Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Am 25.08.2010 23:54, schrieb Stephan Knauss: Sebastian Klein wrote: Stephan Knauss wrote: Sebastian Klein wrote: How about adding the basic functionality into core? Providing the listener and accepting commands. I consider this is a viable solution. It fixes the problem of version dependency between wmsplugin and remotecontrol. The core part of remotecontrol would go into JOSM main [...] Is this being worked on? Maybe for the next version after tested is released... I'm not working on this and I will not. I think the dependency between remotecontrol and wmsplugin is sufficiently handled. If the basic functionality of remotecontrol would be part of JOSM core it would make it more difficult for me when I have to make changes. Bodo ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Stephan Knauss wrote: Sebastian Klein wrote: So either the common protocol must be included in Josm core or another possible solution would be to use reflection. How about adding the basic functionality into core? Providing the listener and accepting commands. By default it will have no commands included. It provides a capabilities command that reports back the supported commands and their protocol version. Plugins can register new commands with the core similar than they would register other functionality (like shortcuts and such). So the core will know what commands are available and which plugin handles them. It can also reject registrations of commands that already exist. It can provide a single configuration dialog where the plugins can append their plugin-specific settings. Comments? I consider this is a viable solution. It fixes the problem of version dependency between wmsplugin and remotecontrol. The core part of remotecontrol would go into JOSM main, but it would not even listen to some network port, if no commands are registered. (This should satisfy the paranoid people.) remotecontrol plugin would then provide a basic set of commands and register them with JOSM core. Each time the protocol of the callback changes, developers have to update the Mainversion of all the remote-controlling plugins. (currently wmsplugin and remotecontrol) This would fit much better in the current framework. Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 20.08.2010 16:33, schrieb Komяpa: If possible, would also be nice to have just zoom command [...] Done. see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/RemoteControl#zoom_command Bodo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkxxigYACgkQnMz9fgzDSqcFQQCfWAz6JLWYxIujxWLOlmSQTDsk 0cMAoJw2NcF+cguDphuhkVjDIZrixNmL =cdlh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Sebastian Klein wrote: So either the common protocol must be included in Josm core or another possible solution would be to use reflection. How about adding the basic functionality into core? Providing the listener and accepting commands. By default it will have no commands included. It provides a capabilities command that reports back the supported commands and their protocol version. Plugins can register new commands with the core similar than they would register other functionality (like shortcuts and such). So the core will know what commands are available and which plugin handles them. It can also reject registrations of commands that already exist. It can provide a single configuration dialog where the plugins can append their plugin-specific settings. Comments? Stephan ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Hi, Stephan Knauss wrote: How about adding the basic functionality into core? Providing the listener and accepting commands. There's bound to be some Java standard for doing this request broker stuff? It isn't exactly a niche thing one should think. I am however wary at how people seem to use the remote control plugin for more and more stuff... where will it end? A special request where you can send some Java code to JOSM and it will execute that ;)? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Frederik Ramm writes: I am however wary at how people seem to use the remote control plugin for more and more stuff... where will it end? A special request where you can send some Java code to JOSM and it will execute that ;)? Every program expands until it can send email. JOSM?? Not there yet! -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 20.08.2010 16:33, schrieb Komяpa: If possible, would also be nice to have just zoom command, that won't load any data from OSM, but center view along bbox. If I've skipped it in documentation, please point me into it. A zoom only command is not available. I will try to add this while working on the remotecontrol plugin. Bodo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkxwL2cACgkQnMz9fgzDSqfLmQCeKRMcOS+hH6cZbnyYiU58CZaW lXUAnj92iG2VucFlTGYt8mybN42hnVqs =oPKw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Hi Bodo, 2010/8/18 Bodo Meissner b...@bodo-m.de: I hope this is what you imagined. Please inform me about problems or suggestions. Thanks. If possible, would also be nice to have just zoom command, that won't load any data from OSM, but center view along bbox. If I've skipped it in documentation, please point me into it. -- Darafei Komяpa Praliaskouski xmpp:m...@komzpa.net mailto:m...@komzpa.net ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Bodo Meissner wrote: Hello Komяpa, I modified the plugins remotecontrol and wmsplugin. see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/RemoteControl#other_commands and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/WMSPlugin#Remote_control I hope this is what you imagined. Please inform me about problems or suggestions. I think you broke wmsplugin (see #5348). You cannot add RemoteControl to the classpath for compiling and then not deploy the binaries needed to execute. At the moment, I'm not sure how to do this the right way, but please fix this as soon as possible, even if it is provisorily. Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Sebastian Klein wrote: Bodo Meissner wrote: Hello Komяpa, I modified the plugins remotecontrol and wmsplugin. see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/RemoteControl#other_commands and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/WMSPlugin#Remote_control I hope this is what you imagined. Please inform me about problems or suggestions. I think you broke wmsplugin (see #5348). You cannot add RemoteControl to the classpath for compiling and then not deploy the binaries needed to execute. At the moment, I'm not sure how to do this the right way, but please fix this as soon as possible, even if it is provisorily. There can be different conflicting versions of RemoteControl, wms and other pugins that will have support for Remote commands in the future. So either the common protocol must be included in Josm core or another possible solution would be to use reflection. Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Am 18.08.2010 23:49, schrieb Sebastian Klein: So either the common protocol must be included in Josm core or another possible solution would be to use reflection. Yesterday I fixed the problem by using reflection in WMSPlugin.java to call functions of RemoteControlPlugin. (see WMSPlugin.initRemoteControl()) Maybe I can solve the problem by encapsulation. Currently I use WMSRemoteHandler which is a subclass of org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.remotecontrol.RequestHandler and this does not trigger the ClassNotFoundException. I thought that it might be possible to move WMSPlugin.initRemoteControl() to some other class in wmsplugin.jar, maybe to WMSRemoteHandler and use normal calls instead of reflection. Bodo ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Hi Bodo, Bodo Meissner wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/RemoteControl#other_commands a while back I added the version command to enable web sites to detect a running JOSM. I thought that a version number might be sufficient to let Websites know which commands are available in the reported protocol version. With the possibility to add arbitrary commands that seams to be not enough. I think it might be useful to provide a capabilities command. That would report back the available commands as well as the interface version of each command. That way a website can discover whether the JOSM in use supports the requested functionality. What do you think? Stephan ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Am 18.08.2010 00:57, schrieb Stephan Knauss: a while back I added the version command to enable web sites to detect a running JOSM. I thought that a version number might be sufficient to let Websites know which commands are available in the reported protocol version. That means I should increment the version number. With the possibility to add arbitrary commands that seams to be not enough. I think it might be useful to provide a capabilities command. That would report back the available commands as well as the interface version of each command. In theory this is a good idea. Is there any website actually using the version number request? Currently the website could simply try the command and check the response. Should JOSM report only commands that are not disabled by configuration? IIRC a non-existing command will produce the same response as a disabled command. Bodo ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Komяpa wrote: 2010/8/12 Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com: Komяpa wrote: 1) Due to Landsat WMS being down and overloaded usually, we've set up a caching WMS proxy for it. JOSM URL is http://irs.gis-lab.info/?layers=landsat; Please consider updating JOSM defaults. Do you want it to show up in the list on the bottom, or make it installed by default instead of the standard landsat URL? Are you sure, you can handle the traffic? This server also provides IRS imagery for Russia for quite a long time. I'm sure it will be able to handle traffic. So, worth trying installing it by default. Done. Now, we need a convenient way to load that imagery into josm. An extenstion to josm-remote that will load specified WMS URL will be just fine. Hope somebody will write it, as I'm no java coder, unfortunately. There are some security issues when the browser has too much control over the client software. As far as I know, josm-remote has options that lets paranoid users disable some of its features if they dislike that. OK, the question is: Make it opt-in or opt-out? Let's wait till it's ready, then we can decide... Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
2010/8/12 Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com: Komяpa wrote: 1) Due to Landsat WMS being down and overloaded usually, we've set up a caching WMS proxy for it. JOSM URL is http://irs.gis-lab.info/?layers=landsat; Please consider updating JOSM defaults. Do you want it to show up in the list on the bottom, or make it installed by default instead of the standard landsat URL? Are you sure, you can handle the traffic? This server also provides IRS imagery for Russia for quite a long time. I'm sure it will be able to handle traffic. So, worth trying installing it by default. However you cannot force people to delete an entry from their menu, once it has been added it to their bookmarks. Ok. Now, we need a convenient way to load that imagery into josm. An extenstion to josm-remote that will load specified WMS URL will be just fine. Hope somebody will write it, as I'm no java coder, unfortunately. There are some security issues when the browser has too much control over the client software. As far as I know, josm-remote has options that lets paranoid users disable some of its features if they dislike that. -- Darafei Komяpa Praliaskouski xmpp:m...@komzpa.net mailto:m...@komzpa.net ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Komяpa wrote: 2) fires.Kosmosnimki.ru have provided us access to their realtime satellite imagery. That imagery [...] consists of thousands of layers. [...] Now, we need a convenient way to load that imagery into josm. An extenstion to josm-remote that will load specified WMS URL will be just fine. What do you want to implement? A Web page to select a layer and load it into JOSM? Currently the WMS plugin needs a configuration entry for every WMS server (and every layer). I don't know how much work it would be to implement a remote interface for (temporarily?) adding the necessary configuration and automatically loading the new WMS layer. For now I suggest you generate and display the WMS URL for the selected layer in the format required by JOSM. Then the user can copy and paste it into JOSM's configuration as needed. It's not as user friendly as you intended but it's the best you can do with the current version of JOSM and WMS plugin. (I resend this via nabble because my original message sent via webmail interface did not show up on the list.) Bodo -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/WMS-and-remote-control-tp5413841p5415372.html Sent from the JOSM Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
What do you want to implement? A Web page to select a layer and load it into JOSM? Yes. Currently the WMS plugin needs a configuration entry for every WMS server (and every layer). I don't know how much work it would be to implement a remote interface for (temporarily?) adding the necessary configuration and automatically loading the new WMS layer. Except for configuration window (F12-WMS), WMS plugin has menu item WMS-Rectified Image, that lets user quickly add a layer by WMS URL. What's needed is a way to access this functionality from a webpage. -- Darafei Komяpa Praliaskouski xmpp:m...@komzpa.net mailto:m...@komzpa.net ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Komяpa wrote: Hi all, 1) Due to Landsat WMS being down and overloaded usually, we've set up a caching WMS proxy for it. JOSM URL is http://irs.gis-lab.info/?layers=landsat; Please consider updating JOSM defaults. Do you want it to show up in the list on the bottom, or make it installed by default instead of the standard landsat URL? Are you sure, you can handle the traffic? The list of wms services [1] can be edited and is loaded by each wms client on startup. However you cannot force people to delete an entry from their menu, once it has been added it to their bookmarks. [1] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/wmsplugin/sources.cfg 2) fires.Kosmosnimki.ru have provided us access to their realtime satellite imagery. That imagery is not mosaiced, and consists of thousands of layers. We've made a WMS gateway to it. Now, we need a convenient way to load that imagery into josm. An extenstion to josm-remote that will load specified WMS URL will be just fine. Hope somebody will write it, as I'm no java coder, unfortunately. There are some security issues when the browser has too much control over the client software. If you extend josm-remote this way, I suggest you fork it. (No offence intended, might be useful for some.) Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
