Re: [Jmol-developers] Jmol applet not running in Chrome 8.0.552
Not sure what's going on. Jmol.js in inserting an applet tag (Jmol #1) for Chrome and fails to display, but when that code is written directly (Jmol #2) it works. I've read about changes in the way recent Chrome deals with object tags, but not with applet tags. And since Chrome/Win hasn't got this problem, I think that's not the issue now. Anyway, I'm trying to direct Jmol.js to insert object tag for Chrome and Safari instead of applet tag, let's see if that workaround solves the issue. Can you please test this new version http://biomodel.uah.es/angel/Jmol/test/test-object-tags-2.htm particularly under Chrome/Mac and Safari? Thanks -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
Re: [Jmol-developers] Jmol applet not running in Chrome 8.0.552
I hope someone is filing a bug report with Chrome -- you have a good page there that very easily demonstrates the problem, it sounds like. 2011/1/28 Angel Herráez angel.herr...@uah.es Not sure what's going on. Jmol.js in inserting an applet tag (Jmol #1) for Chrome and fails to display, but when that code is written directly (Jmol #2) it works. I've read about changes in the way recent Chrome deals with object tags, but not with applet tags. And since Chrome/Win hasn't got this problem, I think that's not the issue now. Anyway, I'm trying to direct Jmol.js to insert object tag for Chrome and Safari instead of applet tag, let's see if that workaround solves the issue. Can you please test this new version http://biomodel.uah.es/angel/Jmol/test/test-object-tags-2.htm particularly under Chrome/Mac and Safari? Thanks -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers -- Robert M. Hanson Professor of Chemistry St. Olaf College 1520 St. Olaf Ave. Northfield, MN 55057 http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr phone: 507-786-3107 If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
Re: [Jmol-developers] Jmol applet not running in Chrome 8.0.552
I'm sorry , I meant distribute the Jmol.js that generates the correct code On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Kevin Rosso ross...@gmail.com wrote: Angel- I've tested your url and it now loads Jmol succesfully. Attached is screenshot. Would this qualify as a 'patch', were you to distribute the jar that generates this code? Let me know how to proceed. 2011/1/28 Angel Herráez angel.herr...@uah.es: Not sure what's going on. Jmol.js in inserting an applet tag (Jmol #1) for Chrome and fails to display, but when that code is written directly (Jmol #2) it works. I've read about changes in the way recent Chrome deals with object tags, but not with applet tags. And since Chrome/Win hasn't got this problem, I think that's not the issue now. Anyway, I'm trying to direct Jmol.js to insert object tag for Chrome and Safari instead of applet tag, let's see if that workaround solves the issue. Can you please test this new version http://biomodel.uah.es/angel/Jmol/test/test-object-tags-2.htm particularly under Chrome/Mac and Safari? Thanks -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers -- Kevin M. Rosso work: 202-687-3785 cell: 240-498-5896 -- Kevin M. Rosso work: 202-687-3785 cell: 240-498-5896 -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
Re: [Jmol-developers] Jmol applet not running in Chrome 8.0.552
Bob, problem is, I don't know what/where the bug is, so I can hardly file it --may be taken as a Jmol.js problem. As I said, the applet code (#2) works fine when entered manually, but not (#1) when entered by Jmol.js (on my v.1 page, using the regular Jmol.js) http://biomodel.uah.es/angel/Jmol/test/test-object-tags.htm On page v.2, I am using a modified Jmol.js http://biomodel.uah.es/angel/Jmol/test/test-object-tags-2.htm It basically directs Chrome and Safari to use an obejct tag instead of an applet tag. Since the strange behaviour seems related to Mac/Chrome's interpretation of the applet tag (given the difference Kevin sees between my v.1 and v.2 pages), the problem is not solved but skipped. Kevin, yes, given that the modified Jmol.js works it will be put into the next distribution of Jmol (but I'd like to have some more extensive testing by different users, browsers and OSs before releasing it) For now, I will send the modified Jmol.js to you off-list if you want, as soon as I double-check which were the changes I introduced (this was done back at the beginning of December). BTW, I documented some of those findings and proposed changes at http://wiki.jmol.org/index.php/Jmol_Applet/Browser_Support -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
Re: [Jmol-developers] Jmol applet not running in Chrome 8.0.552
Angel, I'm happy to report: OS: Ubuntu Linux 10.4 (x64) with Sun-Java: 1.6.0_22 : * Chrome 8.0.552.237 - page v.1 and v.2: Jmol-Applets 1,2 and 3 work * Firefox 3.6.13 - page v.1 and v.2: Jmol-Applets 1,2 and 3 work OS: Windows 7 (x64) with Sun-Java: 1.6.0_22 (x86): * Chrome 8.0.552.237 - page v.1 and v.2: Jmol-Applets 1,2 and 3 work * Firefox 3.6.13 - page v.1 and v.2: Jmol-Applets 1,2 and 3 work * Internet Explorer 8 (x86) - page v.1 and v.2: Jmol-Applets 1,2, 3 and 4 work (no screen-shots as they all basically look like Kevin's Screen shot 2011-01-28 at 9.27.57 AM.png) Oliver 2011/1/28 Angel Herráez angel.herr...@uah.es Bob, problem is, I don't know what/where the bug is, so I can hardly file it --may be taken as a Jmol.js problem. As I said, the applet code (#2) works fine when entered manually, but not (#1) when entered by Jmol.js (on my v.1 page, using the regular Jmol.js) http://biomodel.uah.es/angel/Jmol/test/test-object-tags.htm On page v.2, I am using a modified Jmol.js http://biomodel.uah.es/angel/Jmol/test/test-object-tags-2.htm It basically directs Chrome and Safari to use an obejct tag instead of an applet tag. Since the strange behaviour seems related to Mac/Chrome's interpretation of the applet tag (given the difference Kevin sees between my v.1 and v.2 pages), the problem is not solved but skipped. Kevin, yes, given that the modified Jmol.js works it will be put into the next distribution of Jmol (but I'd like to have some more extensive testing by different users, browsers and OSs before releasing it) For now, I will send the modified Jmol.js to you off-list if you want, as soon as I double-check which were the changes I introduced (this was done back at the beginning of December). BTW, I documented some of those findings and proposed changes at http://wiki.jmol.org/index.php/Jmol_Applet/Browser_Support -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
Re: [Jmol-developers] Jmol applet not running in Chrome 8.0.552
Angel, I found one problem with your proposal. See below. Jonathan On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Angel Herráez wrote: Thanks, Oliver, for the report Pending further testing, this is my interpretation so far: 1. This is not an issue with browser handling of the applet tag, but with the object tag (I stand corrected here on my previous comment, after re-reading my own conclusions left in the wiki page last month :-) ) 2. There is a discussion on the web and many reports of websites suddenly failing due to Chrome's ~recent change of behavior over the object tag http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=62076 which they say (a) will not be reversed --considered a spec, not a bug, (b) will propagate to Safari as it is updated The issue is with object tags using a classid='java: parameter. The cure is to remove this parameter (apparently the removal does not damage other browsers) 3. The reason the problem is only seen in Macs is due to the old browser sniffing code in Jmol.js --which incidentally I discovered last December, don't really remember why-- * So that Mac/Chrome is read as Mac/Safari and both get an object tag. * While Win/Safari and Win/Chrome are not detected and so get (as a fallback) an applet tag. * Win/Firefox and Linux/Firefox get object, but Mac/Firefox is set to use applet (don't know why). None of them give trouble. More details at the Wiki, http://wiki.jmol.org/index.php/Jmol_Applet/Browser_Support 4. My proposal (partially implemented in my v.2 page modified Jmol.js, which I would propagate to the official Jmol.js and the browser testing page in the Jmol website): a. Chrome is detected before Safari (although maybe that's not necessary). Or better, reduce browser sniffing to the (old) exceptions that were known not to work and leave most as feature detection. b. Both Chrome and Safari will get the object tag, irrespective of the OS, as other modern browsers are getting. c. Set Mac/Firefox to do the same as other Firefoxes (Anyone knows of any problems with Mac/Firefox that make the applet tag more adequate than the object tag?) Just tested this. Your version 2 page does not work with FF 3.6+ MacOS 10.6. No Jmol appears in the first box. Apparently, MacOS FF does do something different. I will also test some of the other combinations this weekend. Jonathan d. Most importantly, adopt the new syntax for the object tag, so avoiding the problem seen in Mac/Chrome and a future problem in Mac/Safari -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers Dr. Jonathan H. Gutow Chemistry Departmentgu...@uwosh.edu UW-Oshkosh Office: 920-424-1326 800 Algoma BoulevardFAX:920-424-2042 Oshkosh, WI 54901 http://www.uwosh.edu/facstaff/gutow -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
