Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
I'm home :) It was a real pleasure to finally meet everyone of you after all these years, I really enjoyed this week-end! I think this meetup was successful as we managed to discuss a lot about what we want to do next with JOSM. Michael has compiled the different discussed subjects in new Trac tickets (thanks!) and I see Simon already attached the photos of our brainstorming (thanks too!), all tickets can be retrieved with the hack-weekend-2018-10 keyword: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/query?status=!closed=~hack-weekend-2018-10 Let's see this week how things go. Right now I'm going to take a long sleep, I'm exhausted! Cheers, Vincent Le ven. 19 oct. 2018 à 00:00, Jo a écrit : > Standards, some people can't seem to get enough of them :-) > > Polyglot > > Op do 18 okt. 2018 om 21:16 schreef Dirk Stöcker < > openstreet...@dstoecker.de > >: > > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Vincent Privat wrote: > > > > >> After 1 day INTERGEO on Wednesday and at least 1 day RTCM standards > > >> committee meeting on Thursday the chances are pretty low that I'll > visit > > >> another conference voluntarily soon. :-) > > > > > > It's not really a conference, it's more likely coding, talking and > > drinking > > > beers :) And it's not often I come to Germany ;) > > > > Now it is 1 day fair and 2 days standards committee and I feel like > > afterwards I need a months holidays :-) > > > > My advice to everybody: If you get asked to participate in > > standardization, RUN, as fast as possible. Don't look back! > > > > I wish you all fun at the meeting. > > > > Ciao > > -- > > http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) > > > > >
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Standards, some people can't seem to get enough of them :-) Polyglot Op do 18 okt. 2018 om 21:16 schreef Dirk Stöcker : > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Vincent Privat wrote: > > >> After 1 day INTERGEO on Wednesday and at least 1 day RTCM standards > >> committee meeting on Thursday the chances are pretty low that I'll visit > >> another conference voluntarily soon. :-) > > > > It's not really a conference, it's more likely coding, talking and > drinking > > beers :) And it's not often I come to Germany ;) > > Now it is 1 day fair and 2 days standards committee and I feel like > afterwards I need a months holidays :-) > > My advice to everybody: If you get asked to participate in > standardization, RUN, as fast as possible. Don't look back! > > I wish you all fun at the meeting. > > Ciao > -- > http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) > >
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Vincent Privat wrote: After 1 day INTERGEO on Wednesday and at least 1 day RTCM standards committee meeting on Thursday the chances are pretty low that I'll visit another conference voluntarily soon. :-) It's not really a conference, it's more likely coding, talking and drinking beers :) And it's not often I come to Germany ;) Now it is 1 day fair and 2 days standards committee and I feel like afterwards I need a months holidays :-) My advice to everybody: If you get asked to participate in standardization, RUN, as fast as possible. Don't look back! I wish you all fun at the meeting. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
As I started digging into UI hangs already, would be great to have a discussion regarding the thread pools and how they could interfere / block painting. Stephan On October 15, 2018 2:05:26 AM GMT+07:00, Vincent Privat wrote: >There are at least two tickets for which I'd like to get help: >https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/15229 >https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16082 > >I was also thinking to start a major plugin cleanup projet. I think we >have >too many plugins and we should see how to reduce this number (inclusion >in >core, deletion or merging plugins together) > >Do you have something else in mind? > > >Le dim. 14 oct. 2018 à 19:26, Michael Zangl > >a écrit : > >> Hi, >> >> are there any specific issues we will be working on those days? >> >> Michael >> >> On 03.09.2018 22:36, Vincent Privat wrote: >> > Hello, >> > I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting >between >> JOSM >> > developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). >> > As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe >on >> > October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! >> > Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone >in >> person! >> > As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are >plenty >> of >> > them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) >> > Cheers, >> > Vincent >> > >> >>
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
On 15.10.2018 19:55, Dirk Stöcker wrote: Don't mix that: For the first two points I currently have a big no, as suggestions involve mostly relying on third party services (in case of git even on Microsoft). I'm too long in this business to ever do that again for a critical infrastructure component. It was simply too often that services said "Sorry, we terminate this now" or even "We encriple this now" to me that I trust such things if I can do otherwise in a similar way. ATM we could simply copy our backup to a new server and go on in case our service is shutdown now (with some hard work reinstalling...). I don't want to give up that possibility for a bit of additional niceties. OK, that's clear. That also my opinion to always have a backup plan in case things get bad / people leave the project / ... @All I'm looking forward to discuss all those issues with you and find a way that would work for JOSM. Michael
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Michael Zangl wrote: Since you are the one one objecting the loudest so far and won't be attending, what are the points that would convince you to do one of the following: * Switch to a different build system It must have advantages over the current one and must work offline and without third party server infrastructure. * Switch to a different / decentralized source versioning system? It must have advantages over the current one and must work without third party server infrastructure. * Change the project layout fundamentally (different source dir layout) I have no opinion here. Can't remember that I ever voiced either pro nor contra. If it makes sense why not? Thought the general rule applies here as well: It must have advantages over the current layout. And changes must be incremental, like all JOSM changes. * Change the way in which JOSM is started (e.g. to replace webstart) I don't use Webstart myself, as I don't use Windows. Whatever solution is the best here should be implemented. In the history Webstart was not the suggested solution, people downloaded the installers or the JAR-files as main method. Webstart has a lot of advantages and keeping an method as simple as that working would be a fine goal. But probably changing the exe to be a full-featured compiled Java exe is also a good way. That decision is up to the Windows users and developers. For most proposals, you currently have a "is no option" opinion, which makes it difficult for us to discuss anything we could apply later. Don't mix that: For the first two points I currently have a big no, as suggestions involve mostly relying on third party services (in case of git even on Microsoft). I'm too long in this business to ever do that again for a critical infrastructure component. It was simply too often that services said "Sorry, we terminate this now" or even "We encriple this now" to me that I trust such things if I can do otherwise in a similar way. ATM we could simply copy our backup to a new server and go on in case our service is shutdown now (with some hard work reinstalling...). I don't want to give up that possibility for a bit of additional niceties. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Since you are the one one objecting the loudest so far and won't be attending, what are the points that would convince you to do one of the following: * Switch to a different build system * Switch to a different / decentralized source versioning system? * Change the project layout fundamentally (different source dir layout) * Change the way in which JOSM is started (e.g. to replace webstart) For most proposals, you currently have a "is no option" opinion, which makes it difficult for us to discuss anything we could apply later. Michael On 15.10.2018 13:43, Dirk Stöcker wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Wiktor Niesiobedzki wrote: maybe less working on, but I'd like to discuss controversial tickets: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16420 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8269 I hope that face to face discussion may move us forward. You still need to convince me of the benefits and I'm not in Karlsruhe. Ciao
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pon., 15 paź 2018 o 13:46 Dirk Stöcker napisał(a): > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Wiktor Niesiobedzki wrote: > > > maybe less working on, but I'd like to discuss controversial tickets: > > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16420 > > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8269 > > > > I hope that face to face discussion may move us forward. > > You still need to convince me of the benefits and I'm not in Karlsruhe. That's really a shame, I really hoped for your presence at meetup though I had misinterpret your earlier declaration. We will miss you there. Cheers, Wiktor
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
It's not really a conference, it's more likely coding, talking and drinking beers :) And it's not often I come to Germany ;) Le lun. 15 oct. 2018 à 14:17, Dirk Stöcker a écrit : > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Vincent Privat wrote: > > > Can we convince you to come at least? :) > > After 1 day INTERGEO on Wednesday and at least 1 day RTCM standards > committee meeting on Thursday the chances are pretty low that I'll visit > another conference voluntarily soon. :-) > > Ciao > -- > http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) > >
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Vincent Privat wrote: Can we convince you to come at least? :) After 1 day INTERGEO on Wednesday and at least 1 day RTCM standards committee meeting on Thursday the chances are pretty low that I'll visit another conference voluntarily soon. :-) Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Can we convince you to come at least? :) Le lun. 15 oct. 2018 à 13:45, Dirk Stöcker a écrit : > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Wiktor Niesiobedzki wrote: > > > maybe less working on, but I'd like to discuss controversial tickets: > > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16420 > > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8269 > > > > I hope that face to face discussion may move us forward. > > You still need to convince me of the benefits and I'm not in Karlsruhe. > > Ciao > -- > http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) > >
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Wiktor Niesiobedzki wrote: maybe less working on, but I'd like to discuss controversial tickets: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16420 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8269 I hope that face to face discussion may move us forward. You still need to convince me of the benefits and I'm not in Karlsruhe. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2018, Michael Zangl wrote: For example, we could change the @since Javadoc-tags, to a real @ApiVersion annotation to mark this public API That would require a different development model for JOSM. And especially it would need a lot of work spend for defining, describing and supporting a stable API. That manpower simply does not exist, so there is no chance for a stable API. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Good idea! There is also another long-standing ticket for which I would like to move forward: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8645 Le lun. 15 oct. 2018 à 09:58, Wiktor Niesiobedzki a écrit : > Hi, > > maybe less working on, but I'd like to discuss controversial tickets: > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16420 > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8269 > > I hope that face to face discussion may move us forward. > > Cheers, > > Wiktor > > On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 19:27, Michael Zangl > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > are there any specific issues we will be working on those days? > > > > Michael > > > > On 03.09.2018 22:36, Vincent Privat wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between > > JOSM > > > developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). > > > As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on > > > October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! > > > Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in > > person! > > > As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are > plenty > > of > > > them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) > > > Cheers, > > > Vincent > > > > > > > >
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Hi, maybe less working on, but I'd like to discuss controversial tickets: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16420 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8269 I hope that face to face discussion may move us forward. Cheers, Wiktor On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 19:27, Michael Zangl wrote: > Hi, > > are there any specific issues we will be working on those days? > > Michael > > On 03.09.2018 22:36, Vincent Privat wrote: > > Hello, > > I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between > JOSM > > developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). > > As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on > > October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! > > Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in > person! > > As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty > of > > them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) > > Cheers, > > Vincent > > > >
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
I think #15229 alone would be enough for those two days. When we talk about that (and about reorganizing the plugins) we will probably come across many things we could change to make plugin integration more robust. For example, we could change the @since Javadoc-tags, to a real @ApiVersion annotation to mark this public API That way, we could test which API the plugin is compatible with automatically and add sonar rules to check for e.g. method calls that are not annotated (reason for an annotation: It is much easier to access using compile time tools) One thing that came to my mind is test-reorganization so that they match the structure of #15229 and that we can have per-module test results. And we should discuss ways to re-organize the sources in a way that we get IDE support for the dependencies. Seems like I should be planning to stay two days in Karlsruhe... Michael On 14.10.2018 21:05, Vincent Privat wrote: There are at least two tickets for which I'd like to get help: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/15229 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16082 I was also thinking to start a major plugin cleanup projet. I think we have too many plugins and we should see how to reduce this number (inclusion in core, deletion or merging plugins together) Do you have something else in mind? Le dim. 14 oct. 2018 à 19:26, Michael Zangl a écrit : Hi, are there any specific issues we will be working on those days? Michael On 03.09.2018 22:36, Vincent Privat wrote: Hello, I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between JOSM developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in person! As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty of them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) Cheers, Vincent
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
There are at least two tickets for which I'd like to get help: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/15229 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16082 I was also thinking to start a major plugin cleanup projet. I think we have too many plugins and we should see how to reduce this number (inclusion in core, deletion or merging plugins together) Do you have something else in mind? Le dim. 14 oct. 2018 à 19:26, Michael Zangl a écrit : > Hi, > > are there any specific issues we will be working on those days? > > Michael > > On 03.09.2018 22:36, Vincent Privat wrote: > > Hello, > > I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between > JOSM > > developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). > > As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on > > October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! > > Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in > person! > > As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty > of > > them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) > > Cheers, > > Vincent > > > >
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Hi, are there any specific issues we will be working on those days? Michael On 03.09.2018 22:36, Vincent Privat wrote: Hello, I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between JOSM developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in person! As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty of them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) Cheers, Vincent
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Hi, I'll be coming on October 20th ;-) Michael On 03.09.2018 22:36, Vincent Privat wrote: Hello, I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between JOSM developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in person! As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty of them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) Cheers, Vincent
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It's of course open to everyone "interested in JOSM development". Not just current developers :) I'm happy to see so many people coming! Le dim. 9 sept. 2018 à 15:39, Holger Mappt a écrit : > Hi, > > I don't consider myself a real JOSM developer and I didn't have much > time to contribute lately. But I would like to spend more time working > on the project, so that's a good reason to get it started. Count me in. > > Regards, > Holger > > > On 03.09.18 at 22:36 Vincent Privat wrote: > > Hello, > > I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between > JOSM > > developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). > > As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on > > October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! > > Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in > person! > > As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty > of > > them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) > > Cheers, > > Vincent > > > > >
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Hi, I don't consider myself a real JOSM developer and I didn't have much time to contribute lately. But I would like to spend more time working on the project, so that's a good reason to get it started. Count me in. Regards, Holger On 03.09.18 at 22:36 Vincent Privat wrote: Hello, I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between JOSM developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in person! As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty of them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) Cheers, Vincent
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018, Vincent Privat wrote: I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between JOSM developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in person! As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty of them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) In case someone is there: I'll be on INTERGEO in Frankfurt probably on 17th of October. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)
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Hi all, I'm planning to come as well … Really looking forward to meeting you in person! Simon On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:36 PM Vincent Privat wrote: > > Hello, > I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between JOSM > developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). > As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on > October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! > Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in person! > As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty of > them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) > Cheers, > Vincent
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Hi Vincent, Indeed, that's a great plan! I went to Karlsruhe last year, wasn't really planning to go this year, but this changes things, so I'll try to attend too! Polyglot Op di 4 sep. 2018 om 00:21 schreef Wiktor Niesiobedzki : > Hi, > > Sounds like a great plan. I'd love to meet you. Count me in. > > Cheers, > > Wiktor > > 2018-09-03 23:31 GMT+02:00 Florian Schäfer : > > > Hi Vincent, > > great idea, I think I'd most definitely stop by. > > I'm not yet sure if I'll have the time to participate in hacking on that > > weekend, but at least for a JOSM meetup I would join you in Karlsruhe. > > > > Cheers, > > Flo(scher) > > > > > > Am 03.09.2018 um 22:36 schrieb Vincent Privat: > > > >> Hello, > >> I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between > JOSM > >> developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). > >> As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on > >> October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! > >> Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in > >> person! > >> As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty > >> of > >> them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) > >> Cheers, > >> Vincent > >> > > > > > > >
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Hi, Sounds like a great plan. I'd love to meet you. Count me in. Cheers, Wiktor 2018-09-03 23:31 GMT+02:00 Florian Schäfer : > Hi Vincent, > great idea, I think I'd most definitely stop by. > I'm not yet sure if I'll have the time to participate in hacking on that > weekend, but at least for a JOSM meetup I would join you in Karlsruhe. > > Cheers, > Flo(scher) > > > Am 03.09.2018 um 22:36 schrieb Vincent Privat: > >> Hello, >> I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between JOSM >> developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). >> As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on >> October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! >> Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in >> person! >> As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty >> of >> them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) >> Cheers, >> Vincent >> > > >
Re: JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Hi Vincent, great idea, I think I'd most definitely stop by. I'm not yet sure if I'll have the time to participate in hacking on that weekend, but at least for a JOSM meetup I would join you in Karlsruhe. Cheers, Flo(scher) Am 03.09.2018 um 22:36 schrieb Vincent Privat: Hello, I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between JOSM developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in person! As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty of them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) Cheers, Vincent
JOSM developers meetup at Karlsruhe?
Hello, I was thinking for quite some time about setting up a meeting between JOSM developers somewhere in Germany (for convenience). As Christine and Frederik are inviting OSM developers to Karlsruhe on October 20th-21st, I just registered myself! Would other team members be interested? I'd love to meet everyone in person! As for JOSM projects/activities for this hack week-end, there are plenty of them to work on, it will depend on who's there :) Cheers, Vincent
