[jug-discussion] C# and Java Comparison?
Hey there - Fawcette just spammed me with an invite to get a free year of Visual Studio Developer. Sure. Why not. They also forced me to tell them which VS technology I use... so I picked C# for grins mostly. But just yesterday I noticed that www.codenotes.com converted from J2EE to .NET, and I must admit that C# does look somewhat interesting. I did a quick search to see if there are any non-MS IDE's for C#. Conversion article on Servlets to C# HttpHandlers - http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/using/migrating/jspmig/phase1/default. aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/aspnet-jspmig-JavaServlets.asp) I found two IDE mentions quickly: SharpDeveloper and Eclipse. #develop (short for SharpDevelop) is a free IDE for C# and VB.NET projects on Microsoft's .NET platform. It is open-source (GPL), and you can download both sourcecode and executables from this site. http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/ The Eclipse mention said there is a plugin, but that it might not be all that robust yet. http://www.improve-technologies.com/alpha/esharp/ -- I'm wondering if anybody on the list has played with and/or uses C# daily and might admit it? grin Meeting Topic wise - I'd be truly interested in seeing/creating/helping with a preso that does a comparison of java and .NET stuff using C#. Anybody else care to know what the Dark Side is doing these days? (If you can push your bias aside, one must admit MS does have some awfully bright people, and they are a big[ger than Java] portion of our industry, and occasionally come up with some slick stuff.) Cheers, Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] C# and Java Comparison?
We did this presentation recently up here at the PHX jug and it was really a great discussion. The gist was that the two technologies or languages when compared are VERY similar. The core advantages of .NET, being it's integrated nature to the MS platform. The core disadvantages of .NET being it's integrated nature to the MS platform. ;) Java seems to be a little more robust in the scope and variety of packages available. .NET and the integrated MS dev environment maybe a little quicker and easier to build hello world in. I will try and dig up the presentation if we still have it. I thought it was on the website, which it does not appear to be. -Todd President PHXJUG.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[jug-discussion] Jar slimming tools?
Hey, I rememeber a discussion on this list about tools for JAR slimming: ditching all the classes in a JAR than can be proved by static analysis to be unused by your code. Does anyone else remember this and can they tell me what the tools were that accomplished this feat? Cheers, Nick - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Jar slimming tools?
On Feb 25, 2004, at 5:15 PM, Lesiecki Nicholas wrote: Hey, I rememeber a discussion on this list about tools for JAR slimming: ditching all the classes in a JAR than can be proved by static analysis to be unused by your code. Does anyone else remember this and can they tell me what the tools were that accomplished this feat? Ant's own classfileset can do this using BCEL: http://ant.apache.org/manual/OptionalTypes/classfileset.html And so does GenJar: http://genjar.sourceforge.net/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[jug-discussion] Show your support. :-)
Hey gang - I love seeing new people come to the meetings. It broadens the knowledge base, expands the range of experience, and improves the chances for interesting topics and discussion. And more participation leads to paradoxically to more participation. So please do a little thing to help combat the empty restaurant syndrome. You know what I mean, most folks will pick the half-full restaurant over the empty one. ;-) Go to the Sun JUG list and sign up as a TJUG member. (FYI - I've been signed up for a while, and haven't noticed any extra spam from Sun.) http://servlet.java.sun.com/jugs/north_america/usa/Arizona/tucson/10528. jsp Cheers, Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March?
Simon / Warner - I'm just curious if there is a topic(s) for March yet? If not - then I'm going to ask Drew, real nice-like, if he'd consider giving an OGNL preso. :-) Cheers, Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Jar slimming tools?
Nick - I rememeber a discussion on this list about tools for JAR slimming: ditching all the classes in a JAR than can be proved by static analysis to be unused by your code. I wasn't around for that discussion (or I claim ignorance)... but it's an interesting idea. Due to reflection, wouldn't it be fraught with peril? Found an ACM article on the topic, authors wrote a tool called JAX: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=586090dl=ACMcoll=portal Full text of the article requires registration by an ACM or SIG member... something I'm not. Found what might be a preso based on that article: http://william.cswiz.org/present/20030122/extraction.ppt Found another preso that talks of the inherent peril of static analysis, mentions MEL and JAX: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/fse8/presentations/Sweeney.pdf Found a link to JAX on IBM alphaWorks that says it's graduated which means it got a new name SmartLinker and was embedded into the WSDD (WebSphere Studio Device Developer). Say - Speaking of peril... how is the dropped Powerbook doing?? Cheers, Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March?
Yes, Cia and I will be doing Usability and Programming (focusing on Web and desktop apps). Rob Gingell (I believe) is singed on to do an update on the JCP. -warner On Feb 25, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Tim Colson wrote: Simon / Warner - I'm just curious if there is a topic(s) for March yet? If not - then I'm going to ask Drew, real nice-like, if he'd consider giving an OGNL preso. :-) Cheers, Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March?
I am up for OGNL too +1 I would also like to volunteer to do a mini on Jakarta Slide. :-) -Original Message- From: Tim Colson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:22:44 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March? Simon / Warner - I'm just curious if there is a topic(s) for March yet? If not - then I'm going to ask Drew, real nice-like, if he'd consider giving an OGNL preso. :-) Cheers, Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent using my BlackBerry 6510 from Nextel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March?
Simon, are you writing these names down? ;-) -warner On Feb 25, 2004, at 4:31 PM, Ollie wrote: I am up for OGNL too +1 I would also like to volunteer to do a mini on Jakarta Slide. :-) -Original Message- From: Tim Colson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:22:44 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March? Simon / Warner - I'm just curious if there is a topic(s) for March yet? If not - then I'm going to ask Drew, real nice-like, if he'd consider giving an OGNL preso. :-) Cheers, Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent using my BlackBerry 6510 from Nextel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March?
Yes, Cia and I will be doing Usability and Programming (focusing on Web and desktop apps). Rob Gingell (I believe) is singed on to do an update on the JCP. Good God Man! That's fantastic. :-) Rob Gingell singing.. that'd be fun too. grin So, howabout getting this Next Meeting - March 9 - topics - foo up on the website! :-) Cheers, Timo P.S. Does anybody know of any Java user groups at the U of A? Email address? There must be a place we could post some fliers in computer labs to let folks know about the meetings? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Show your support. :-)
Tim Colson wrote: Go to the Sun JUG list and sign up as a TJUG member. (FYI - I've been signed up for a while, and haven't noticed any extra spam from Sun.) http://servlet.java.sun.com/jugs/north_america/usa/Arizona/tucson/10528. jsp Lovely. I just signed up. What's with the other JUG? Tucson JUG - T-JUGPosted on Thursday, Mar 13 2003 JohnKroubalkian and DeniseCross are the contacts. Anyone know them? - Drew -- +-+ Drew Davidson | OGNL Technology Professional Open Source +-+ | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / |Web: http://www.ognl.org / |Vox: (520) 531-1966 |Fax: (520) 531-1965\ | Mobile: (520) 405-2967 \ +-+
Re: [jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March?
Ollie wrote: I am up for OGNL too +1 If you want me for a mini-topic for March I can do a quick overview of the brand new OGNL 3. Now with SuperFastExpressions(tm) using Javassist code generation, and an actual Architecture (tm). I can also do a full topic in April if you want, also on OGNL. As you can imagine I can talk for as long as you are capable of sitting still. - Drew -- +-+ Drew Davidson | OGNL Technology Professional Open Source +-+ | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / |Web: http://www.ognl.org / |Vox: (520) 531-1966 |Fax: (520) 531-1965\ | Mobile: (520) 405-2967 \ +-+ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March?
Hey, I'd love to see that. -tom At 04:22 PM 2/25/2004, you wrote: Simon / Warner - I'm just curious if there is a topic(s) for March yet? If not - then I'm going to ask Drew, real nice-like, if he'd consider giving an OGNL preso. :-) Cheers, Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Show your support. :-)
Wow. Weird. He was at the first couple of meetings and then, like a few of the early attendees, stopped coming. -warner On Feb 25, 2004, at 7:47 PM, Thomas Hicks wrote: At 06:43 PM 2/25/2004, Drew wrote: Lovely. I just signed up. What's with the other JUG? Tucson JUG - T-JUG Posted on Thursday, Mar 13 2003 http://servlet.java.sun.com/logRedirect/jugs/mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]John Kroubalkian and http://servlet.java.sun.com/logRedirect/jugs/mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Denise Cross are the contacts. Anyone know them? This John guy has a website at: http://www.kroubalkian.com/index.html complete with a link to a TJUG (not ours!). I wonder if this is just really out of date? -tom - Drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March?
Drew, I think we have March all organized for speakers. As Warner mentioned, Rob Gingel will be doing the 15min topic on the latest hapennings with the JCP and Warner/Cia will be doing their Usability presentation. April is available, though. And since there seems to be plenty of interest, consider yourself signed up. Now if we can just find a speaker for the April 15min time slot Simon. Drew Davidson wrote: Ollie wrote: I am up for OGNL too +1 If you want me for a mini-topic for March I can do a quick overview of the brand new OGNL 3. Now with SuperFastExpressions(tm) using Javassist code generation, and an actual Architecture (tm). I can also do a full topic in April if you want, also on OGNL. As you can imagine I can talk for as long as you are capable of sitting still. - Drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March?
I would ike to do Jakarta slide for April mini -Original Message- From: Simon Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:43:50 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Meeting Topic for March? Drew, I think we have March all organized for speakers. As Warner mentioned, Rob Gingel will be doing the 15min topic on the latest hapennings with the JCP and Warner/Cia will be doing their Usability presentation. April is available, though. And since there seems to be plenty of interest, consider yourself signed up. Now if we can just find a speaker for the April 15min time slot Simon. Drew Davidson wrote: Ollie wrote: I am up for OGNL too +1 If you want me for a mini-topic for March I can do a quick overview of the brand new OGNL 3. Now with SuperFastExpressions(tm) using Javassist code generation, and an actual Architecture (tm). I can also do a full topic in April if you want, also on OGNL. As you can imagine I can talk for as long as you are capable of sitting still. - Drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent using my BlackBerry 6510 from Nextel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
