converting W2 to 1099 rates
What is the standard way of taking a W2 rate and converting to 1099?
Re: Newbie to Group Interested in Rates
Since you have some info to share about SF, you might get a better response if you help people with what you know. BTW, I am in SF area and don't have info on Seattle. Barry At 10:24 AM 3/26/2003 -0800, na wrote: With all this talk about scary hiring and all the references to rates, I would be interested in finding out what rates everyone is charging/getting now-a-days? I live in the Seattle area and would be particularly interested in hearing about what people are paying here. I am very interested because I am just coming of a 2 year contract (telecommute to San Francisco) and am starting to look for Perl and Java work. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul J. Boyes
Re: Newbie to Group Interested in Rates
Whoops!!! You are right. With my contract in SF, I have been working 40 hours a week and get $54 an hour. In actuality, if I go over 40 hours a week, I still only get paid for 40. So, I am basically getting a flat rate of 40 hours x $56 = $2160. And, I am happy with it in that context. But, for small short projects, I generally try to get $75 an hour. And, I have gotten that around here (Seattle), but am wondering if it is too high. Thanks, Paul Barry Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Since you have some info to share about SF, you might get a better response if you help people with what you know. BTW, I am in SF area and don't have info on Seattle. Barry At 10:24 AM 3/26/2003 -0800, na wrote: With all this talk about scary hiring and all the references to rates, I would be interested in finding out what rates everyone is charging/getting now-a-days? I live in the Seattle area and would be particularly interested in hearing about what people are paying here. I am very interested because I am just coming of a 2 year contract (telecommute to San Francisco) and am starting to look for Perl and Java work. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul J. Boyes
Re: Newbie to Group Interested in Rates
Yep. I just started using this news client and did not configure the email correctly. Sorry!! It should be right now. My apologies. Thanks, Paul Ask Bjoern Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, na wrote: Paul, Please don't post to the list with an invalid email address - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do();
Re: Newbie to Group Interested in Rates
Wow $46,500 in San Jose!?!?! That's not much for there. Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In SF I make $65/hour on projects, but my fulltime position in San Jose only pays $46,500/year. --- na [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops!!! You are right. With my contract in SF, I have been working 40 hours a week and get $54 an hour. In actuality, if I go over 40 hours a week, I still only get paid for 40. So, I am basically getting a flat rate of 40 hours x $56 = $2160. And, I am happy with it in that context. But, for small short projects, I generally try to get $75 an hour. And, I have gotten that around here (Seattle), but am wondering if it is too high. Thanks, Paul Barry Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Since you have some info to share about SF, you might get a better response if you help people with what you know. BTW, I am in SF area and don't have info on Seattle. Barry At 10:24 AM 3/26/2003 -0800, na wrote: With all this talk about scary hiring and all the references to rates, I would be interested in finding out what rates everyone is charging/getting now-a-days? I live in the Seattle area and would be particularly interested in hearing about what people are paying here. I am very interested because I am just coming of a 2 year contract (telecommute to San Francisco) and am starting to look for Perl and Java work. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul J. Boyes __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
[OT] Re: Job security? [was: burger rates]
Sorry, but I can't let this go. The rich get richer while the poor get poorer is a nice sounding catch phrase that's not backed up by the actual facts. Despite rising executive salaries and unethical behaviour at the top, the poor are NOT getting poorer. Their incomes are also rising. They may not be rising as steeply as executive pay, but their lot is still improving, not getting worse. As for reaching a point in the United States when only the chosen few have a job, we're a *long* way away from that point. Unemployment was still less less than 6% in the U.S. last time I checked, and has been relatively stable so far in 2002. Sure, I'd love it to be lower, but your gloomy prediction implies unemployment well over 50%. I don't think it ever got that high even in the Great Depression. This is still a prosperous country, folks. We're nowhere near Argentina in terms of economies. Let's keep things in perspective. (BTW, I apologize for the US-centric nature of this post. No offense intended to folks from Argentina or anywhere else. I'm just most familiar with where I live. ) Wes Sheldahl Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/05/2002 08:41:00 PM Please respond to Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Wesley Sheldahl/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: Re: Job security? [was: burger rates] Has anyone asked what caused the depression that we're in? I would argue that it's partly due to a fundamental lack of ethics. The companies' executives want to make even more money (perhaps increasing a salary of $5 million a year to $6 million a year), and their way of achieving this is to hurt the people that can't fight back. In essence, the rich are becoming richer, while the poor are becoming poorer. Regards, Mike Gnitecki
burger rates
$12/hour? wow. i can do better at a local store. uri -- Uri Guttman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stemsystems.com - Stem and Perl Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding Search or Offer Perl Jobs http://jobs.perl.org
Re: burger rates
The same thought crossed my mind. That's not much more than my wife is making during her internship! Now I can see why an intern gets paid peanuts... Drew At 03:30 PM 9/4/02 -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: $12/hour? wow. i can do better at a local store. -- Drew Taylor| Web development consulting http://www.drewtaylor.com/ | perl/mod_perl/DBI/mysql/postgres -- If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not start writing it. -Edsger Dijkstra -- Speakeasy.net DSL - http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/29655
Re: burger rates
Ask Bjoern Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Mike wrote: The country is not in a recession. It's in a depression. I don't know anyone who is truly doing well (they're all either unemployed or making far less income than they used to make). I don't understand this. I haven't seen any signs that it's easier to hire Perl people with a clue than it was before. (Not here in Los Angeles anyway). what signs are you looking at? because if that's a job offer, i'll show you that it's easier by spending what little i have left in savings to fly to LA (from NYC) on the off-chance that i can find a job and relocate my family out there. the last 3 programming jobs i worked (and i mean 9-5 jobs w/benefits, not short-term contract projects) i sent out resumes for maybe two to three weeks, went on a couple of interviews and than picked and chose from among the resulting job offers. that was in '95, '98 and 2001. this time i have been looking for months, have sent several *hundred* resumes out, and only had two employers respond at all, had two great interviews in both cases, and was told that they had literally hundreds of qualified resumes, took weeks to sift through and interview the best and ended up hiring someone else. apparently the unemployment rate here is higher than ever, and highest of all, in the tech sector, resulting in an avalance of response to the decent jobs that *are* advertised. so my only conclusion is that the new york labor market is heavy with available programmers and light on employment opportunities. as for *clueful* programmers? well, you see, we're just hard to spot when the sea of resumes hits your desk :-) -dave
Re: burger rates
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, David Kaufman wrote: what signs are you looking at? because if that's a job offer, i'll show you that it's easier by spending what little i have left in savings to fly to LA (from NYC) on the off-chance that i can find a job and relocate my family out there. http://jobs.perl.org/job/427 http://jobs.perl.org/job/429 Write to Todd at the address specified in the contact information section. [...] as for *clueful* programmers? well, you see, we're just hard to spot when the sea of resumes hits your desk :-) Maybe that's true. Most people (most likely myself included) are REALLY BAD at writing resumes[1]. I haven't had the chore of filtering trough a pile of resumes lately, but my impression is that most of what comes in (for any job) is, uh, crap. - ask [1] Oh please, PLEASE tell what the $^# you did instead of what random technologies you used. -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do();
Professional rates
At 11:49 -0500 1/28/02, Michael R. Wolf wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terrence Brannon) writes: 1 - what, specifically do you call a professional rate? in 1099 contractor terms I remember reading somewhere that the middle 50% of rates to be $60-$90/hr. There are good reasons for the top and bottom 25%, but the middle 50% sets a good basis for deviations above or below. Seems that rates are down this year from last years rates. Tick-tock. The pendulum swings back and forth. Of course, your mileage may vary. There are about 714.3 different inputs to the equation that churns out a dollar-per-hour rate, and there are compensations in non-dollar amounts (see previous thread). Then again, if you don't want to deal with the 714.3 inputs, do it the simple way: There are approximately 2000 fulltime working hours in a year (rounding to 50 weeks, 40 hours per week). 1) If you were accepting a salaried, fulltime employee job with benefits what would you expect your annual salary to be? 2) Take that number and divide by 1000 - that's a good upper bound for hourly pay. Considering computer, desk, secretarial access, fax machine, telephone, pager, books, etc,etc, a company is considered to actually spend twice the annual salary on each employee. 3) Divide again by 2 for a lower bound. Below this lower bound, you should think very hard. As a contractor, you should not expect to work a full 40 hour week all year long unless you are lucky and the market is very good. In addition, you will pay for your own: 1) vacations (I hear people snickering here but I believe that if I'm contracting I still deserve time off; you choose to trade money = time) 2) 401K/KEOGH/IRA - no company matching funds 3) benefits - medical, dental, etc 4) equipment Be sure to count those in. They either raise the rate or lower the available hours per year. (In California, for example, vacation time is considered payment; depending on the employer you can cash out unused vacation time if you leave the company; other employers require unused vacation to be take at the end of the year in time off. In any event, it should be counted as pay.) Example: Say I expect 80K for salaried fulltime. I should ask for 80/hour. I should not accept less than 40/hour. Or turn it around. $10-15 / hour is a fulltime annualized 40hr./week salary of $20,000 - 30,000. That isn't a professional rate. I got more than that offered to me in my first year out of grad school in 1984, with a masters in Microbiology and an job of clinical data specialist. For San Diego, 2002, senior (?) Perl programmer this is in no way a professional rate. Look at it yet another way - a local credit union offers $15/hour for tellers. I had a discussion with a body shop (aka contracting firm) where they asked What rate do you want? I suggested $50/hour minimum (they, of course, would bill the client for more). Astounded, the recruiter responded, But that's 104,000 a year!. Several answers sprang to mind: only for a 40 hour/week fulltime year with no time off ... whose leg are you trying to pull here? .. yeah, so? We are not working together. -- - Vicki Vicki Brown ZZZ Journeyman Sourceror: P.O. Box 1269 zz |\ _,,,---,,_Scripts Philtres San Bruno, CA zz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_ Perl, Unix, MacOS 94066 USA |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] '---''(_/--' `-'\_) http://www.cfcl.com/~vlb
Re: Rates
Can anyone tell me what rates are like in Britain? Is there a straight $ to ? translation or is the company or contractors locality likely make a significant difference. There seems to be a very wide range of salaried/waged programming jobs here ranging from around ?9,000 to ?65,000 and up. What do you consider to be an average programming salary? Would roughly 1.5 times this be considered a good rate for a contracted programmer? I know this is largely subject to what you would be doing so lets generally stick to Perl CGI.
Re: rates
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:28:18AM -0400, Randall Perry wrote: Just wondering what the price range is for this type of programming. Could someone give me an idea of the low, high end? I posted this to Usenet in 1999, never bothered to go look again. --- Contract Professional magazine (along with Dice) has published its annual rate survey. There were 215 (self-selected) respondents for Perl: hourly print web -- --- -- $40 17% (16.3) $40-89 64% (63.7) $90 20% (20.0) http://www.dice.com/ratesurvey/ratesurvey.html I just left all the defaults in the form and chose only Perl. --- See also: http://www.realrates.com/msearch.htm -- Tad McClellan SGML consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perl programming Fort Worth, Texas
Re: Rates
on 10/18/01 10:55 AM, Paolo Campanella at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:28:18 -0400 Randall Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a web designer who's gotten into unix perl programming with back-end SQL database. My current rates for web design are $50/hour. Just wondering what the price range is for this type of programming. Could someone give me an idea of the low, high end? Low end: I once responded to a telecommuting job offer, posted to the Perl Jobs list, from a US employer. I proposed a rate of USD35/hour, and was told that this is a crazy rate, that the market has fallen apart, and that he can get good telecommuters for half that. So, I would put the low end at $17,50. What does Burger King pay its staff? :-) That might be reasonable for a full-time position with health insurance, 401k, 4 weeks paid vacation. For contract workers it's slave labor. -- Randy Perry sysTame Mac Consulting/Sales phn 561.589.6449 mobile email[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rates
on 10/18/01 1:55 PM, Vicki Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:08 -0400 10/18/01, Randall Perry wrote: So, I would put the low end at $17,50. What does Burger King pay its staff? :-) That might be reasonable for a full-time position with health insurance, 401k, 4 weeks paid vacation. _Where_ do you live?!? Florida. Pretty cheap here (in every respect). But, I charge $50/hour like I said in my original post. I'm always stunned when the salary surveys don't separate by locale. Large metropolitan areas have higher average salaries; that doesn't mean the workers are socking away more money in the bank. A low-end average house price here is $250K. Probably a fixer-upper. I know people paying $2000/month rent for 1-bedroom apartments. I couldn't live here on $17,500 - I couldn't make my house payment, let alone buy food. I meant $17.5/hour salaried which works out to $36,400 annual. -- Randy Perry sysTame Mac Consulting/Sales phn 561.589.6449 mobile email[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rates
At 12:08 -0400 10/18/01, Randall Perry wrote: So, I would put the low end at $17,50. What does Burger King pay its staff? :-) That might be reasonable for a full-time position with health insurance, 401k, 4 weeks paid vacation. 4 weeks ?!?!? I'll do it, but for 11 months paid vacation :) -Doug -- ___ Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143
Re: rates
Paolo == Paolo Campanella [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paolo Low end: I once responded to a telecommuting job offer, posted Paolo to the Perl Jobs list, from a US employer. I proposed a rate of Paolo USD35/hour, and was told that this is a crazy rate, that the Paolo market has fallen apart, and that he can get good telecommuters Paolo for half that. Then let him. And when the person takes twice as long, and then he misses his deadlines, or has to rewrite substantial portions of it with the *good* contractors he should have hired in the first place, he'll remember you for having said that. :) Yes, I've been the guy passed over and the cleanup guy many times in my career. Programming is not a commodity market. You hire people willing to work for cheap, and you get cheap useless output. And frequently, that's money just thrown down the toilet. Then you hire me, I go in, and in 1/10th the time, rewrite the whole thing, and you pay me 1/4th what you threw away on the other guy. Happens - over and over again. So, let him. Let him understand the error of his ways from a first-hand basis. Let him realize that his unfounded fear of paying me more per hour than he makes does not make him less virile, but actually more successful in the long run. I've also been more successful when I say what's your budget for this? instead of even mentioning hourly rates. I take their budget, divide it by the hourly rate I want, and then bid that many weeks. Much better solution. Of course, I have to deliver it in that, but I'm pretty fast. :) And *that's* all a manager really wants. They've got a budget, and they want the project done. They also have to believe *you* can do it. Oops, shouldn't be giving away my secrets. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: rates
On 18 Oct 2001 08:52:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: Yes, I've been the guy passed over and the cleanup guy many times in my career. Programming is not a commodity market. You hire people willing to work for cheap, and you get cheap useless output. And frequently, that's money just thrown down the toilet. Then you hire me, I go in, and in 1/10th the time, rewrite the whole thing, and you pay me 1/4th what you threw away on the other guy. Happens - over and over again. True - and the bidding wars on sites like Elance and RentACoder seem to exacerbate this problem, and foul the pot for everyone. Just as auction sites seem to favour the seller, so labour auction sites seem to favour the hirer (but possibly to their detriment as you point out). I've also been more successful when I say what's your budget for this? instead of even mentioning hourly rates. I take their budget, divide it by the hourly rate I want, and then bid that many weeks. Much better solution. Of course, I have to deliver it in that, but I'm pretty fast. :) I've realised that an hourly rate is completely useless. Every hirer with a project wants to know what it will cost to complete the project, and not what one's hourly rate is. And yet the hourly rate still has some psychological effect. Strange... And *that's* all a manager really wants. They've got a budget, and they want the project done. They also have to believe *you* can do it. Oops, shouldn't be giving away my secrets. :) So, you're saying spend some time on your publications? :-) Bye Paolo
