? Carolyn -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010 Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this: JAWS put in the Virtual Ribbon for those who wanted to manually navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true in most instances. Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the function of some of the shortcuts. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks. Les -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually impaired users. Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking this option need to be aware of the consequences. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010 To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS: Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter. Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to Open Miscellaneous. Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that this setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS. To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the letter D as in dog. Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to work properly. If it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and press Enter to save these settings. I hope this helps you. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM Subject: RE: changing the view
Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
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Re: Best email client with Jaws
try thunderbird. On 8/10/2015 4:19 PM, Cliff Self via Jfw wrote: Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully free mail client I can switch to? Cliff -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/485e5d6c/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS
Hi Richard, When I bought my Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 last November I had the tech guys at the place I bought it, Future Shop, go into the BIOS and change the function key settings so that they revert to standard function key operation. I can’t quite recall exactly what this setting in the BIOS is called. Someone else already mentioned this, but I thought I’d suggest getting someone in the store where you purchase your laptop to do this for you. Cheers, Russell On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Hi! I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any hints, tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS? Many thanks, Richard -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/15c96b85/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Same here. I say, it's a big world out there, and head out to something else like reading, crocheting, practicing piano, cleaning, telephone and on and on. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:17 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Dave: You have more patience than I. If JAWS does not return within a minute or so, I do a (you should excuse the expression) blind shutdown of JAWS, go to the DESKTOP, where I have already placed the focus, and reopened JAWS. Mind you, if a good pair of eyes is ready/willing/able, not to mention actually present, I am not shy about asking for help in case something is going on - un related to JAWS. However, when no eyes are around, it feels like the world has been shut off; so, I know what you mean by waiting for nothing. I usually try to find something else to do. Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, Pretty much hit-or-miss. It would depend on the Operating System + Video Device Driver + JAWS Version + Program Version + Unknown Gremlins. Very hard to duplicate symptoms with so many variables. I do know that JAWS 16 tendency to close and reopen without any warning is a bit of a thorn in my side. There are times when it won't come back at all, and I'm sitting there with my hands poised, waiting for nothing. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Dave: Very enlightening! For some reason, I never got around to, nor frankly considered, uninstalling previous versions of JAWS, and this may have proven to be far-sighted after all. I think that I may adopt your 3 most-recent version strategy myself. However, once someone moves to Windows 10, previous JAWS versions will not work - from what I gather. However, it may be a while before I upgrade to Windows 10. So, for now, are there some applications that typically misbehave with the latest JAWS offering? Or, as with many things, it is pretty much a hit or miss situation? Thanks. Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify that level of insanity. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt
RE: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS
On HP laptops, it is called Action Keys Mode. I don't know about Lenovo, though. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:09 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Russell Solowoniuk rsolowon...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS Hi Richard, When I bought my Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 last November I had the tech guys at the place I bought it, Future Shop, go into the BIOS and change the function key settings so that they revert to standard function key operation. I can’t quite recall exactly what this setting in the BIOS is called. Someone else already mentioned this, but I thought I’d suggest getting someone in the store where you purchase your laptop to do this for you. Cheers, Russell On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Hi! I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any hints, tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS? Many thanks, Richard -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/ 20150810/15c96b85/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Hi Jim: I find that some functions work better on V16 while others work better on V15. And if you have clients with problems, you may need to test on different versions. On 8/10/2015 12:30 PM, Jim Hamilton via Jfw wrote: Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand feeder. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Adrian Spratt Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that Cortana is iffy at best. So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still function. P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall? -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/ 20150808/8183d0e8/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
RE: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS
Hi, This is probably not the most popular choice, however, since it works for me very well I will present it as a viable alternative, smile! I recently purchased a 16 GB Lenovo Z70 from amazon and it is a very nice machine. The only issue I had with it was the integrated sound used a smart audio driver that was almost like the audio ducking on an iPhone. When Jaws was talking during a system sound event my Jaws would reduce speech volume by at least half and sometimes stay down there for a minute or more. It was Dolby 5.1 sound just had it quirks. However, my correction for that is another subject. To address your subject, this is a 17.3 inch display and the surface of the laptop is rather large. In fact the touch screen in front of the full keyboard is the largest and widest I have ever seen on a laptop. And I had one of those big dell 20 inch all in one models that you needed two hands to pick up back in the days of Vista. So in order to keep from constantly bumping this massive touch screen I just started using an external keyboard which I preferred anyway. Since this keyboard does not have a function key it does not force me to use the F keys as media keys so I did not need to mess around in the bios. As an added bonus if I do want to use them as media keys like today when I wanted to mute Jaws in a hurry during a phone call I reached over and muted it on the laptop and then when I got off the phone I reached over and unmuted it on the laptop. So I basically have the best of both worlds this way. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:09 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Russell Solowoniuk rsolowon...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS Hi Richard, When I bought my Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 last November I had the tech guys at the place I bought it, Future Shop, go into the BIOS and change the function key settings so that they revert to standard function key operation. I can’t quite recall exactly what this setting in the BIOS is called. Someone else already mentioned this, but I thought I’d suggest getting someone in the store where you purchase your laptop to do this for you. Cheers, Russell On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Hi! I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any hints, tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS? Many thanks, Richard -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/ 20150810/15c96b85/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
weird editing problem in word 2010
Dear list, I am using the latest build of jaws 16 and am having a problem that I cannot figure out in Ms word 2010. When I open a document, doesn't matter if it's a new one or one I'm opening from before, I cannot edit it. When I try to type or do anything jaws will say things like this key is not available in ms word or there are no graphics in this document. I found if I hit f-10 to go into the menus and then exit out again it fixes the problem temporarily. Once I alt tab out of the document and back in I have to do this again. No clue what setting I changed. Any help is greatly appreciated. thanks -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/0eb216de/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: Best email client with Jaws
I use Windows Live Mail. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Cliff Self via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully free mail client I can switch to? Cliff -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/485e5d6c/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: weird editing problem in word 2010
Hi Drew, You can also, press, Insert + V, while in Word to open Word's quick settings, find, Navigation Quick Keys, make sure it's unchecked. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers! - Original Message - From: Michal Nowicki via Jfw To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michal Nowicki Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:19 PM Subject: RE: weird editing problem in word 2010 Sounds like you may have inadvertently enabled navigation keys. Navigation keys in Word is a feature similar to the virtual cursor in HTML environments. In fact, the keystroke to turn this feature on and off is the same as the command to toggle the virtual cursor: JAWS key plus z. See if that works. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:50 PM To: Jaws list jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Drew Hunthausen dhunthau...@gmail.com Subject: weird editing problem in word 2010 Dear list, I am using the latest build of jaws 16 and am having a problem that I cannot figure out in Ms word 2010. When I open a document, doesn't matter if it's a new one or one I'm opening from before, I cannot edit it. When I try to type or do anything jaws will say things like this key is not available in ms word or there are no graphics in this document. I found if I hit f-10 to go into the menus and then exit out again it fixes the problem temporarily. Once I alt tab out of the document and back in I have to do this again. No clue what setting I changed. Any help is greatly appreciated. thanks -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 10/0eb216de/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/105b7050/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
needing to run earlier versions of Jaws
Changed the subject line. Here is an example of why I won't upgrade and why I need to run an earlier version of Jaws. Jaws 16 will not read hidden text attributes in Word. I must, must, must have that functionality for my work, as I use the Duxbury Word template, which uses hidden text for text markup in Word. Jaws 15 reads this, so I need to stay with Jaws 15 until FS gets around to fixing this. Yes, I have reporrted it, with no resolution. I ultimately will need someone to verify for me that it does work in a future Jaws release before upgrading. With no option to simply load a previous version that works for this feature, I don't want to destroy my work productivity. For those interested, Hidden text can be turned on or off just like paragraph marks. Its under the Tools, Options, Display, where you can check show hidden text. Jean -Original Message- From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:30 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Jim Hamilton Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand feeder. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Adrian Spratt Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that Cortana is iffy at best. So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything
RE: Best email client with Jaws
When you hit Control Y, of course, you get the option to switch to other portions of Outlook, but it also announces how message you have unread. Admittedly, unlike good old Outlook Express it doesn't give a total, then give the unread messages. I do like the calendar though. I had one problem. I was told that to block a sender to send the e-mail to Junk, which worked for a couple, but not on the last one I attempted to send. I ended up permanently deleting it, but I wanted to block it. Another thing I am wanting to do, which is not specific to Outlook, but does apply to it is to know how to add words to my dictionary, since Control A is not doing that; also I want to know what commands to give Spell Check to make the change I want. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Self via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:19 PM To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Cliff Self cl...@cablespeed.com Subject: Best email client with Jaws Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully free mail client I can switch to? Cliff -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 10/485e5d6c/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS
Lenovo must love those lap top keyboards; one came with this nice big computer, and it now hides behind my dresser, replaced by an ordinary keyboard. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:09 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Russell Solowoniuk rsolowon...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS Hi Richard, When I bought my Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 last November I had the tech guys at the place I bought it, Future Shop, go into the BIOS and change the function key settings so that they revert to standard function key operation. I can’t quite recall exactly what this setting in the BIOS is called. Someone else already mentioned this, but I thought I’d suggest getting someone in the store where you purchase your laptop to do this for you. Cheers, Russell On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Hi! I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any hints, tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS? Many thanks, Richard -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/ 20150810/15c96b85/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: notes
Thanks to Steve for coming to our rescue. Cheers Kevin. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw Sent: August-09-15 9:13 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Kimsan kimsans...@gmail.com Subject: RE: notes Kevin: Lol. I'm still working on thawing my brain out, I seriously thought under the view menue, which I've toyed around with btw, it would produce the result. However, in 2013, in the legal note I wrote, I just wrote down the time and day, as in Sunday but not the date as in august 8th, 2015. If anyone has 2010, could they muc up their view in the notes folder and see if it will work? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:32 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Kevin Hourigan kevinthouri...@gmail.com Subject: RE: notes Hello Kimsan, It is too bad your brain is frozen; it looks like your memory is the only one with that info, lol. Cheers Kevin. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw Sent: August-09-15 4:07 PM To: jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Kimsan kimsans...@gmail.com Subject: notes I'm having a brain freeze at the moment, but, when writing a note in outlook 2013, since I'm using outlook 2013, if I was dumb enough to not input when I wrote it is there a setting to have jaws echo that information? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 09/6de3878f/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites
OK. I will have to try it that way. My message to Apple Accessibility already went out to make them aware that this page is difficult to use with screen readers. I don't know if they will do much, but it was worth a try.. I might've not been looking for the right place to find where the topics went. I was expecting them right below the dash link. - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:17 AM Subject: Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites Brent, Using your link, I went to the page, and selected the link that just said - under the heading Submit A Request Choose a Topic When I pressed Enter on the dash, JAWS kind of lost its place, but I found that same heading, and all the topics were displayed. They did not say link before announcing the topic, but I just ignored that and pressed the spacebar on Change Feed URL. Up came the page asking for my Email address, etc. Again, this was with Firefox 39.0.3 and JAWS 15. Hope that helps, Brad This issue they're having is with properly linking to a podcast feed so iTunes opens. I just wanted to submit a ticket here here https://itunespodcasts.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new to see if it is possible to make a link on a website that opens iTunes to the reviews page of their podcast. I've emailed Apple's accessibility, but this link isn't a site they control directly. Right after it says choose a topic is a line of dashes which will probably speak silent, depending on how punctuation is set. The virtual cursor off way might let me submit it in the wrong category, but it probably goes in other. I've seen this setup on Uber's site also, but at least they let you email supp...@uber.com, but Apple doesn't have a podcast support email address. - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:58 PM Subject: Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites I have no idea if we're talking about the same thing or not. I just went to support.apple.com to see if I could find what your issue might be. Keep in mind I have no Apple products, so I couldn't go too far. I am using Firefox 39.0.3 and JAWS 15. But I said I wanted to contact support, and I then had to choose Get Started. There were a list of buttons to choose from. I chose Mac, and that gave me subcategories. I chose Desktop. I selected each by pressing the Spacebar on them. Then it gave me a whole new screen. I said my question was about Mail, so I pressed spacebar on Mail. Then another screen opened, and I really didn't know what I was trying to do since I don't have a question, so I closed the window. Is that of any help? Try spacebar to select an option if that's your problem. Sorry not to be more helpful. Brad On 8/9/2015 9:46 PM, Brent Harding via Jfw wrote: Uber and Apple are two instances with categories. It isn't even accessible on iOS either, but I bet if I didn't have broken arrow keys that are remapped to unused keys in Windows, Safari probably works perfectly with it on OSX. I could be wrong about that though. - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 8:30 PM Subject: Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites Brent, I'm afraid I'm not going to be any help to you. After I sent my previous message, it occurred to me (derf dederf derf) that I could access what I needed at home as easily as at work. We do use a vendor that uses Zendesk, but there are no dropdowns on their portal. There's an edit field for Subject, and edit field for Description, and an edit field for the name of the organization for which we work. Then there's a browse button in case we need to attach any files to the request, and then a submit button. So apparently the vendor doesn't use any categories. The last time I used Zendesk with a different vendor, we did have categories to select, but it wasn't a problem in 2011-2012. But I no longer have access to that instance of Zendesk. I suspect you're suffering from a move to a mobile friendly platform for Zendesk, which often breaks accessibility. Sorry not to be of more help. Brad On 8/9/2015 3:39 PM, Brent Harding via Jfw wrote: I need to submit a ticket to a site that uses Zendesk. However, whether I use JFW with Chrome or Firefox, or even try to do it on my phone with iOS, I can't get past the drop down boxes to select the category. They don't identify as any link or combo box for me to use them, and turning virtual cursor off lands me on the wrong category most of the time. Apple and Uber are just two examples of sites that use this. How can I get my ticket submitted?
Re: Reading Excel Row Titles
Hi, Rob. 1. Press Alt plus V to open Quick Settings. 2. Down Arrow once to exit the Search Box. 3. Press The letter T until it says Title Reading. 4. Press Right Arrow to make sure Title Reading is open. 5. Arrow down to Define Name Column and Row Titles Override, and make sure it is on by pressing the Space Bar until it says that this option is on. 6. Arrow down to Title Reading Detection. You can either set this option to: Titles, Rows, or both. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Rob via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Rob mr.robertc...@icloud.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:29 PM Subject: Reading Excel Row Titles Dear List, I pressed insert+Alt+Ctrl+R, to turn row titles on. Now my question is, How do I turn it off? Thanks in advance. ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12074 (20150810) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12074 (20150810) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: Reading Excel Row Titles
Hi, again, Rob. I misspoke when I told you to use Alt plus V to open Quick Settings. 1. The correct key is JAWS Key plus V to open Quick Settings.From there it is correct, and I'll re-paste it below. 2. Down Arrow once to exit the Search Box. 3. Press The letter T until it says Title Reading. 4. Press Right Arrow to make sure Title Reading is open. 5. Arrow down to Define Name Column and Row Titles Override, and make sure it is on by pressing the Space Bar until it says that this option is on. 6. Arrow down to Title Reading Detection. You can either set this option to: Titles, Rows, or both. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Rob via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Rob mr.robertc...@icloud.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:29 PM Subject: Reading Excel Row Titles Dear List, I pressed insert+Alt+Ctrl+R, to turn row titles on. Now my question is, How do I turn it off? Thanks in advance. ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12074 (20150810) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12074 (20150810) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS
Actually, I have a Lenovo Thinkpad E545, and I could make this change somewhere in the control panel--maybe under Keyboard? Windows 7 here. No BIOS or UEFI changes needed. Brad On 8/10/2015 4:09 PM, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw wrote: Hi Richard, When I bought my Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 last November I had the tech guys at the place I bought it, Future Shop, go into the BIOS and change the function key settings so that they revert to standard function key operation. I can’t quite recall exactly what this setting in the BIOS is called. Someone else already mentioned this, but I thought I’d suggest getting someone in the store where you purchase your laptop to do this for you. Cheers, Russell On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Hi! I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any hints, tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS? Many thanks, Richard -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/15c96b85/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/e8afcc8c/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: Best email client with Jaws
I loved the old Qualcomm Eudora, but I ran into some problems running it under 64-bit Windows 7. There was probably a work around, but a sighted friend kept telling me how much she loved Thunderbird, so I finally gave it a try around the time I got this computer. I love it. It's clean, simple, almost never crashes on me, sorts my mail by Email account (I have several), spellchecks as I type (although the dictionary is a little limited as is), and works terrific with JAWS version 15 in Windows 7 Pro. And, bonus, it has a conventional menu bar. A nice plus for me (but probably not needed by most people) is that I could automate the sending of form letters to my clients with a shortcut on the desktop. I've been thoroughly impressed with it, and I kind of didn't expect to be. In other words, I was a tough sell, but you'd have to give me a really really good reason to switch. One caution: When I open Thunderbird, I have to Shift Tab once to get into the list of messages. But it's one keystroke, and now I'm so used to it I don't even notice. Brad On 8/10/2015 4:19 PM, Cliff Self via Jfw wrote: Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully free mail client I can switch to? Cliff -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/485e5d6c/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/c659c261/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Dave: You have more patience than I. If JAWS does not return within a minute or so, I do a (you should excuse the expression) blind shutdown of JAWS, go to the DESKTOP, where I have already placed the focus, and reopened JAWS. Mind you, if a good pair of eyes is ready/willing/able, not to mention actually present, I am not shy about asking for help in case something is going on - un related to JAWS. However, when no eyes are around, it feels like the world has been shut off; so, I know what you mean by waiting for nothing. I usually try to find something else to do. Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, Pretty much hit-or-miss. It would depend on the Operating System + Video Device Driver + JAWS Version + Program Version + Unknown Gremlins. Very hard to duplicate symptoms with so many variables. I do know that JAWS 16 tendency to close and reopen without any warning is a bit of a thorn in my side. There are times when it won't come back at all, and I'm sitting there with my hands poised, waiting for nothing. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Dave: Very enlightening! For some reason, I never got around to, nor frankly considered, uninstalling previous versions of JAWS, and this may have proven to be far-sighted after all. I think that I may adopt your 3 most-recent version strategy myself. However, once someone moves to Windows 10, previous JAWS versions will not work - from what I gather. However, it may be a while before I upgrade to Windows 10. So, for now, are there some applications that typically misbehave with the latest JAWS offering? Or, as with many things, it is pretty much a hit or miss situation? Thanks. Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify that level of insanity. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind
RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Dave, When JAWS arbitrarily shuts up, I think you use the JAWS key+Windows key+F4 solution, right? If it's failed to bring back JAWS for me, it's been maybe only once or twice in many months. However, I need to use it at least twice a day. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Dave Carlson Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, Pretty much hit-or-miss. It would depend on the Operating System + Video Device Driver + JAWS Version + Program Version + Unknown Gremlins. Very hard to duplicate symptoms with so many variables. I do know that JAWS 16 tendency to close and reopen without any warning is a bit of a thorn in my side. There are times when it won't come back at all, and I'm sitting there with my hands poised, waiting for nothing. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Dave: Very enlightening! For some reason, I never got around to, nor frankly considered, uninstalling previous versions of JAWS, and this may have proven to be far-sighted after all. I think that I may adopt your 3 most-recent version strategy myself. However, once someone moves to Windows 10, previous JAWS versions will not work - from what I gather. However, it may be a while before I upgrade to Windows 10. So, for now, are there some applications that typically misbehave with the latest JAWS offering? Or, as with many things, it is pretty much a hit or miss situation? Thanks. Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify that level of insanity. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand feeder. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Adrian Spratt Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows
Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
must this thread go on forever?! it's a tedious task to go through all the messages in this conversation and delete the short ones. once it started two days ago, what's keeping it going for so long? Douglas Richard Dexheimer Chief of Braille Productions Born-Again Productions The Friedman Place, Apt.308 5527 N. Maplewood Ave. Chicago, IL 60625 cell phone 913-244-0612 dricha...@earthlink.net On 8/10/2015 9:31 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote: Dave, When JAWS arbitrarily shuts up, I think you use the JAWS key+Windows key+F4 solution, right? If it's failed to bring back JAWS for me, it's been maybe only once or twice in many months. However, I need to use it at least twice a day. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Dave Carlson Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, Pretty much hit-or-miss. It would depend on the Operating System + Video Device Driver + JAWS Version + Program Version + Unknown Gremlins. Very hard to duplicate symptoms with so many variables. I do know that JAWS 16 tendency to close and reopen without any warning is a bit of a thorn in my side. There are times when it won't come back at all, and I'm sitting there with my hands poised, waiting for nothing. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Dave: Very enlightening! For some reason, I never got around to, nor frankly considered, uninstalling previous versions of JAWS, and this may have proven to be far-sighted after all. I think that I may adopt your 3 most-recent version strategy myself. However, once someone moves to Windows 10, previous JAWS versions will not work - from what I gather. However, it may be a while before I upgrade to Windows 10. So, for now, are there some applications that typically misbehave with the latest JAWS offering? Or, as with many things, it is pretty much a hit or miss situation? Thanks. Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Jim, As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify that level of insanity. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer - Original Message - From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Hamilton jim.hamil...@rogers.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Don't mean to be smart; but, why would you want to use previous versions of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that there is a really good reason for it! :) :) Jim H -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: john.falter john.fal...@verizon.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS. On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote: The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position. Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject:
Reading Excel Row Titles
Dear List, I pressed insert+Alt+Ctrl+R, to turn row titles on. Now my question is, How do I turn it off? Thanks in advance. ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: Best email client with Jaws
Melissa, if you press Control Y, it asks if you want to go to another folder and announces how many unread messages are in the file that you are in. I wish it was as easy as Outlook Express, but there are a lot of things that I do like about it. I can live with it. It's kind of like getting a new job, having to leave the old one behind. Carolyn Arnold -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:59 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Melissa Stott mstot...@verizon.net Subject: Re: Best email client with Jaws I use Windows Live Mail. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Cliff Self via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully free mail client I can switch to? Cliff -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/ 20150810/485e5d6c/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: Best email client with Jaws
It dawned on me to tab to change in Spell Check, so that is another problem solved. Now, if only I could figure out how to add words to the dictionary I'd be one step farther. Carolyn Arnold -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:35 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Subject: RE: Best email client with Jaws When you hit Control Y, of course, you get the option to switch to other portions of Outlook, but it also announces how message you have unread. Admittedly, unlike good old Outlook Express it doesn't give a total, then give the unread messages. I do like the calendar though. I had one problem. I was told that to block a sender to send the e-mail to Junk, which worked for a couple, but not on the last one I attempted to send. I ended up permanently deleting it, but I wanted to block it. Another thing I am wanting to do, which is not specific to Outlook, but does apply to it is to know how to add words to my dictionary, since Control A is not doing that; also I want to know what commands to give Spell Check to make the change I want. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Self via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:19 PM To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Cliff Self cl...@cablespeed.com Subject: Best email client with Jaws Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully free mail client I can switch to? Cliff -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 10/485e5d6c/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: weird editing problem in word 2010
Thanks for that tip. I checked, and mine were not checked - whe! Carolyn Arnold -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B. via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:57 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Michael B. mb69ma...@charter.net Subject: Re: weird editing problem in word 2010 Hi Drew, You can also, press, Insert + V, while in Word to open Word's quick settings, find, Navigation Quick Keys, make sure it's unchecked. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers! - Original Message - From: Michal Nowicki via Jfw To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michal Nowicki Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:19 PM Subject: RE: weird editing problem in word 2010 Sounds like you may have inadvertently enabled navigation keys. Navigation keys in Word is a feature similar to the virtual cursor in HTML environments. In fact, the keystroke to turn this feature on and off is the same as the command to toggle the virtual cursor: JAWS key plus z. See if that works. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:50 PM To: Jaws list jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Drew Hunthausen dhunthau...@gmail.com Subject: weird editing problem in word 2010 Dear list, I am using the latest build of jaws 16 and am having a problem that I cannot figure out in Ms word 2010. When I open a document, doesn't matter if it's a new one or one I'm opening from before, I cannot edit it. When I try to type or do anything jaws will say things like this key is not available in ms word or there are no graphics in this document. I found if I hit f-10 to go into the menus and then exit out again it fixes the problem temporarily. Once I alt tab out of the document and back in I have to do this again. No clue what setting I changed. Any help is greatly appreciated. thanks -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 10/0eb216de/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 10/105b7050/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: Best email client with Jaws
I have used Outlook, and I was annoyed with it. So, I went to Windows live mail, and have had no issues with it. I suppose it all depends on what you do with it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Melissa, if you press Control Y, it asks if you want to go to another folder and announces how many unread messages are in the file that you are in. I wish it was as easy as Outlook Express, but there are a lot of things that I do like about it. I can live with it. It's kind of like getting a new job, having to leave the old one behind. Carolyn Arnold -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:59 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Melissa Stott mstot...@verizon.net Subject: Re: Best email client with Jaws I use Windows Live Mail. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Cliff Self via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully free mail client I can switch to? Cliff -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/ 20150810/485e5d6c/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: weird editing problem in word 2010
Thanks so much all, the jaws key plus z did the trick!!! -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B. via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:57 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Michael B. Subject: Re: weird editing problem in word 2010 Hi Drew, You can also, press, Insert + V, while in Word to open Word's quick settings, find, Navigation Quick Keys, make sure it's unchecked. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers! - Original Message - From: Michal Nowicki via Jfw To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michal Nowicki Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:19 PM Subject: RE: weird editing problem in word 2010 Sounds like you may have inadvertently enabled navigation keys. Navigation keys in Word is a feature similar to the virtual cursor in HTML environments. In fact, the keystroke to turn this feature on and off is the same as the command to toggle the virtual cursor: JAWS key plus z. See if that works. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:50 PM To: Jaws list jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Drew Hunthausen dhunthau...@gmail.com Subject: weird editing problem in word 2010 Dear list, I am using the latest build of jaws 16 and am having a problem that I cannot figure out in Ms word 2010. When I open a document, doesn't matter if it's a new one or one I'm opening from before, I cannot edit it. When I try to type or do anything jaws will say things like this key is not available in ms word or there are no graphics in this document. I found if I hit f-10 to go into the menus and then exit out again it fixes the problem temporarily. Once I alt tab out of the document and back in I have to do this again. No clue what setting I changed. Any help is greatly appreciated. thanks -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 10/0eb216de/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 10/105b7050/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: Best email client with Jaws
When you went to Live Mail, what did you do about your Contacts? Is it easy to make distribution lists in Windows Live Mail. I have several that I need to make. Today, I needed to send out word of a death to one of my groups, but do not have the lists now and not the time to go through some 130 contacts for 30. What do you like about Windows Live Mail? Does it have a calendar? Can you tab around in it, or do you have to give Keyboard commands? Carolyn Arnold -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:45 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Melissa Stott mstot...@verizon.net Subject: Re: Best email client with Jaws I have used Outlook, and I was annoyed with it. So, I went to Windows live mail, and have had no issues with it. I suppose it all depends on what you do with it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Melissa, if you press Control Y, it asks if you want to go to another folder and announces how many unread messages are in the file that you are in. I wish it was as easy as Outlook Express, but there are a lot of things that I do like about it. I can live with it. It's kind of like getting a new job, having to leave the old one behind. Carolyn Arnold -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:59 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Melissa Stott mstot...@verizon.net Subject: Re: Best email client with Jaws I use Windows Live Mail. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Cliff Self via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully free mail client I can switch to? Cliff -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments / 20150810/485e5d6c/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: changing the view in outlook 2010
Is there a way to get the traditional ribbon or whatever in 2013 and not have this upper and lower ribbon? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 There's one more good reason to avoid FS's virtual ribbon. Using the MS ribbon, we're using the same one that everyone in the world does. It means we can share info with sighted people and take advantage of regular online solutions when we encounter problems. I google solutions to Office problems regularly, but the answers might do me little good if I'd resorted to the virtual ribbon. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:33 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Les Kriegler Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 I think the instructions Bill is referring to is that as you tab, the keystrokes for accessing the various options from within the ribbon are given. Personally, I can live without that. I've had a real struggle with the ribbons ever since I started to use them, and I think it's because virtual ribbons were checked. I wondered why NVDA seemed to handle the ribbons more effectively than Jaws, and now I think I understand why that was the case. In retrospect, use of the virtual ribbons caused me more trouble than they were worth. Perhaps FS will improve on that feature, but for now, I won't be using that feature. Les -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:38 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 So, Bill, if I lose JAWS instructions, I might not know what I'm doing or where I am? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:13 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010 Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS instructions while navigating. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate for ribbon information? Carolyn -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010 Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this: JAWS put in the Virtual Ribbon for those who wanted to manually navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true in most instances. Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the function of some of the shortcuts. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks. Les -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually impaired users. Personally, I stayed with the
RE: changing the view in outlook 2010
I'm not contributing much, but I lasted a day with the virtual ribbons... You see folks, I didn't get serious with computers and I came in right when the ribbons popped up. When I ended up using a comp that didn't have ribbons, I went bonkers. Well, not literally, I mean I didn't shout obscenities and stomp, but yall get my point. I took great advantage of the quick access toolbar and only assigned what I used frequently, now, as it is late, I completely forgot what the original question was, so I will stop here as I am just typing... Ribbons are here to stay, out with the old, in with the new... -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 There's one more good reason to avoid FS's virtual ribbon. Using the MS ribbon, we're using the same one that everyone in the world does. It means we can share info with sighted people and take advantage of regular online solutions when we encounter problems. I google solutions to Office problems regularly, but the answers might do me little good if I'd resorted to the virtual ribbon. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:33 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Les Kriegler Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 I think the instructions Bill is referring to is that as you tab, the keystrokes for accessing the various options from within the ribbon are given. Personally, I can live without that. I've had a real struggle with the ribbons ever since I started to use them, and I think it's because virtual ribbons were checked. I wondered why NVDA seemed to handle the ribbons more effectively than Jaws, and now I think I understand why that was the case. In retrospect, use of the virtual ribbons caused me more trouble than they were worth. Perhaps FS will improve on that feature, but for now, I won't be using that feature. Les -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:38 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 So, Bill, if I lose JAWS instructions, I might not know what I'm doing or where I am? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:13 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010 Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS instructions while navigating. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate for ribbon information? Carolyn -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010 Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this: JAWS put in the Virtual Ribbon for those who wanted to manually navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true in most instances. Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the function of some of the shortcuts. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks. Les
RE: notes
Thanks Steve. So, in my outlook 2013, I have two note folders, one says notes, the other says notes this computer only. The former, I couldn't get the date information, but the latter I was able too. For anyone who cares to know, the date was march 15th, 2015. Thank you once again. Take care. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Steve Griffiths via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:27 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Steve Griffiths steve.griffi...@guidedogs.org.uk Subject: RE: notes Kimsan, The time and date a note was written is on the status line when the note is open. Or you can change the view of the Notes folder from the default Icon view to Notes list view, and then the date and time appears alongside the note name in the folder. There are a number of ways you can make this change; here are two: If you aren't using the virtual ribbon, press Alt, V, C, V, RightArrow, Enter. If you are using the virtual ribbon, it's Alt, V, RightArrow, Enter, RightArrow, Enter Steve --- Steve Griffiths Senior Assistive Technology Assistant Working from home in Lancaster E: steve.griffi...@guidedogs.org.uk T: 0746 871 1921 -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw Sent: 10 August 2015 05:13 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Kimsan kimsans...@gmail.com Subject: RE: notes Kevin: Lol. I'm still working on thawing my brain out, I seriously thought under the view menue, which I've toyed around with btw, it would produce the result. However, in 2013, in the legal note I wrote, I just wrote down the time and day, as in Sunday but not the date as in august 8th, 2015. If anyone has 2010, could they muc up their view in the notes folder and see if it will work? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:32 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Kevin Hourigan kevinthouri...@gmail.com Subject: RE: notes Hello Kimsan, It is too bad your brain is frozen; it looks like your memory is the only one with that info, lol. Cheers Kevin. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw Sent: August-09-15 4:07 PM To: jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Kimsan kimsans...@gmail.com Subject: notes I'm having a brain freeze at the moment, but, when writing a note in outlook 2013, since I'm using outlook 2013, if I was dumb enough to not input when I wrote it is there a setting to have jaws echo that information? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 09/6de3878f/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com The Guide Dogs for the Blind Association Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire, RG7 3YG. A company limited by guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity registered in England and Wales (209617) and Scotland (SC038979). Tel: 0118 983 Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk Email: guided...@guidedogs.org.uk ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Hello Joseph, This is no surprise, after all your wonderful presentation of Windows 10 on Tek Talk recently. I have just finished listening to the podcast. Excellent. Thank you. smart -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: 09 August 2015 19:16 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Joseph Lee Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, Yes - go to Settings (Windows+I)/Ease of Access/Other Options, then go to Show Notifications For combo box. You can select between 5 seconds to 5 minutes (I may need to send a feedback regarding this control, as there is a delay when changing them). Cheers, Joseph P.S. Looks like I'm serving as Windows 10 Answer Man here... -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:57 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Mario mrb...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? can the time to display of toast notifications be adjusted like in windows 7? On 8/9/2015 10:25 AM, Joseph Lee via Jfw wrote: Hi, Hmmm, how can I explain this... A toast notification is like a help balloon except it doesn't really act as such. Once this appears, it'll go away after a few seconds, and you can actually interact with it by pressing Windows+V while it is shown. You can ignore them, and if you do, they'll live in Action Center until you clear them all (pressing Windows+A will open Action Center). Hope this helps. Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 2:22 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Aidan aidan.smartt...@gmail.com Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? So josef, if they don't have help balloons anymore but windows, then does that mean that I will get a pop up window when something happens wich I must dismiss? On 09/08/2015, Kimsan via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Lmao! That was a good one! -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B. via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:57 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Michael B. mb69ma...@charter.net Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi Brad, Well, I suppose you could upgrade to Windows10, ask Cortana how you would benefit from the upgrade! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers! - Original Message - From: Jim Portillo via Jfw To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Jim Portillo Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:45 PM Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine. I upgraded another one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine. I totally understand, Brad! -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Brad Martin Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc. Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? Ain't nobody got time for that. LOL. Brad On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote: Brad, One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops. I have not yet tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance, have separate desktops for work and personal data. I guess this feature is intended to help users become and stay organized. I don't know, however, if it is accessible. Michal -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first): So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now
Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS
Hi! I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any hints, tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS? Many thanks, Richard -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/15c96b85/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: balarc advisor:
Thanks, Mike. I appreciate this information, since I had never heard of the program before. Tom Behler -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:18 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michael Mote Subject: RE: balarc advisor: Tom, Belarc Advisor is a program that is free, and gives you all of your computer specs, in an easy to navigate document. It does not share any of your private information. It gives you a lot of good information about your computer, all in one place. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 12:46 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Tom Behler tombeh...@gmail.com Subject: RE: balarc advisor: What's Balarc Advisor? Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 1:07 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Michael Mote Subject: Re: balarc advisor: Yes it works very well with jaws Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Kenny via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Hi does balarc advisor work with windows 10? I was going to download it and use it to write down the windows 10 product key. Kenny Peyatt ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: Installation of Windows 10
Hi Ted, After contacting FS Support, I learned that the reason the syntax for repairing of Jaws didn't work was because I ran the executeable file. In fact, one has to run the installation file. So the syntax would be the Jaws installer file followed by a space followed by /type followed by a space and then the word repair. The instructions provided previously were correct, but I used the Jaws16 executeable file rather than the installation file for 16. Hope this helps. Les -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:16 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ted.li...@ky.gov Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Do you run the repair with which we're all familiar, or the one recently discussed on this list? Oddly enough, it's coming up a lot now, but I never heard of the new command structure until early this summer. Ted -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mote via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:02 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Mike Mote Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hello! I hate to correct anyone on the list, but I have to say that just because you are running Windows 8.1 does not mean you won't have to do a JAWS repair. I installed Windows 10 last night, and upon turning on my computer this morning, I got a message saying that the mirror display driver was not working properly. I did indeed have to run a JAWS repair. I was running the latest build of JAWS 16 as the FS instructions stated you had to install first. Not sure why this happened. Those of you who are upgrading from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 may encounter the same thing I did. Not to worry, once you run the repair, all seems to work OK. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Jennette via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:08 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: David Jennette dcj...@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 If your upgrading from windows seven you'll have to do the repair so the mirror display driver can be removed. If your upgrading from windows 8.1 you won't need to do a repair at all because it and windows ten access things the same way. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 5:45 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Aidan aidan.smartt...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Because the upgrade will change technical components and the way jaws interact with windows so you must repair jaws. So josef, just too things. If I use the media creation tool, can I build an iso wich include a product key and where will I find the key if it being the case? And also, will I stil need sighted help or a talking desktop bootable when using that tool for install? If not, does that mean you build the complete install, or just the windows iso you need like it comes on the dvd? On 08/08/2015, Jim Portillo via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Why do I need to run an repair on JAWS? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 8:10 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Mike and Jenna Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, I used both jfw 16 and narrator and I had no problems. Once you are upgraded you need to run a repair on jaws. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:57 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Portillo portillo@gmail.com Subject: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently. Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers. Any tips will be helpful. I've got my machine set and ready to go. Jim Sent from my iPhone 6! ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Facebook:
Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS
May want to disable media keys if disabled. Regards,Feliciano For tech tips and updates, LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v On Aug 10, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Hi! I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any hints, tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS? Many thanks, Richard -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150810/15c96b85/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: stubborn remnances
yes, ccleaner is one that I know that can delete ghost entries. not sure if I should just leave them alone or zap them. . On 8/10/2015 8:24 AM, Aidan via Jfw wrote: Yes, that is windows for you. There are tools you can use to remove that entries, but I don't know enough about them. On 10/08/2015, Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: It's just registry entries that didn't get cleaned out by the uninstall process. Brad On 8/9/2015 5:53 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote: I didn't find any actual files, so I guess the ghosts will stay. I wonder what causes them to show up if there isn't anything there? hmm... On 8/9/2015 3:59 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote: It sounds like they're gone; the entries are just listed in Add/Remove Programs? If you look in your Program Files (Or Program Files x86) folders, can you find the actual programs themselves, or are those just dead entries in the Programs Features Control Panel? If they're just dead entries, they're annoying to look at but shouldn't hurt anything. Brad On 8/9/2015 2:42 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote: after running the tool from fs to remove prior versions of JAWS, I checked the programs and features applett and found: Freedom Scientific Synthesizer Eloquence Freedom Scientific 7/ 13/ 2015 10.9 MB 6.1.004 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0 Freedom Scientific 8/ 28/ 2012 15.3 MB 13.0.1006.400 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 14.0 Freedom Scientific 8/ 27/ 2013 35.2 MB 14.0.6005.400 Freedom Scientific Video Intercept Freedom Scientific 8/ 27/ 2013 12.6.305.0 opting to uninstall the 13 talking installer, I got the following which also happens with the 14 talking installer: The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable. Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package 'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in the box below. C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\ OK The path 'C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\RuntimeJAWS.msi' cannot be found. Verify that you have access to this location and try again, or try to find the installation package 'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in a folder from which you can install the product Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0. Cancel The installation source for this product is not available. Verify that the source exists and that you can access it. I figure the Eloquence driver and Video Intercept are needed components, so left those alone. how to cleanly remove both talking installers? ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150809/1dd58b4b/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites
Brent, Using your link, I went to the page, and selected the link that just said - under the heading Submit A Request Choose a Topic When I pressed Enter on the dash, JAWS kind of lost its place, but I found that same heading, and all the topics were displayed. They did not say link before announcing the topic, but I just ignored that and pressed the spacebar on Change Feed URL. Up came the page asking for my Email address, etc. Again, this was with Firefox 39.0.3 and JAWS 15. Hope that helps, Brad This issue they're having is with properly linking to a podcast feed so iTunes opens. I just wanted to submit a ticket here here https://itunespodcasts.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new to see if it is possible to make a link on a website that opens iTunes to the reviews page of their podcast. I've emailed Apple's accessibility, but this link isn't a site they control directly. Right after it says choose a topic is a line of dashes which will probably speak silent, depending on how punctuation is set. The virtual cursor off way might let me submit it in the wrong category, but it probably goes in other. I've seen this setup on Uber's site also, but at least they let you email supp...@uber.com, but Apple doesn't have a podcast support email address. - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:58 PM Subject: Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites I have no idea if we're talking about the same thing or not. I just went to support.apple.com to see if I could find what your issue might be. Keep in mind I have no Apple products, so I couldn't go too far. I am using Firefox 39.0.3 and JAWS 15. But I said I wanted to contact support, and I then had to choose Get Started. There were a list of buttons to choose from. I chose Mac, and that gave me subcategories. I chose Desktop. I selected each by pressing the Spacebar on them. Then it gave me a whole new screen. I said my question was about Mail, so I pressed spacebar on Mail. Then another screen opened, and I really didn't know what I was trying to do since I don't have a question, so I closed the window. Is that of any help? Try spacebar to select an option if that's your problem. Sorry not to be more helpful. Brad On 8/9/2015 9:46 PM, Brent Harding via Jfw wrote: Uber and Apple are two instances with categories. It isn't even accessible on iOS either, but I bet if I didn't have broken arrow keys that are remapped to unused keys in Windows, Safari probably works perfectly with it on OSX. I could be wrong about that though. - Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 8:30 PM Subject: Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites Brent, I'm afraid I'm not going to be any help to you. After I sent my previous message, it occurred to me (derf dederf derf) that I could access what I needed at home as easily as at work. We do use a vendor that uses Zendesk, but there are no dropdowns on their portal. There's an edit field for Subject, and edit field for Description, and an edit field for the name of the organization for which we work. Then there's a browse button in case we need to attach any files to the request, and then a submit button. So apparently the vendor doesn't use any categories. The last time I used Zendesk with a different vendor, we did have categories to select, but it wasn't a problem in 2011-2012. But I no longer have access to that instance of Zendesk. I suspect you're suffering from a move to a mobile friendly platform for Zendesk, which often breaks accessibility. Sorry not to be of more help. Brad On 8/9/2015 3:39 PM, Brent Harding via Jfw wrote: I need to submit a ticket to a site that uses Zendesk. However, whether I use JFW with Chrome or Firefox, or even try to do it on my phone with iOS, I can't get past the drop down boxes to select the category. They don't identify as any link or combo box for me to use them, and turning virtual cursor off lands me on the wrong category most of the time. Apple and Uber are just two examples of sites that use this. How can I get my ticket submitted? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150809/934b4547/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link
RE: balarc advisor:
Tom, Belarc Advisor is a program that is free, and gives you all of your computer specs, in an easy to navigate document. It does not share any of your private information. It gives you a lot of good information about your computer, all in one place. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 12:46 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Tom Behler tombeh...@gmail.com Subject: RE: balarc advisor: What's Balarc Advisor? Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 1:07 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Michael Mote Subject: Re: balarc advisor: Yes it works very well with jaws Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Kenny via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Hi does balarc advisor work with windows 10? I was going to download it and use it to write down the windows 10 product key. Kenny Peyatt ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: stubborn remnances
Does anyone know how to remove Classic Shell? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:25 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Aidan aidan.smartt...@gmail.com Subject: Re: stubborn remnances Yes, that is windows for you. There are tools you can use to remove that entries, but I don't know enough about them. On 10/08/2015, Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: It's just registry entries that didn't get cleaned out by the uninstall process. Brad On 8/9/2015 5:53 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote: I didn't find any actual files, so I guess the ghosts will stay. I wonder what causes them to show up if there isn't anything there? hmm... On 8/9/2015 3:59 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote: It sounds like they're gone; the entries are just listed in Add/Remove Programs? If you look in your Program Files (Or Program Files x86) folders, can you find the actual programs themselves, or are those just dead entries in the Programs Features Control Panel? If they're just dead entries, they're annoying to look at but shouldn't hurt anything. Brad On 8/9/2015 2:42 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote: after running the tool from fs to remove prior versions of JAWS, I checked the programs and features applett and found: Freedom Scientific Synthesizer Eloquence Freedom Scientific 7/ 13/ 2015 10.9 MB 6.1.004 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0 Freedom Scientific 8/ 28/ 2012 15.3 MB 13.0.1006.400 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 14.0 Freedom Scientific 8/ 27/ 2013 35.2 MB 14.0.6005.400 Freedom Scientific Video Intercept Freedom Scientific 8/ 27/ 2013 12.6.305.0 opting to uninstall the 13 talking installer, I got the following which also happens with the 14 talking installer: The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable. Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package 'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in the box below. C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\ OK The path 'C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\RuntimeJAWS.msi' cannot be found. Verify that you have access to this location and try again, or try to find the installation package 'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in a folder from which you can install the product Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0. Cancel The installation source for this product is not available. Verify that the source exists and that you can access it. I figure the Eloquence driver and Video Intercept are needed components, so left those alone. how to cleanly remove both talking installers? ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/ 20150809/1dd58b4b/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Facebook: m.facebook.com/aidan.maher92 Skype: andries4451 Twitter: smarttalk7 Audioboo: www.audioboo.com/DjSpotlight ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
RE: balarc advisor:
Sounds cool. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 2:00 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Joseph Lee Subject: RE: balarc advisor: Hi, Belarc Advisor is a system information utility that gathers and displays current system configuration, hardware setup and more. Cheers, Joseph - Original Message - From: Tom Behler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Date sent: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 13:45:58 -0400 Subject: RE: balarc advisor: What's Balarc Advisor? Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 1:07 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Michael Mote Subject: Re: balarc advisor: Yes it works very well with jaws Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Kenny via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Hi does balarc advisor work with windows 10? I was going to download it and use it to write down the windows 10 product key. Kenny Peyatt ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: changing the view in outlook 2010
now, why doesn't fs realize this? On 8/9/2015 10:52 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote: There's one more good reason to avoid FS's virtual ribbon. Using the MS ribbon, we're using the same one that everyone in the world does. It means we can share info with sighted people and take advantage of regular online solutions when we encounter problems. I google solutions to Office problems regularly, but the answers might do me little good if I'd resorted to the virtual ribbon. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:33 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Les Kriegler Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 I think the instructions Bill is referring to is that as you tab, the keystrokes for accessing the various options from within the ribbon are given. Personally, I can live without that. I've had a real struggle with the ribbons ever since I started to use them, and I think it's because virtual ribbons were checked. I wondered why NVDA seemed to handle the ribbons more effectively than Jaws, and now I think I understand why that was the case. In retrospect, use of the virtual ribbons caused me more trouble than they were worth. Perhaps FS will improve on that feature, but for now, I won't be using that feature. Les -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:38 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 So, Bill, if I lose JAWS instructions, I might not know what I'm doing or where I am? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:13 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010 Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS instructions while navigating. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate for ribbon information? Carolyn -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010 Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this: JAWS put in the Virtual Ribbon for those who wanted to manually navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true in most instances. Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the function of some of the shortcuts. Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks. Les -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010 Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually impaired users. Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking this option need to be aware of the consequences. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re:
RE: Installation of Windows 10
Do you run the repair with which we're all familiar, or the one recently discussed on this list? Oddly enough, it's coming up a lot now, but I never heard of the new command structure until early this summer. Ted -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mote via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:02 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Mike Mote Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hello! I hate to correct anyone on the list, but I have to say that just because you are running Windows 8.1 does not mean you won't have to do a JAWS repair. I installed Windows 10 last night, and upon turning on my computer this morning, I got a message saying that the mirror display driver was not working properly. I did indeed have to run a JAWS repair. I was running the latest build of JAWS 16 as the FS instructions stated you had to install first. Not sure why this happened. Those of you who are upgrading from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 may encounter the same thing I did. Not to worry, once you run the repair, all seems to work OK. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Jennette via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:08 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: David Jennette dcj...@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 If your upgrading from windows seven you'll have to do the repair so the mirror display driver can be removed. If your upgrading from windows 8.1 you won't need to do a repair at all because it and windows ten access things the same way. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 5:45 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Aidan aidan.smartt...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Because the upgrade will change technical components and the way jaws interact with windows so you must repair jaws. So josef, just too things. If I use the media creation tool, can I build an iso wich include a product key and where will I find the key if it being the case? And also, will I stil need sighted help or a talking desktop bootable when using that tool for install? If not, does that mean you build the complete install, or just the windows iso you need like it comes on the dvd? On 08/08/2015, Jim Portillo via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: Why do I need to run an repair on JAWS? -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 8:10 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Mike and Jenna Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, I used both jfw 16 and narrator and I had no problems. Once you are upgraded you need to run a repair on jaws. -Original Message- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:57 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Jim Portillo portillo@gmail.com Subject: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently. Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers. Any tips will be helpful. I've got my machine set and ready to go. Jim Sent from my iPhone 6! ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Facebook: m.facebook.com/aidan.maher92 Skype: andries4451 Twitter: smarttalk7 Audioboo: www.audioboo.com/DjSpotlight ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
Re: stubborn remnances
Yes, that is windows for you. There are tools you can use to remove that entries, but I don't know enough about them. On 10/08/2015, Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote: It's just registry entries that didn't get cleaned out by the uninstall process. Brad On 8/9/2015 5:53 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote: I didn't find any actual files, so I guess the ghosts will stay. I wonder what causes them to show up if there isn't anything there? hmm... On 8/9/2015 3:59 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote: It sounds like they're gone; the entries are just listed in Add/Remove Programs? If you look in your Program Files (Or Program Files x86) folders, can you find the actual programs themselves, or are those just dead entries in the Programs Features Control Panel? If they're just dead entries, they're annoying to look at but shouldn't hurt anything. Brad On 8/9/2015 2:42 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote: after running the tool from fs to remove prior versions of JAWS, I checked the programs and features applett and found: Freedom Scientific Synthesizer Eloquence Freedom Scientific 7/ 13/ 2015 10.9 MB 6.1.004 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0 Freedom Scientific 8/ 28/ 2012 15.3 MB 13.0.1006.400 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 14.0 Freedom Scientific 8/ 27/ 2013 35.2 MB 14.0.6005.400 Freedom Scientific Video Intercept Freedom Scientific 8/ 27/ 2013 12.6.305.0 opting to uninstall the 13 talking installer, I got the following which also happens with the 14 talking installer: The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable. Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package 'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in the box below. C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\ OK The path 'C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\RuntimeJAWS.msi' cannot be found. Verify that you have access to this location and try again, or try to find the installation package 'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in a folder from which you can install the product Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0. Cancel The installation source for this product is not available. Verify that the source exists and that you can access it. I figure the Eloquence driver and Video Intercept are needed components, so left those alone. how to cleanly remove both talking installers? ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals: facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons My SmarterBucks signup link http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150809/1dd58b4b/attachment.html ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -- Facebook: m.facebook.com/aidan.maher92 Skype: andries4451 Twitter: smarttalk7 Audioboo: www.audioboo.com/DjSpotlight ___ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
