Re: [julia-users] Re: Azure: Which VM?

[Tony Kelman]

Done (well, proposed) in https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/pull/12215


On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 1:26:55 PM UTC-7, Tony Kelman wrote:
>
> I don't see why not. I added a template to the Example.jl package that 
> could pretty easily be created automatically during Pkg.generate as well.
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-4, David Anthoff wrote:
>>
>> Maybe one thing that would help on the package ecosystem side is to add 
>> an appveyor.yml file in addition to a .travis.yml file to the template 
>> generated by Pkg.generate?
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* julia...@googlegroups.com [mailto:julia...@googlegroups.com] *On 
>> Behalf Of *Tony Kelman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 6:49 PM
>> *To:* julia...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [julia-users] Re: Azure: Which VM?
>>
>>  
>>
>> If you're comfortable using Linux and have a choice in the matter, I 
>> would recommend avoiding using Julia on Windows if you can, especially for 
>> production purposes. Jameson, Isaiah, myself and others have put in a lot 
>> of effort to try to make things work, but there remains a lot of work to do 
>> across the package ecosystem (which was the point behind my JuliaCon talk), 
>> and there are a number of persistent bugs and usability issues that remain 
>> unsolved for a variety of reasons.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 at 2:07:16 AM UTC-7, Eric Forgy wrote:
>>
>> I am about to do some experiments running Julia from an Azure VM. The 
>> first decision to make is "Which VM?" Azure has a "Quick Create" option for 
>> creating VM's and the options are:
>>
>> · Windows Server
>>
>>- Ubuntu Server
>>
>> · OpenLogic
>>
>>- Oracle Linux
>>
>> · CoreOS
>>
>>- SUSE Linux Enterprise Server
>>
>> I presume Azure has a good reason to shortlist these VM's (and shortlist 
>> them in that order) so unless there is a good reason to deviate, I'll 
>> probably choose one of the above.
>>
>>  
>>
>> If I look at the Julia downloads <http://julialang.org/downloads/> page, 
>> I see the following selections:
>>
>> · Windows
>>
>>- Mac OS X
>>
>> · Ubuntu
>>
>>- Fedora/RHEL/CentOS/SL
>>
>> · Generic Linux
>>
>> I presume you guys have a good reason to shortlist these OSs (but not 
>> sure if the order is significant). I am agnostic about which OS to use, but 
>> I prefer to use one that has the best Julia support and will cause the 
>> least headaches, which presumably might be related to the OS most Julia 
>> developers are using.
>>
>>  
>>
>> If I could, I would probably prefer to run Julia on a Windows VM, but I 
>> get the impression Windows has the fewest Julia developers working on it 
>> (see Stephen's comment here 
>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/julia-users/zgoqVYyPaIk/lfRmeROpI7YJ>)
>>  
>> so I predict there to be some pain points. Is that impression misguided? 
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>  
>>
>> If not Windows, comparing the above two lists, I'd be inclined to 
>> consider using Ubuntu.
>>
>>  
>>
>> My use case is ultimately going to be distributed computing in the cloud 
>> (Azure) driven by a web app (ASP.NET MVC) with communication via REST 
>> and/or ZMQ.
>>
>>  
>>
>> In a nutshell:
>>
>> 1.  I have a slight preference for a Windows VM, but could be 
>> dissuaded if there is some pain to be expected. Is there?
>>
>> 2.  If not Windows, it seems Ubuntu VM is the next likely candidate 
>> with apparently solid support in the Julia community. Is that true?
>>
>> 3.  Any other recommendation better than the above two?
>>
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>>

Re: [julia-users] Re: Azure: Which VM?

[Simon Byrne]

Also, if you want to test on Windows, Microsoft have some prebuilt VM 
images available:
http://dev.modern.ie/tools/vms/#downloads
They don't come with a licence, so expire after 90 days, but they're quite 
handy for testing and debugging packages.

On Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:26:55 UTC+1, Tony Kelman wrote:
>
> I don't see why not. I added a template to the Example.jl package that 
> could pretty easily be created automatically during Pkg.generate as well.
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-4, David Anthoff wrote:
>>
>> Maybe one thing that would help on the package ecosystem side is to add 
>> an appveyor.yml file in addition to a .travis.yml file to the template 
>> generated by Pkg.generate?
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* julia...@googlegroups.com [mailto:julia...@googlegroups.com] *On 
>> Behalf Of *Tony Kelman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 6:49 PM
>> *To:* julia...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [julia-users] Re: Azure: Which VM?
>>
>>  
>>
>> If you're comfortable using Linux and have a choice in the matter, I 
>> would recommend avoiding using Julia on Windows if you can, especially for 
>> production purposes. Jameson, Isaiah, myself and others have put in a lot 
>> of effort to try to make things work, but there remains a lot of work to do 
>> across the package ecosystem (which was the point behind my JuliaCon talk), 
>> and there are a number of persistent bugs and usability issues that remain 
>> unsolved for a variety of reasons.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 at 2:07:16 AM UTC-7, Eric Forgy wrote:
>>
>> I am about to do some experiments running Julia from an Azure VM. The 
>> first decision to make is "Which VM?" Azure has a "Quick Create" option for 
>> creating VM's and the options are:
>>
>> · Windows Server
>>
>>- Ubuntu Server
>>
>> · OpenLogic
>>
>>- Oracle Linux
>>
>> · CoreOS
>>
>>- SUSE Linux Enterprise Server
>>
>> I presume Azure has a good reason to shortlist these VM's (and shortlist 
>> them in that order) so unless there is a good reason to deviate, I'll 
>> probably choose one of the above.
>>
>>  
>>
>> If I look at the Julia downloads <http://julialang.org/downloads/> page, 
>> I see the following selections:
>>
>> · Windows
>>
>>- Mac OS X
>>
>> · Ubuntu
>>
>>- Fedora/RHEL/CentOS/SL
>>
>> · Generic Linux
>>
>> I presume you guys have a good reason to shortlist these OSs (but not 
>> sure if the order is significant). I am agnostic about which OS to use, but 
>> I prefer to use one that has the best Julia support and will cause the 
>> least headaches, which presumably might be related to the OS most Julia 
>> developers are using.
>>
>>  
>>
>> If I could, I would probably prefer to run Julia on a Windows VM, but I 
>> get the impression Windows has the fewest Julia developers working on it 
>> (see Stephen's comment here 
>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/julia-users/zgoqVYyPaIk/lfRmeROpI7YJ>)
>>  
>> so I predict there to be some pain points. Is that impression misguided? 
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>  
>>
>> If not Windows, comparing the above two lists, I'd be inclined to 
>> consider using Ubuntu.
>>
>>  
>>
>> My use case is ultimately going to be distributed computing in the cloud 
>> (Azure) driven by a web app (ASP.NET MVC) with communication via REST 
>> and/or ZMQ.
>>
>>  
>>
>> In a nutshell:
>>
>> 1.  I have a slight preference for a Windows VM, but could be 
>> dissuaded if there is some pain to be expected. Is there?
>>
>> 2.  If not Windows, it seems Ubuntu VM is the next likely candidate 
>> with apparently solid support in the Julia community. Is that true?
>>
>> 3.  Any other recommendation better than the above two?
>>
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>>

Re: [julia-users] Re: Azure: Which VM?

[Tony Kelman]

I don't see why not. I added a template to the Example.jl package that 
could pretty easily be created automatically during Pkg.generate as well.


On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-4, David Anthoff wrote:
>
> Maybe one thing that would help on the package ecosystem side is to add an 
> appveyor.yml file in addition to a .travis.yml file to the template 
> generated by Pkg.generate?
>
>  
>
> *From:* julia...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> julia...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Tony Kelman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 6:49 PM
> *To:* julia...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [julia-users] Re: Azure: Which VM?
>
>  
>
> If you're comfortable using Linux and have a choice in the matter, I would 
> recommend avoiding using Julia on Windows if you can, especially for 
> production purposes. Jameson, Isaiah, myself and others have put in a lot 
> of effort to try to make things work, but there remains a lot of work to do 
> across the package ecosystem (which was the point behind my JuliaCon talk), 
> and there are a number of persistent bugs and usability issues that remain 
> unsolved for a variety of reasons.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 at 2:07:16 AM UTC-7, Eric Forgy wrote:
>
> I am about to do some experiments running Julia from an Azure VM. The 
> first decision to make is "Which VM?" Azure has a "Quick Create" option for 
> creating VM's and the options are:
>
> · Windows Server
>
>- Ubuntu Server
>
> · OpenLogic
>
>- Oracle Linux
>
> · CoreOS
>
>- SUSE Linux Enterprise Server
>
> I presume Azure has a good reason to shortlist these VM's (and shortlist 
> them in that order) so unless there is a good reason to deviate, I'll 
> probably choose one of the above.
>
>  
>
> If I look at the Julia downloads <http://julialang.org/downloads/> page, 
> I see the following selections:
>
> · Windows
>
>- Mac OS X
>
> · Ubuntu
>
>- Fedora/RHEL/CentOS/SL
>
> · Generic Linux
>
> I presume you guys have a good reason to shortlist these OSs (but not sure 
> if the order is significant). I am agnostic about which OS to use, but I 
> prefer to use one that has the best Julia support and will cause the least 
> headaches, which presumably might be related to the OS most Julia 
> developers are using.
>
>  
>
> If I could, I would probably prefer to run Julia on a Windows VM, but I 
> get the impression Windows has the fewest Julia developers working on it 
> (see Stephen's comment here 
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/julia-users/zgoqVYyPaIk/lfRmeROpI7YJ>) 
> so I predict there to be some pain points. Is that impression misguided? 
> Any thoughts?
>
>  
>
> If not Windows, comparing the above two lists, I'd be inclined to consider 
> using Ubuntu.
>
>  
>
> My use case is ultimately going to be distributed computing in the cloud 
> (Azure) driven by a web app (ASP.NET MVC) with communication via REST 
> and/or ZMQ.
>
>  
>
> In a nutshell:
>
> 1.  I have a slight preference for a Windows VM, but could be 
> dissuaded if there is some pain to be expected. Is there?
>
> 2.  If not Windows, it seems Ubuntu VM is the next likely candidate 
> with apparently solid support in the Julia community. Is that true?
>
> 3.  Any other recommendation better than the above two?
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
>

RE: [julia-users] Re: Azure: Which VM?

[David Anthoff]

Maybe one thing that would help on the package ecosystem side is to add an 
appveyor.yml file in addition to a .travis.yml file to the template generated 
by Pkg.generate?

 

From: julia-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:julia-users@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony Kelman
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 6:49 PM
To: julia-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: [julia-users] Re: Azure: Which VM?

 

If you're comfortable using Linux and have a choice in the matter, I would 
recommend avoiding using Julia on Windows if you can, especially for production 
purposes. Jameson, Isaiah, myself and others have put in a lot of effort to try 
to make things work, but there remains a lot of work to do across the package 
ecosystem (which was the point behind my JuliaCon talk), and there are a number 
of persistent bugs and usability issues that remain unsolved for a variety of 
reasons.



On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 at 2:07:16 AM UTC-7, Eric Forgy wrote:

I am about to do some experiments running Julia from an Azure VM. The first 
decision to make is "Which VM?" Azure has a "Quick Create" option for creating 
VM's and the options are:

* Windows Server

*   Ubuntu Server

* OpenLogic

*   Oracle Linux

* CoreOS

*   SUSE Linux Enterprise Server

I presume Azure has a good reason to shortlist these VM's (and shortlist them 
in that order) so unless there is a good reason to deviate, I'll probably 
choose one of the above.

 

If I look at the Julia downloads <http://julialang.org/downloads/>  page, I see 
the following selections:

* Windows

*   Mac OS X

* Ubuntu

*   Fedora/RHEL/CentOS/SL

* Generic Linux

I presume you guys have a good reason to shortlist these OSs (but not sure if 
the order is significant). I am agnostic about which OS to use, but I prefer to 
use one that has the best Julia support and will cause the least headaches, 
which presumably might be related to the OS most Julia developers are using.

 

If I could, I would probably prefer to run Julia on a Windows VM, but I get the 
impression Windows has the fewest Julia developers working on it (see Stephen's 
comment here 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/julia-users/zgoqVYyPaIk/lfRmeROpI7YJ> ) 
so I predict there to be some pain points. Is that impression misguided? Any 
thoughts?

 

If not Windows, comparing the above two lists, I'd be inclined to consider 
using Ubuntu.

 

My use case is ultimately going to be distributed computing in the cloud 
(Azure) driven by a web app (ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET>  MVC) with communication 
via REST and/or ZMQ.

 

In a nutshell:

1.  I have a slight preference for a Windows VM, but could be dissuaded if 
there is some pain to be expected. Is there?

2.  If not Windows, it seems Ubuntu VM is the next likely candidate with 
apparently solid support in the Julia community. Is that true?

3.  Any other recommendation better than the above two?

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!

[julia-users] Re: Azure: Which VM?

[Tony Kelman]

If you're comfortable using Linux and have a choice in the matter, I would 
recommend avoiding using Julia on Windows if you can, especially for 
production purposes. Jameson, Isaiah, myself and others have put in a lot 
of effort to try to make things work, but there remains a lot of work to do 
across the package ecosystem (which was the point behind my JuliaCon talk), 
and there are a number of persistent bugs and usability issues that remain 
unsolved for a variety of reasons.


On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 at 2:07:16 AM UTC-7, Eric Forgy wrote:
>
> I am about to do some experiments running Julia from an Azure VM. The 
> first decision to make is "Which VM?" Azure has a "Quick Create" option for 
> creating VM's and the options are:
>
>- Windows Server
>- Ubuntu Server
>- OpenLogic
>- Oracle Linux
>- CoreOS
>- SUSE Linux Enterprise Server
>
> I presume Azure has a good reason to shortlist these VM's (and shortlist 
> them in that order) so unless there is a good reason to deviate, I'll 
> probably choose one of the above.
>
> If I look at the Julia downloads  page, 
> I see the following selections:
>
>- Windows
>- Mac OS X
>- Ubuntu
>- Fedora/RHEL/CentOS/SL
>- Generic Linux
>
> I presume you guys have a good reason to shortlist these OSs (but not sure 
> if the order is significant). I am agnostic about which OS to use, but I 
> prefer to use one that has the best Julia support and will cause the least 
> headaches, which presumably might be related to the OS most Julia 
> developers are using.
>
> If I could, I would probably prefer to run Julia on a Windows VM, but I 
> get the impression Windows has the fewest Julia developers working on it 
> (see Stephen's comment here 
> ) 
> so I predict there to be some pain points. Is that impression misguided? 
> Any thoughts?
>
> If not Windows, comparing the above two lists, I'd be inclined to consider 
> using Ubuntu.
>
> My use case is ultimately going to be distributed computing in the cloud 
> (Azure) driven by a web app (ASP.NET MVC) with communication via REST 
> and/or ZMQ.
>
> In a nutshell:
>
>1. I have a slight preference for a Windows VM, but could be dissuaded 
>if there is some pain to be expected. Is there?
>2. If not Windows, it seems Ubuntu VM is the next likely candidate 
>with apparently solid support in the Julia community. Is that true?
>3. Any other recommendation better than the above two?
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!
>

[julia-users] Re: Azure: Which VM?

[Avik Sengupta]

I've installed Julia on both windows and ubuntu servers on Azure. 

Ubuntu and RHEL/Fedora have good support for Julia only because Elliot and 
Milan have put in significant effort in supporting them. ie, the reason for 
shortlisting these OSs is that people have done the work, rather than any 
technical shortcomings in either Julia or the OS. The Generic linux 
binaries work reasonably well on other modern OSs, but if you, have issues 
on an esoteric distribution, you are less likely to get answers on this 
list. 

On windows,  there is some pain to be had, but it is surmountable if you 
are an experienced windows sysadmin. There is a large amount of pain in 
building Julia on windows, but if you are only downloading and running the 
binary install for 0.3, all that pain has been absorbed by 
Jameson/Tony/Elliot et al.

Some Julia package also have native dependencies. Most have good windows 
support, but you may want to check for the packages you may want to use. 
ZMQ in particular is well supported on windows. 

So in summary, use windows if you are experienced running Windows servers 
in production. Otherwise, use ubuntu.

Regards
-
Avik 

On Tuesday, 14 July 2015 10:07:16 UTC+1, Eric Forgy wrote:
>
> I am about to do some experiments running Julia from an Azure VM. The 
> first decision to make is "Which VM?" Azure has a "Quick Create" option for 
> creating VM's and the options are:
>
>- Windows Server
>- Ubuntu Server
>- OpenLogic
>- Oracle Linux
>- CoreOS
>- SUSE Linux Enterprise Server
>
> I presume Azure has a good reason to shortlist these VM's (and shortlist 
> them in that order) so unless there is a good reason to deviate, I'll 
> probably choose one of the above.
>
> If I look at the Julia downloads  page, 
> I see the following selections:
>
>- Windows
>- Mac OS X
>- Ubuntu
>- Fedora/RHEL/CentOS/SL
>- Generic Linux
>
> I presume you guys have a good reason to shortlist these OSs (but not sure 
> if the order is significant). I am agnostic about which OS to use, but I 
> prefer to use one that has the best Julia support and will cause the least 
> headaches, which presumably might be related to the OS most Julia 
> developers are using.
>
> If I could, I would probably prefer to run Julia on a Windows VM, but I 
> get the impression Windows has the fewest Julia developers working on it 
> (see Stephen's comment here 
> ) 
> so I predict there to be some pain points. Is that impression misguided? 
> Any thoughts?
>
> If not Windows, comparing the above two lists, I'd be inclined to consider 
> using Ubuntu.
>
> My use case is ultimately going to be distributed computing in the cloud 
> (Azure) driven by a web app (ASP.NET MVC) with communication via REST 
> and/or ZMQ.
>
> In a nutshell:
>
>1. I have a slight preference for a Windows VM, but could be dissuaded 
>if there is some pain to be expected. Is there?
>2. If not Windows, it seems Ubuntu VM is the next likely candidate 
>with apparently solid support in the Julia community. Is that true?
>3. Any other recommendation better than the above two?
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!
>