Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
* Patrik Olsson: You can turn off the netscreen flow style of forwarding and fall back to packet based forwarding in J series and SRX for that matter. But still, the perfomance number stays the same even if you keep the flow based forwarding instead och packet based. It seems that this is (a) un(der)documented and (b) results in strange stability issues. The box turns unresponsive during commits and eventually hangs (with just one BGP feed and 1 GB RAM). -- Florian Weimerfwei...@bfk.de BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
I saw the same thing in my testing. It's a memory issue. I upgraded to a fully loaded J4350 and everything is running great. Thanks, Joe -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Florian Weimer Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:31 AM To: Patrik Olsson Cc: juniper-nsp Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router * Patrik Olsson: You can turn off the netscreen flow style of forwarding and fall back to packet based forwarding in J series and SRX for that matter. But still, the perfomance number stays the same even if you keep the flow based forwarding instead och packet based. It seems that this is (a) un(der)documented and (b) results in strange stability issues. The box turns unresponsive during commits and eventually hangs (with just one BGP feed and 1 GB RAM). -- Florian Weimerfwei...@bfk.de BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
[j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
Hi! I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small packets. I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM. I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists. Can the J2320 handle this? -- Morten Isaksen ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
No... I looked at the same thing. Going by the specs (unless I'm misunderstanding) with 1 Gig RAM it's limited to 400k BGP routes... I really hope someone could prove me wrong ;) The 6350 handles 1000k BGP routes with 2 Gig RAM just getting ready to order one of them for the same purpose and traffic levels you have in mind (for a customer site) Paul -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Morten Isaksen Sent: February-18-10 4:37 AM To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router Hi! I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small packets. I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM. I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists. Can the J2320 handle this? -- Morten Isaksen ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
As far as I am told it is 2 Gig now. Juniper has just not updated the spec on the web. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: BTW - the max memory in a J2320 is 1 Gig..;) -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Morten Isaksen Sent: February-18-10 4:37 AM To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router Hi! I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small packets. I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM. I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists. Can the J2320 handle this? -- Morten Isaksen ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp -- Morten Isaksen ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
Hi! I'd say the 200 Mbps wont work... J2320 is 100 Mbps around... and I think that is iMix, not small packets. I think you need a J4350. I run a J2320 myself as an BGP Internet router for a webhotel. I can handle upto 100 Mbps traffic with no problem. I also potentially have room for another full feed in the RAM. Patrik Morten Isaksen wrote: Hi! I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small packets. I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM. I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists. Can the J2320 handle this? -- //Patrik Webkom http://www.webkom.se +46 (0)709 35 22 99 +46 (0)8 559 26 488 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
* Patrik Olsson: I'd say the 200 Mbps wont work... J2320 is 100 Mbps around... and I think that is iMix, not small packets. I think you need a J4350. It seems J-series has been repositioned as a NetScreen-like security appliance (which is also reflected in configuration defaults). Does it still make sense to use them for new deployments as ordinary routers? -- Florian Weimerfwei...@bfk.de BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
If you didn't need full routes you could go with the EX series for pretty cheap. Dan Farrell Applied Innovations Corp. da...@appliedi.net -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Morten Isaksen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:37 AM To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router Hi! I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small packets. I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM. I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists. Can the J2320 handle this? -- Morten Isaksen ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4876 (20100218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4876 (20100218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
Yes, but he's stated two transits so presumed that meant full tables X 2 .. We're ordering a J6350 for this purpose to be safe... we were told that we had to go J6350 to hold two full tables... -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Dan Farrell Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:30 AM To: Morten Isaksen; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router If you didn't need full routes you could go with the EX series for pretty cheap. Dan Farrell Applied Innovations Corp. da...@appliedi.net -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Morten Isaksen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:37 AM To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router Hi! I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small packets. I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM. I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists. Can the J2320 handle this? -- Morten Isaksen ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4876 (20100218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4876 (20100218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
Yes, if you only are announced a default route via BGP from two peers and use local preference to choose which one to use... you get away with a lot of ports in line rate capacity with an EX3200 at low price! But then,if you only need 200 Mbps, you could go for SRX210 or SRX240 w/advanced license for BGP. Cheaper than J series! Patrik Dan Farrell wrote: If you didn't need full routes you could go with the EX series for pretty cheap. Dan Farrell Applied Innovations Corp. da...@appliedi.net -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Morten Isaksen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:37 AM To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router Hi! I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small packets. I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM. I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists. Can the J2320 handle this? -- Morten Isaksen ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4876 (20100218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4876 (20100218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp -- //Patrik Webkom http://www.webkom.se +46 (0)709 35 22 99 +46 (0)8 559 26 488 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
I am in the middle of pilot with this very configuration, J2320 with 2 transits with full routes. The box with 1GB of RAM was not able to handle it. We started to get weird performance issues and some random crashing and hanging due to the lack of memory. We are now evaluating a J4350 and it seems to be working very well. I would be very interested though if the J2320 can take more than 1GB of RAM now. That would be news to me. Thanks, Joe -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Dan Farrell Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:30 AM To: Morten Isaksen; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router If you didn't need full routes you could go with the EX series for pretty cheap. Dan Farrell Applied Innovations Corp. da...@appliedi.net -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Morten Isaksen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:37 AM To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router Hi! I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small packets. I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM. I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists. Can the J2320 handle this? -- Morten Isaksen ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4876 (20100218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4876 (20100218) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
* TCIS List Acct But don't you need the advanced feature license to do BGP on the EX3200 series? That license adds thousands to the cost.. There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320. I'm not sure what exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license, though. Best regards, -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ Tel: +47 21 54 41 27 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
* Niels Raijer Correct, a J2320 can have 2 GB of RAM: Did you upgrade it to 2 GB yourself? If so, it would be great if you could share which RAM manufacturer and part number you used. The February price list says (like the web site) that the J2320-JH model ships with 1 GB of RAM. I can't see any 2 GB alternative either. Best regards, -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ Tel: +47 21 54 41 27 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
So then comes the question of support - will Juniper support you if it's non-standard? ;) I don't know ... just curious... Paul -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Tore Anderson Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:41 AM To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net Cc: Niels Raijer Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router * Niels Raijer Correct, a J2320 can have 2 GB of RAM: Did you upgrade it to 2 GB yourself? If so, it would be great if you could share which RAM manufacturer and part number you used. The February price list says (like the web site) that the J2320-JH model ships with 1 GB of RAM. I can't see any 2 GB alternative either. Best regards, -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ Tel: +47 21 54 41 27 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Tore Anderson tore.ander...@redpill-linpro.com wrote: * TCIS List Acct But don't you need the advanced feature license to do BGP on the EX3200 series? That license adds thousands to the cost.. There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320. I'm not sure what exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license, though. Route reflector support. -- Morten Isaksen ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
Op 18 feb 2010, om 16:40 heeft Tore Anderson het volgende geschreven: Correct, a J2320 can have 2 GB of RAM: Did you upgrade it to 2 GB yourself? If so, it would be great if you could share which RAM manufacturer and part number you used. Yes, we upgraded the RAM ourselves, for obvious reasons ;-) The web shop we ordered it from (a generic PC parts web shop) had the following description on the order: Product : Corsair Value Select - Memory - 512 MB - DIMM 184-pins - DDR - 400 MHz / PC3200 - CL2.5 - non-buffered - non-ECC Note that our network, although we have our own AS, we are a RIPE NCC member etc., is that of a hobby club -- we do not have an SLA to offer to our members. We have excellent experience with the J2320 used as full BGP routers with multiple transits but if you interpret any of my words as advice, please be sure to take into account that we do not run a commercial network on them. -- Niels Raijer ni...@fusix.nl http://fusix.nl ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous.. I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives? -Shane On 18/02/2010, at 11:28 PM, Tore Anderson wrote: * TCIS List Acct But don't you need the advanced feature license to do BGP on the EX3200 series? That license adds thousands to the cost.. There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320. I'm not sure what exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license, though. Best regards, -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ Tel: +47 21 54 41 27 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
* Shane Short: I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous.. I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives? As far as I can tell, everything you need to run a regular BGP router is there, even without the advanced BGP license. It's likely that you don't have to pay the additional licensing fee. -- Florian Weimerfwei...@bfk.de BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
On Thursday 18 February 2010 11:41:33 pm Shane Short wrote: I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous.. I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives? This is one of the reasons it's been easier to choose Cisco's 7201 for route reflector purposes. This feature comes stock in IOS, and we don't need to pay extra for it. Besides, IOS, in its madness, occupies a much smaller memory footprint on this 2GB DRAM unit. Having said that, due to the way Juniper implement EoMPLS l2vpn's (with a BGP control plane), having a J6350 is handy in a largely-Juniper network. Cheers, Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: * Shane Short: I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous.. I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives? As far as I can tell, everything you need to run a regular BGP router is there, even without the advanced BGP license. It's likely that you don't have to pay the additional licensing fee. I think you are correct. I believe the advanced BGP license is only needed if the router will be configured as a route reflector. --Stacy ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
As stated before, The Advanced BGP Licence is for Route-Reflector capability. The system does full i/eBGP out-of-the-box (normal JunOS). Also look at the SRX series - which are basically pumped up J's running the virtually same code. (and yes, you can kick an SRX into packet mode) - Chris. On 2010-02-18, at 8:41 AM, Shane Short wrote: I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous.. I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives? -Shane On 18/02/2010, at 11:28 PM, Tore Anderson wrote: * TCIS List Acct But don't you need the advanced feature license to do BGP on the EX3200 series? That license adds thousands to the cost.. There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320. I'm not sure what exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license, though. Best regards, -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ Tel: +47 21 54 41 27 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
The BGP License is for Route reflectors only. All other BGP functions work. I have 17 or so J2350's running BGP with no extra licensing. They are only peered with Internet2 (26,000 in RIB), so I can't comment on usability for multiple Internet peers. Jensen Tyler Network Engineer Fiberutilities Group, LLC -Original Message- From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Shane Short Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:42 AM To: Tore Anderson Cc: juniper-nsp Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous.. I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives? -Shane On 18/02/2010, at 11:28 PM, Tore Anderson wrote: * TCIS List Acct But don't you need the advanced feature license to do BGP on the EX3200 series? That license adds thousands to the cost.. There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, Advanced BGP License for J-Series, which almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320. I'm not sure what exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license, though. Best regards, -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ Tel: +47 21 54 41 27 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
No BGP license of J series right? Only on EX? I think route reflector demands license on Jseries! Patrik Shane Short wrote: I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous.. I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives? -Shane On 18/02/2010, at 11:28 PM, Tore Anderson wrote: * TCIS List Acct But don't you need the advanced feature license to do BGP on the EX3200 series? That license adds thousands to the cost.. There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320. I'm not sure what exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license, though. Best regards, -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ Tel: +47 21 54 41 27 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp -- //Patrik Webkom http://www.webkom.se +46 (0)709 35 22 99 +46 (0)8 559 26 488 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
That would explain it-- my very shallow depth of Juniper knowledge started on the EX series :) -Shane On 19/02/2010, at 2:54 AM, Patrik Olsson wrote: No BGP license of J series right? Only on EX? I think route reflector demands license on Jseries! Patrik Shane Short wrote: I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous.. I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives? -Shane On 18/02/2010, at 11:28 PM, Tore Anderson wrote: * TCIS List Acct But don't you need the advanced feature license to do BGP on the EX3200 series? That license adds thousands to the cost.. There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320. I'm not sure what exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license, though. Best regards, -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ Tel: +47 21 54 41 27 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp -- //Patrik Webkom http://www.webkom.se +46 (0)709 35 22 99 +46 (0)8 559 26 488 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
Op 18 feb 2010, om 17:13 heeft Morten Isaksen het volgende geschreven: This looks a lot like the setup I am builing. I think you convinced me to go with the J2320. What version of the OS are you running? 9.3R4.4. To paraphrase a regular here: the last real JUNOS for J-series, before the flow-based ones. Newer versions will run too (I've installed 10.something to see if it worked at all) but flow-based stuff gives me the creeps for this purpose. Any problems with ipv6 on the router? None whatsoever. Runs absolutely fine with multiple full IPv6 tables. There may still be an IPv6 license for sale, but it is not needed to run IPv6 on the router (it is probably needed to get *supported* IPv6 to run on the router though). We use IS-IS as the IPv6 IGP which works fine too. The only thing that doesn't work, as has been reported here a few times by now, is route reflector capability. We tried it once, but it just doesn't work without the license. So we use OpenBGPD for that now :-) -- Niels Raijer ni...@fusix.nl http://fusix.nl ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
seems that what was once a useful source, the well has run dry. BGP need licencing!!! licencing and proprietry is Blue Box. I say get a grip goodbye. Populate someone else's mailbox with ridiculous questions. I despair. unsubscribe me now. what gets to me is that these people get work so long and thanks for all the fish and you won't hear me singing out these songs when I'm gone. so I guess I'll have to do it while I'm here when I'm gone - phil ochs John Train - Original Message - From: Florian Weimer fwei...@bfk.de To: Shane Short sh...@short.id.au Cc: juniper-nsp juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net; Tore Anderson tore.ander...@redpill-linpro.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router * Shane Short: I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous.. I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives? As far as I can tell, everything you need to run a regular BGP router is there, even without the advanced BGP license. It's likely that you don't have to pay the additional licensing fee. -- Florian Weimerfwei...@bfk.de BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 09:48:41AM -0500, Joe Goldberg wrote: I would be very interested though if the J2320 can take more than 1GB of RAM now. That would be news to me. Routing Engine status: ... DRAM 3811 MB Memory utilization 25 percent ... Model RE-J2320-2000 Officially supported though are only 2GB nowadays, as far as I'm aware. So: kids, do try this only at home (just like me). :-) I cannot say wether this (4x1G) runs stable, but I saw 2G (2x1G) and 2.5G (2x1G + 2x256M) J2320 running fine for many months with multiple full BGP tables. It's just product management. Just like the BGP route reflection dongle key. JNPR knows those boxes are very interesting for small/mid BGP demand networks as central route reflectors, so they squeeze some more money out of these deployments. Unfortunately, folks NOT using the routers in such a setup but occasionally need some route reflection are... colateral damage. Been there, still suffering from that. Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: d...@cluenet.de -- d...@ircnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0 ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
On Friday 19 February 2010 11:06:48 am Daniel Roesen wrote: It's just product management. Just like the BGP route reflection dongle key. JNPR knows those boxes are very interesting for small/mid BGP demand networks as central route reflectors, so they squeeze some more money out of these deployments. Unfortunately, folks NOT using the routers in such a setup but occasionally need some route reflection are... colateral damage. Been there, still suffering from that. Legacy JUNOS fans will be happy to have, well, JUNOS, on the J-series (and the EX-series) after coming from the M/T- series platforms. However, if you don't mind the IOS cruft and are really focusing on core features and hardware performance, the Cisco 7201 is a decent platform when pitched against the J2320, and in some cases, even the J4350. I've been able to do some 950Mbps through them @ 90% CPU utilization without dropping a packet. You'd miss the JUNOS niceties, but it's a capable box worth considering if you find yourself stuck in this category. Cheers, Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
