Re: [josm-dev] Thank You Note?
Hi, On 15.06.2013 04:54, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: at the FOSSGIS conference, someone said in a presentation that the user experience in OSM could be improved if the editor were to give a simple thank you message after you have uploaded something. Thank yo for contributing to OpenStreetMap or so. I think it far more powerful if nothing special happens ...but a day or two later someone drops by, reviews the edit, and sends a note of encouragement. (but why is this on the JOSM list... JOSM is not an entry level editor?) It is on the JOSM list because I wanted to hear JOSM developers' opinions about this. And whether or not JOSM is an entry level editor (it is certainly used often for introducing new people to OSM, see e.g. learnosm.org) should not have an effect on it attempting to provide a satisfying user experience. Sure, even nicer to get encouraging emails from others in the project but how likely is that? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Thank You Note?
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013, Frederik Ramm wrote: thank you message after you have uploaded something. Thank yo for contributing to OpenStreetMap or so. I think it far more powerful if nothing special happens ...but a day or two later someone drops by, reviews the edit, and sends a note of encouragement. (but why is this on the JOSM list... JOSM is not an entry level editor?) It is on the JOSM list because I wanted to hear JOSM developers' opinions about this. And whether or not JOSM is an entry level editor (it is certainly used often for introducing new people to OSM, see e.g. learnosm.org) should not have an effect on it attempting to provide a satisfying user experience. Sure, even nicer to get encouraging emails from others in the project but how likely is that? Actually I would find such (valueless) messages disturbing. If we add it, it should be auto-disabled after e.g. 20 uploads and also be an auto-disapearing splash-overlay (like the filter display). OTOH probably we should build statistics and display these (e.g. in start splash screen or such an after-upload splash): - hours worked - nodes/ways/relations changed,added,removed - All stats at whole, last day, last week, last month That can encourage (or discourage when people see how much time they really spend for OSM). Combined with statistics such a note may be even interesting for long-time users of JOSM. A simple thanks is more a visual polution. Thought if we add stats, users will kill us when we suggest to reset preferences, as they will loose all their stats at the same time :-) Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Thank You Note?
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Sure, even nicer to get encouraging emails from others in the project but how likely is that? Peer review is a bigger topic. But peer review is also mapper-to-mapper contact. Editing OSM can be a very isolated experience. You find the map. You find a feature that's wrong. You learn the tool. You change it. And that's it. No followup, no thanks, no feedback. Connecting a new (first 20 edits) user to a nearby mapper, that could really draw people into the community of OSM. I'd definitely review the edits of new nearby mappers. [image: Inline image 1] ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Thank You Note?
On 15.06.2013 13:20, Dirk Stöcker wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013, Frederik Ramm wrote: thank you message after you have uploaded something. Thank yo for contributing to OpenStreetMap or so. I think it far more powerful if nothing special happens ...but a day or two later someone drops by, reviews the edit, and sends a note of encouragement. (but why is this on the JOSM list... JOSM is not an entry level editor?) It is on the JOSM list because I wanted to hear JOSM developers' opinions about this. And whether or not JOSM is an entry level editor (it is certainly used often for introducing new people to OSM, see e.g. learnosm.org) should not have an effect on it attempting to provide a satisfying user experience. Sure, even nicer to get encouraging emails from others in the project but how likely is that? Actually I would find such (valueless) messages disturbing. If we add it, it should be auto-disabled after e.g. 20 uploads and also be an auto-disapearing splash-overlay (like the filter display). + 10 OTOH probably we should build statistics and display these (e.g. in start splash screen or such an after-upload splash): - hours worked - nodes/ways/relations changed,added,removed - All stats at whole, last day, last week, last month That can encourage (or discourage when people see how much time they really spend for OSM). Combined with statistics such a note may be even interesting for long-time users of JOSM. A simple thanks is more a visual polution. Thought if we add stats, users will kill us when we suggest to reset preferences, as they will loose all their stats at the same time :-) We would need an extra service for that as you might have more than one preference directory, OP or PC. Why not include all added data not only the part that was committed through JOSM ? Colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Thank You Note?
Frederik Ramm writes: Sure, even nicer to get encouraging emails from others in the project but how likely is that? I've done it. Follow #osm-us, look for users in NY (just to limit the quantity and so there's some hope of my having been in the town where the edit was), review the edit, and send a thank-you note which makes it clear that I looked at the edit. Nice job with the Lobster House, thanks! It doesn't scale well. But it would be easier if I could say to osmbot-test on #osm-us Hey, send me a DM when somebody makes an edit within these bboxes: -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Thank You Note?
El 15/06/2013, a las 12:58, colliar colliar4e...@aol.com escribió: On 15.06.2013 13:20, Dirk Stöcker wrote: OTOH probably we should build statistics and display these (e.g. in start splash screen or such an after-upload splash): - hours worked - nodes/ways/relations changed,added,removed - All stats at whole, last day, last week, last month That can encourage (or discourage when people see how much time they really spend for OSM). Combined with statistics such a note may be even interesting for long-time users of JOSM. A simple thanks is more a visual polution. Thought if we add stats, users will kill us when we suggest to reset preferences, as they will loose all their stats at the same time :-) We would need an extra service for that as you might have more than one preference directory, OP or PC. Why not include all added data not only the part that was committed through JOSM ? The main OSM API allows storing arbitrary key-value pairs associated with a user account. You could put the hours worked there, and even document the key so that other editors store the stats in the same way. -- Nicolás ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Thank You Note?
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013, colliar wrote: Thought if we add stats, users will kill us when we suggest to reset preferences, as they will loose all their stats at the same time :-) We would need an extra service for that as you might have more than one preference directory, OP or PC. Why not include all added data not only the part that was committed through JOSM ? No server-based stats inside the editor. There are already services for that. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Thank You Note?
2013/6/15 Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013, colliar wrote: Thought if we add stats, users will kill us when we suggest to reset preferences, as they will loose all their stats at the same time :-) We would need an extra service for that as you might have more than one preference directory, OP or PC. Why not include all added data not only the part that was committed through JOSM ? No server-based stats inside the editor. There are already services for that. No existing service can show hours worked, because they don't know how long you spent editing before uploading a changeset. -- Nicolás ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
