Re: [j-nsp] [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement???
How much is buzz worth? About the same as YouTube views. (In South Park speak, theoretical dollars). If you can't convert *positive* buzz into revenue, your marketing efforts will serve as nothing more than brand awareness campaigns. By this point in the conversation, it should be obvious the buzz is turning negative: a) overtones of disinterest due to dubious marketing, b) people biting the bait on what seems to be a month long viral campaign that *still* has 15 more days to go before phase 2, c) conversation shift from the mystery product, to debating whether the marketing works -- and we still don't know what's being marketed other than common sense (You hate vendor lock-in, I hate vendor lock-in, let's be friends) For as to who... As far as the campaign, any large, established networking vendor, would need to undertake a dramatic shift in culture to promote a dual-vendor strategy for customers to undertake while not angering their shareholders, and I can't see that happening. (Cisco: haha, no; Foundry/Brocade: too busy looking for a buyer of *existing assets* to risk a large change in direction; Extreme: what?) Next up are smaller networking vendors, who would benefit from a dual-vendor strategy, because they're probably not in the door of large enterprise/service provider networks to begin with. For them, I'd imagine vendor lock-in is the holy grail, and an open strategy only works enough to get them in the door, but shoots them in the foot because it makes them more vulnerable to smaller, agile networking startups and migration utilities from larger vendors (for the telecom heads amongst you, think about CLEC in-fighting). This leaves a network management software vendor. They would certain profit from an open standard, which allows them access to manage formerly proprietary networks, and manage different vendors' equipment. The hurdle is to get manufacturers to adopt this standard... how do you do this cheaply, other than work the end-user up into a frenzy? So, what network management startup do we know, that's based out of Texas? For some more fun: $ curl http://networkliberationmovement.net/wp-content/themes/nlm-micro/style.css /* Theme Name: Network Liberation Movement Description: Microsite Version: 1.0 Author: Michael Gilbert for RAPP Author URI: http://www.rapp.com/ */ oo On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:13 PM, christian koch c...@sandcastl.es wrote: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 15:15, christian koch c...@sandcastl.es wrote: looks as if its working based on the activity in this thread... I think someone has to actually buy something, because of the chatter, for it to be working... what if there is nothing to buy? its clearly not a direct marketing initiative, they're trying to create some interest as to what this movement is going to be about my point is that it is successful because they are getting a response, people are talking about it, the initial poster alone exposed the site, which caused feedback... and is creating a buzz, that is the point...IMO -christian ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement???
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Omachonu Ogali oog...@gmail.com wrote: How much is buzz worth? About the same as YouTube views. (In South Park speak, theoretical dollars). If you can't convert *positive* buzz into revenue, your marketing efforts will serve as nothing more than brand awareness campaigns. By this point in the conversation, it should be obvious the buzz is turning negative: a) overtones of disinterest due to dubious marketing, b) people biting the bait on what seems to be a month long viral campaign that *still* has 15 more days to go before phase 2, c) conversation shift from the mystery product, to debating whether the marketing works -- and we still don't know what's being marketed other than common sense (You hate vendor lock-in, I hate vendor lock-in, let's be friends) well said, and agreed -ck ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement???
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 15:15, christian koch c...@sandcastl.es wrote: looks as if its working based on the activity in this thread... I think someone has to actually buy something, because of the chatter, for it to be working... ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp -- @ChrisGrundemann weblog.chrisgrundemann.com www.burningwiththebush.com www.coisoc.org ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement???
Only an idiot will make an important announcement on a Saturday. -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp- boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Matlock, Kenneth L Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 1:15 PM To: Drew Weaver; Derick Winkworth; Cisco NSP; juniper- n...@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement??? Gibberish, and marketing speak. My guess is a linux-based 'router' they're trying to sell to unsuspecting mom-and-pop businesses. Ken Matlock Network Analyst Exempla Healthcare (303) 467-4671 matlo...@exempla.org -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Drew Weaver Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:38 AM To: 'Derick Winkworth'; Cisco NSP; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement??? Just looks like a bunch of gibberish to me. -Drew -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Derick Winkworth Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:23 AM To: Cisco NSP; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement??? http://networkliberationmovement.net/ 15 hours some big announcement? Anyone know what this is? ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-...@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-...@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-...@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement???
It's a marketing campaign. A so-called viral campaign (according to their blog -- http://opinion.rapp.com/). The IP is hosted by Rapp Collins Worldwide, who's a marketing firm. Don't know the actual client is. oo On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Drew Weaver drew.wea...@thenap.com wrote: On Halloween, no less. My first thought was we're all going to be spammed by network resalers in the next few days when I looked at that, but I then just thought wow this is incomprehensible jibberish. -Drew -Original Message- From: Lynch, Tomas [mailto:tomas.ly...@globalcrossing.com] Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:20 PM To: Matlock, Kenneth L; Drew Weaver; Derick Winkworth; Cisco NSP; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: RE: [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement??? Only an idiot will make an important announcement on a Saturday. -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp- boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Matlock, Kenneth L Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 1:15 PM To: Drew Weaver; Derick Winkworth; Cisco NSP; juniper- n...@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement??? Gibberish, and marketing speak. My guess is a linux-based 'router' they're trying to sell to unsuspecting mom-and-pop businesses. Ken Matlock Network Analyst Exempla Healthcare (303) 467-4671 matlo...@exempla.org -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Drew Weaver Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:38 AM To: 'Derick Winkworth'; Cisco NSP; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement??? Just looks like a bunch of gibberish to me. -Drew -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Derick Winkworth Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:23 AM To: Cisco NSP; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement??? http://networkliberationmovement.net/ 15 hours some big announcement? Anyone know what this is? ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-...@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-...@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-...@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-...@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement???
As long as they don't attempt to Liberate my Network =P Regards, - Chris. On 2009-10-30, at 12:19 PM, Lynch, Tomas wrote: Only an idiot will make an important announcement on a Saturday. -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp- boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Matlock, Kenneth L Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 1:15 PM To: Drew Weaver; Derick Winkworth; Cisco NSP; juniper- n...@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement??? Gibberish, and marketing speak. My guess is a linux-based 'router' they're trying to sell to unsuspecting mom-and-pop businesses. Ken Matlock Network Analyst Exempla Healthcare (303) 467-4671 matlo...@exempla.org -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Drew Weaver Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:38 AM To: 'Derick Winkworth'; Cisco NSP; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement??? Just looks like a bunch of gibberish to me. -Drew -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Derick Winkworth Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:23 AM To: Cisco NSP; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement??? http://networkliberationmovement.net/ 15 hours some big announcement? Anyone know what this is? ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] [c-nsp] Network Liberation Movement???
looks as if its working based on the activity in this thread... ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
