Re: [josm-dev] Illegal tag/value combination

2011-04-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/16 Frederik Ramm :
> In every talk I hold on OSM I tell folks that in OSM, they can enter any tag
> they want. I wouldn't want them to turn to JOSM, enter a tag and the first
> thing they get is a message that this is unknown!


I think that most likely the first tag a user sets will be one of the
well known (observing new users I noticed that they used only the
presets). If you are confident enough to invent a tag you will also
not be surprised by an info message that tells you that JOSM doesn't
know the tag.


> Maybe we should have different sets of defaults. When someone fires up JOSM
> for the first time, they could be asked whether they want the newbie
> nannying set of defaults or not. I'm sure some people would want it as it
> gives them more security; other would prefer the less intrusive editor.


yes, good idea. I would implement this if I could ;-)

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [josm-dev] Illegal tag/value combination

2011-04-16 Thread Dirk Stöcker

On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:


Well, "test" is not recognized and unknown tags are info-level and not
displayed by default.


I see. Turned it on ;-)
Actually I think that displaying these info-level hints as Infos (and
not as errors like before) would be also useful by default. I don't
perceive it as "nannying the users".


Info level has too many false positives to be useful as default and I 
don't think this will change in future.


I don't want to encourage the users who want to have everything perfect 
and then destroy perfectly valid data not recogniced by validator. The 
validator should only be a help to find obvious errors and allows deeper 
inspection only when the user knows what he does.


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Re: [josm-dev] Illegal tag/value combination

2011-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 04/16/2011 04:19 AM, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Well, "test" is not recognized and unknown tags are info-level and not
displayed by default.


I see. Turned it on ;-)
Actually I think that displaying these info-level hints as Infos (and
not as errors like before) would be also useful by default. I don't
perceive it as "nannying the users".


I do.

In every talk I hold on OSM I tell folks that in OSM, they can enter any 
tag they want. I wouldn't want them to turn to JOSM, enter a tag and the 
first thing they get is a message that this is unknown!


Maybe we should have different sets of defaults. When someone fires up 
JOSM for the first time, they could be asked whether they want the 
newbie nannying set of defaults or not. I'm sure some people would want 
it as it gives them more security; other would prefer the less intrusive 
editor.


Bye
Frederik

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