[kde] Re: List moderation?

2011-03-07 Thread Kevin Krammer 
On Monday, 2011-03-07, gene heskett wrote:
> Is this list moderated?

Yes, in the sense that there is one or more list moderators which decide on 
mails gotten held by the mailiinglist software, e.g. when someone who is not 
subscribed posts.

However, in this case the sender will get an automated response from the 
mailinglist software that her or his message has been held for approval.

> I am a member of this list, at the from: address above.  I am getting 5-20
> msgs a day delivered to this email address.
> 
> So, one more time, why do my posts disappear?

I've seen several of your messages so either those are not the ones you are 
missing or they are lost somewhere between the mailinglist server and your 
end.

You could check the archives on whether your messages have been recorded 
there: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde&r=1&w=2

Cheers,
Kevin

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[kde] Re: List moderation?

2011-03-07 Thread Anne Wilson 
On Tuesday 08 March 2011 03:35:56 gene heskett wrote:
> My apologies for the html, for some reason kmail seems to think its a good 
> idea, and I didn't notice the extra toolbar in the composer screen.  No 
> idea what turns in on, but I have to turn it off at least weekly.  IMNSHO, 
> turning that on needs a full screen, bright red lettering "Are you really 
> really sure you want to turn this on" requester.

I don't know whether this is a KMail problem or a packaging one, but I too 
occasionally find that html has been turned on by something.  I believe that 
it happens after updates, but I don't have any evidence.  I wouldn't claim 
anything like "once a week" - the very fact that it is much less frequent and 
irregular is the reason that I dn't always spot it straight away.

I'd love to know who is responsible for this so that we could "bug" them about 
it.  I reported it the first time it happened to me, which, at a guess, was 
about 18 months ago.

Anne
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[kde] Re: kde-4.6.1

2011-03-07 Thread Duncan 
gene heskett posted on Mon, 07 Mar 2011 23:52:47 -0500 as excerpted:

> Sorry, there was so much mucked up, I was overwhelmed myself.  If there
> is only one thing wrong, its a lot easier to try & fix that than when
> there are 4 or 5 things wrong, and a reboot throws 3 hours work looking
> for and trying to set stuff, away.  Frustrated would be an
> understatement.

FWIW, that's about where I was with kde 4.2.4, which is where I switched 
from kde3, as upstream kde wasn't supporting kde3 any more, insisting 4.2 
was ready for the masses, and with upstream kde dropping it, so were the 
distributions, save for trailing edge years-outdated distros.  Of course, 
4.2 was in reality not even beta quality (where beta is traditionally 
defined as functionally complete, just very buggy, but there were huge 
holes in the functionality still!)

If you go back to that period and look, I was NOT a happy camper!

Meanwhile, things /should/ be more or less calmed down by now.  But 
plasma... still bugs out for some people and under some circumstances (it 
did with me for 4.5, and I ended up hand-editing the config files to get 
it back, but learned my lesson, back them up before I go experimenting 
with more activities! very possibly the reason I've been fine so far with 
4.6, as I had hand-edited out the cruft and haven't played around with it 
much since as I've been afraid to), and phonon-xine... well, it's sort of 
deprecated and definitely buggy, but for whatever reason, it's still the 
default phonon backend in many distributions.  

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and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman

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[kde] Re: kde-4.6.1

2011-03-07 Thread gene heskett 
On Monday, March 07, 2011 11:30:55 PM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Sun, 06 Mar 2011 17:13:52 -0500 as excerpted:
> > Greetings;
> > 
> > pclos called it awesome when it was finished installing 224 packages
> > worth of it early this morning.
> > 
> > Uncle, uncle!  Uncle!!!  I.O.W., I give up.
> > 
> > Where can I find a tut that tells me how to setup a task manager that
> > sticks to all of the 10 workspaces I have?  Workspaces 2-10 seem to be
> > ok, and are all clones. but workspace one has a mind of its own.  If I
> > add a task manager on workspace 1, then its incomplete, and sitting on
> > top of the task manager on all other workspaces.
> 
> Workspace?  Do you mean virtual desktop (in the normal X sense, as used
> in kde3), or kde4/plasma activity, or...?  Maybe you mean both, which
> would mean activities in this case, since it's possible (tho not
> recommended, the feature was added by popular demand but doesn't really
> fit the vision of the plasma devs) to link them, such that every
> virtual desktop has its own activity.  (The checkbox for that option is
> in kcontrol, called system- settings even tho it's mostly user-specific
> kde-only settings that have little to do with system global settings,
> workspace appearance and behavior, workspace behavior, virtual desktops
> applet, desktops tab, different widgets for each desktop checkbox.)
> 
> FWIW, plasma is pretty nice and very fancy, with lots of widgets both
> included and on kdelook, to be added if desired.  However, it has also
> been one of the biggest source of complaints with kde4, for a number of
> reasons, including the fact that unlike many other kde components which
> were pretty much ported from kde3/qt3, plasma was built from scratch,
> and was rather more immature than the rest of kde4 in the early days. 
> To this day it has a lot of flash and glitz, but at least thru 4.5 (and
> apparently with 4.6 for you at least), continued to suffer from major
> bugs and instabilities that given its place as the kde4 desktop, have
> continued to be a drag on "it-just-works" style usability.
> 
> To get your head around the general ideas, you'll probably want to spend
> some time reading userbase (on the kde site) and ASegio's back-blog.
> (ASegio is the plasma lead developer.)
> 
> Meanwhile, plasmoids are the individual widgets, each menu, clock,
> system tray, task manager, etc.  Activities control the desktop but not
> the panels, which appear on all desktops.  Plasmoids, including the
> task manager plasmoid you're apparently having problems with, can be
> placed on either the desktop (in a particular activity), or on a panel.
> 
> Based on your description and how plasma is /supposed/ to work, I'm
> guessing that you have it set to link virtual desktops with activities
> (different widgets for each is checked), and the task managers on the
> desktops (thus, in activities), but activity/desktop one doesn't have
> one.  You then add one there, but to a panel, which because panels
> aren't activity controlled but global, now appears in that panel, which
> is positioned on top of the task manager plasmoid in the activity (on
> the desktop) in all the other workspaces.
> 
> Now, I don't personally use a task manager plasmoid here, preferring to
> use the grid effect (desktop effects kcontrol applet, middle tab),
> alt-tab (which I have set to the flip effect), or the cube effect, for
> switching desktops (I have only a single activity setup... so it
> appears on all desktops) or windows, depending on my mood (tho I
> usually use alt-tab). As a result, I don't have a lot of specific
> experience with the task manager plasmoid, since I removed it pretty
> fast.  However, some plasmoids behave differently on the desktop (in an
> activity) then they do in a panel, so that might be what you're
> referring to as "incomplete".  Also, from what I've read, there's quite
> some configuration possible with the task manager plasmoid, and it's
> possible the one you're adding is setup differently by default, only
> showing what's on that virtual desktop, for instance, or grouping
> windows, so it appears incomplete, but it's only because it's not
> configured the same as the other, or as I said, possibly because you're
> comparing the task managers on the desktop to one in a panel.
> 
> > And 2, I have no volume control (its wide, ear blasting, open)
> > regardless of what I assign the master volume to in kmix?  The audio
> > system (no pulse in pclos) also complains about missing audio devices
> > as if something else has grabbed the important ones.  I does this as
> > soon as I'm logged in, and long before it has applied whatever screen
> > settings it may,  or may not have remembered.  I've set video stuff
> > up 3 times so far, but all it seems to remember is some defaults that
> > are far from complete.
> 
> FWIW, kde4 uses phonon as its audio system.  phonon in turn uses one of
> several possible backends.  The original backend was

[kde] Re: kde-4.6.1

2011-03-07 Thread Duncan 
gene heskett posted on Sun, 06 Mar 2011 17:13:52 -0500 as excerpted:

> Greetings;
> 
> pclos called it awesome when it was finished installing 224 packages
> worth of it early this morning.
> 
> Uncle, uncle!  Uncle!!!  I.O.W., I give up.
> 
> Where can I find a tut that tells me how to setup a task manager that
> sticks to all of the 10 workspaces I have?  Workspaces 2-10 seem to be
> ok, and are all clones. but workspace one has a mind of its own.  If I
> add a task manager on workspace 1, then its incomplete, and sitting on
> top of the task manager on all other workspaces.

Workspace?  Do you mean virtual desktop (in the normal X sense, as used in 
kde3), or kde4/plasma activity, or...?  Maybe you mean both, which would 
mean activities in this case, since it's possible (tho not recommended, 
the feature was added by popular demand but doesn't really fit the vision 
of the plasma devs) to link them, such that every virtual desktop has its 
own activity.  (The checkbox for that option is in kcontrol, called system-
settings even tho it's mostly user-specific kde-only settings that have 
little to do with system global settings, workspace appearance and 
behavior, workspace behavior, virtual desktops applet, desktops tab, 
different widgets for each desktop checkbox.)

FWIW, plasma is pretty nice and very fancy, with lots of widgets both 
included and on kdelook, to be added if desired.  However, it has also 
been one of the biggest source of complaints with kde4, for a number of 
reasons, including the fact that unlike many other kde components which 
were pretty much ported from kde3/qt3, plasma was built from scratch, and 
was rather more immature than the rest of kde4 in the early days.  To this 
day it has a lot of flash and glitz, but at least thru 4.5 (and apparently 
with 4.6 for you at least), continued to suffer from major bugs and 
instabilities that given its place as the kde4 desktop, have continued to 
be a drag on "it-just-works" style usability.

To get your head around the general ideas, you'll probably want to spend 
some time reading userbase (on the kde site) and ASegio's back-blog.  
(ASegio is the plasma lead developer.)

Meanwhile, plasmoids are the individual widgets, each menu, clock, system 
tray, task manager, etc.  Activities control the desktop but not the 
panels, which appear on all desktops.  Plasmoids, including the task 
manager plasmoid you're apparently having problems with, can be placed on 
either the desktop (in a particular activity), or on a panel.

Based on your description and how plasma is /supposed/ to work, I'm 
guessing that you have it set to link virtual desktops with activities 
(different widgets for each is checked), and the task managers on the 
desktops (thus, in activities), but activity/desktop one doesn't have 
one.  You then add one there, but to a panel, which because panels aren't 
activity controlled but global, now appears in that panel, which is 
positioned on top of the task manager plasmoid in the activity (on the 
desktop) in all the other workspaces.

Now, I don't personally use a task manager plasmoid here, preferring to 
use the grid effect (desktop effects kcontrol applet, middle tab), alt-tab 
(which I have set to the flip effect), or the cube effect, for switching 
desktops (I have only a single activity setup... so it appears on all 
desktops) or windows, depending on my mood (tho I usually use alt-tab).  
As a result, I don't have a lot of specific experience with the task 
manager plasmoid, since I removed it pretty fast.  However, some plasmoids 
behave differently on the desktop (in an activity) then they do in a 
panel, so that might be what you're referring to as "incomplete".  Also, 
from what I've read, there's quite some configuration possible with the 
task manager plasmoid, and it's possible the one you're adding is setup 
differently by default, only showing what's on that virtual desktop, for 
instance, or grouping windows, so it appears incomplete, but it's only 
because it's not configured the same as the other, or as I said, possibly 
because you're comparing the task managers on the desktop to one in a 
panel.

> And 2, I have no volume control (its wide, ear blasting, open)
> regardless of what I assign the master volume to in kmix?  The audio
> system (no pulse in pclos) also complains about missing audio devices as
> if something else has grabbed the important ones.  I does this as soon
> as I'm logged in, and long before it has applied whatever screen
> settings it may,  or may not have remembered.  I've set video stuff up 3
> times so far, but all it seems to remember is some defaults that are far
> from complete.

FWIW, kde4 uses phonon as its audio system.  phonon in turn uses one of 
several possible backends.  The original backend was the xine backend, 
phonon-xine, and it remains the default in many distributions, despite the 
fact that the phonon devs ran into technical issues with it and now 
consider i

[kde] kde-4.6.1

2011-03-07 Thread gene heskett 
Greetings;

Resend, after Duncan claimed I was sending html.  This message was plain 
text when it left here the first time and is now plain text.

pclos called it awesome when it was finished installing 224 packages worth 
of it early this morning.

Uncle, uncle!  Uncle!!!  I.O.W., I give up.

Where can I find a tut that tells me how to setup a task manager that 
sticks to all of the 10 workspaces I have?  Workspaces 2-10 seem to be ok, 
and are all clones. but workspace one has a mind of its own.  If I add a 
task manager on workspace 1, then its incomplete, and sitting on top of the 
task manager on all other workspaces.

And 2, I have no volume control (its wide, ear blasting, open) regardless 
of what I assign the master volume to in kmix?  The audio system (no pulse 
in pclos) also complains about missing audio devices as if something else 
has grabbed the important ones.  I does this as soon as I'm logged in, and 
long before it has applied whatever screen settings it may,  or may not 
have remembered.  I've set video stuff up 3 times so far, but all it seems 
to remember is some defaults that are far from complete.

Obviously I am not doing something right, so where is the tutorial, one 
that assumes you are starting from a blank screen except for the cashew in 
the upper right corner.  Or even without that if possible.

Thanks for any helpful URL's & other hints.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

Hey, wait a minute!!  I want a divorce!! ... you're not Clint Eastwood!!

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[kde] Re: List moderation?

2011-03-07 Thread gene heskett 
On Monday, March 07, 2011 10:30:25 PM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:46:42 -0500 as excerpted:
> > Is this list moderated?
> > 
> > I am a member of this list, at the from: address above.  I am getting
> > 5-20 msgs a day delivered to this email address.
> > 
> > So, one more time, why do my posts disappear?
> 
> The list isn't moderated, but they /do/ discourage HTML posting as you
> did, because many regulars, including me, believe there's only three
> types of folks that normally use HTML, those who are trying to use it
> to hide or trigger malware, those who are trying to dress up their
> spam, and those AOLer types that simply don't know better and often
> don't care to know (which are you? will you stop now that you know and
> you're being asked to?).  If the message is legit, its content only
> needs plain text, no need to dress it up with potentially security
> vulnerability triggering HTML.
> 
> They obviously don't filter it as the message got thru, but it might add
> to a spam-filter score somewhere, causing the message to be judged more
> likely spam and less likely ham.  Depending on the other message
> content...
> 
> Meanwhile, here on the gmane list2news archive, I see messages from a
> "Gene Heskett" (initial caps) clear back as early as June, 2004.  That
> Gene Heskett seems to have posted fairly regularly to this list thru
> April of 2006, at which point there was a gap.  But a "gene heskett"
> (initial small-letters) started posting in late August of 2010, with
> posts several times a month thru January.  There's no listed posts for
> February, but one from Sunday (yesterday) on kde-4.6.1 (no replies,
> yet) and then this one, today.

My apologies for the html, for some reason kmail seems to think its a good 
idea, and I didn't notice the extra toolbar in the composer screen.  No 
idea what turns in on, but I have to turn it off at least weekly.  IMNSHO, 
turning that on needs a full screen, bright red lettering "Are you really 
really sure you want to turn this on" requester.

Now I'll go back and look at the other messages I've sent recently and see 
if any of them were html too, fix and resend if they are.

Thanks Duncan.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

Murphy's Law is recursive.  Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work.
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[kde] Re: List moderation?

2011-03-07 Thread Duncan 
gene heskett posted on Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:46:42 -0500 as excerpted:

> Is this list moderated?
> 
> I am a member of this list, at the from: address above.  I am getting
> 5-20 msgs a day delivered to this email address.
> 
> So, one more time, why do my posts disappear?

The list isn't moderated, but they /do/ discourage HTML posting as you 
did, because many regulars, including me, believe there's only three types 
of folks that normally use HTML, those who are trying to use it to hide or 
trigger malware, those who are trying to dress up their spam, and those 
AOLer types that simply don't know better and often don't care to know 
(which are you? will you stop now that you know and you're being asked 
to?).  If the message is legit, its content only needs plain text, no need 
to dress it up with potentially security vulnerability triggering HTML.

They obviously don't filter it as the message got thru, but it might add 
to a spam-filter score somewhere, causing the message to be judged more 
likely spam and less likely ham.  Depending on the other message content...

Meanwhile, here on the gmane list2news archive, I see messages from a 
"Gene Heskett" (initial caps) clear back as early as June, 2004.  That 
Gene Heskett seems to have posted fairly regularly to this list thru April 
of 2006, at which point there was a gap.  But a "gene heskett" (initial 
small-letters) started posting in late August of 2010, with posts several 
times a month thru January.  There's no listed posts for February, but one 
from Sunday (yesterday) on kde-4.6.1 (no replies, yet) and then this one, 
today.

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman

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[kde] List moderation?

2011-03-07 Thread gene heskett 
Is this list moderated?

I am a member of this list, at the from: address above.  I am getting 5-20 
msgs a day delivered to this email address.

So, one more time, why do my posts disappear?

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

Positive, adj.:
Mistaken at the top of one's voice.
-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
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