Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts
On 02/05/2012 03:01, Russ Nelson wrote: About once a month I need to move an entire way. I don't understand the use case for this feature. Can somebody (preferably somebody who uses it every day) explain it to me? I use it all the time (though I too get hit by accidental moves a lot as well - and I find the warning more trouble than it is worth - I always realise I did it, and it's much easier to turn it off and press CTRL+Z when it happens). I'm doing lots of buildings. I often create them in rectangular sections with the building tool which need assembling. It is also much easier when working on oblique satellite views to create the outlines at roof level and then reposition to ground afterwards (taking account, of course, of ground survey and differing roof heights). Similarly, it is often much easier to copy, paste and move areas of grass into position, and then tweak the nodes, than to create each individually from scratch. David ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts
2012/5/2 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net: At 2012-05-01 19:01, Russ Nelson wrote: Having said that, because I rarely draw buildings, most of the time I end up moving a way in JOSM, it's a mistake. It usually happens when trying to select one of the midpoint 'x' to create a new node and position it, and selecting the whole way instead. Longer ways are protected by a dialog that warns you, but I'd like to see the same for shorter ways. you could achieve this by lowering the threshold in preferences. Actually with the lastest version as of now I saw that there seems to be no warning dialogue any more (at least I moved lots of geometry and there was no warning). Maybe regression? cheers, Martin ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts
At 2012-05-02 06:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/5/2 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net: At 2012-05-01 19:01, Russ Nelson wrote: Having said that, because I rarely draw buildings, most of the time I end up moving a way in JOSM, it's a mistake. It usually happens when trying to select one of the midpoint 'x' to create a new node and position it, and selecting the whole way instead. Longer ways are protected by a dialog that warns you, but I'd like to see the same for shorter ways. you could achieve this by lowering the threshold in preferences. True, once the ability to disable it for just one session existed, for the occasions when I'm drawing or editing buildings. Actually with the lastest version as of now I saw that there seems to be no warning dialogue any more (at least I moved lots of geometry and there was no warning). Maybe regression? Would you confirm and ticket that? I usually notice that it's happened from the visual cue of the way being highlighted, but not always. I'm sure I'm not alone. I've come across damage from this in the past and it's a pain to fix after other edits have occurred in the area. -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts
Alan Mintz writes: I don't use it every day, but those who draw buildings do (or should). Draw the roof of a tall building. Drag (usually somewhat diagonally) the whole (closed) way to move it to the correct ground position, based on whichever corner is visible at ground level. A, yes, of course. I wonder if shift-drag might not be appropriate for such uses, to split out that functionality from selection? I mean, how many times have you tried to draw a box around something, and found yourself dragging a way?? Given that the behavior is pernicious enough to warrant a protection warning, maybe it shouldn't be on the bare drag action? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Russ Nelson wrote: Alan Mintz writes: I don't use it every day, but those who draw buildings do (or should). Draw the roof of a tall building. Drag (usually somewhat diagonally) the whole (closed) way to move it to the correct ground position, based on whichever corner is visible at ground level. A, yes, of course. I wonder if shift-drag might not be appropriate for such uses, to split out that functionality from selection? I mean, how many times have you tried to draw a box around something, and found yourself dragging a way?? Given that the behavior is pernicious enough to warrant a protection warning, maybe it shouldn't be on the bare drag action? Please open a ticket for this and continue discussion there. It seems sensible to me to make this a less easy acessible function. Today we have a lot of additional work methods, so dragging ways is probably not that important as it was in the past. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
