[kde] Re: OT Language (was Re: lost Desktop)
On Friday 15 Jul 2011 21:46:33 Duncan wrote: > Jerry posted on Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:06:39 -0400 as excerpted: > > You couldn't be referring to a "monkey wrench: could you? > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_wrench > > That's the "English key" (which I mentioned is the original monkey > wrench) as illustrated in the first link I posted. However, it's > possible that's what Anne was referring to, but if so, I misunderstood > her "pin" reference (which as I said I couldn't picture based on her > description, so it's quite possible I /did/ misunderstand, thus the > request for some image so I could picture it, as well). An amazing number of solutions to a single problem :-) Your Crescent Wrench is the one that I have - a slightly smaller and lighter version of David's. None of the other pictures look like the other one he uses. Imagine a single piece of iron, like a flattened umbrella handle. Underneath the curve is serrated to be one half of the jaw, and down the straight are a number of holes. A second, entirely separate piece of iron fits around the handle, with the curved upper surface being serrated. There is a single hole, where a pin locates it into the adjustable part. It's a very primitive tool, to my eye. Maybe I can get a photo of it. Anne -- New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: OT Language (was Re: lost Desktop)
Jerry posted on Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:06:39 -0400 as excerpted: > You couldn't be referring to a "monkey wrench: could you? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_wrench That's the "English key" (which I mentioned is the original monkey wrench) as illustrated in the first link I posted. However, it's possible that's what Anne was referring to, but if so, I misunderstood her "pin" reference (which as I said I couldn't picture based on her description, so it's quite possible I /did/ misunderstand, thus the request for some image so I could picture it, as well). -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: OT Language (was Re: lost Desktop)
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:44:20 + (UTC) Duncan articulated: > Anne Wilson posted on Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:39:57 +0100 as excerpted: > > > We have two types of adjustable spanner (not sure if both types are > > still available) - one that is adjusted by thumbing a wheel, and the > > other has separate jars, which are adjusted by putting in a pin, > > rather like a belt buckle. I've never known what that one was > > called. I think they are not made any more, but David, my husband, > > still likes that one for some jobs. Is that similar to your > > crescent wrench, or something different? > > The crescent wrench has a thumb-wheel (apparently often called a > Bahco in parts of Europe, see the trademark note and the leaflet link > at the bottom of the page). See the two illustrations a the top > right, here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent_wrench > > That page also has an illustration of an "English key", and older > design not as common today, at least in the US. This one is said to > be the original "monkey wrench" design. > > There's a couple other variants on the same thing as well. A "pipe > wrench" (Wikipedia says Stillson's, in UK/AU) is one: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_wrench > > There's also the "plumber's wrench", which is a cross between a pair > of pliers and a an "English key". These aren't common in the US, but > I found one at I think one of the dollar stores (Vietnamese run I > think, possibly the reason they had them) and bought it. Most such > buys are worthless, breaking almost immediately, but I hadn't seen > this type myself before, so I was interested and thought I'd try it. > It turned out to be surprisingly sturdy for a buck, but did > eventually break. Had I known about them, I might have bought > several (especially for a buck each! ) as it turned out to be quite > useful and I was rather disappointed when it finally broke. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumber_wrench > > But I don't see anything illustrated with a pin-based design and I > don't recognize the description. If you could find some sort of > illustration, I'd love to see it. =:^) You couldn't be referring to a "monkey wrench: could you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_wrench -- Jerry ✌ kde.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: OT Language (was Re: lost Desktop)
Anne Wilson posted on Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:39:57 +0100 as excerpted: > We have two types of adjustable spanner (not sure if both types are > still available) - one that is adjusted by thumbing a wheel, and the > other has separate jars, which are adjusted by putting in a pin, rather > like a belt buckle. I've never known what that one was called. I think > they are not made any more, but David, my husband, still likes that one > for some jobs. Is that similar to your crescent wrench, or something > different? The crescent wrench has a thumb-wheel (apparently often called a Bahco in parts of Europe, see the trademark note and the leaflet link at the bottom of the page). See the two illustrations a the top right, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent_wrench That page also has an illustration of an "English key", and older design not as common today, at least in the US. This one is said to be the original "monkey wrench" design. There's a couple other variants on the same thing as well. A "pipe wrench" (Wikipedia says Stillson's, in UK/AU) is one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_wrench There's also the "plumber's wrench", which is a cross between a pair of pliers and a an "English key". These aren't common in the US, but I found one at I think one of the dollar stores (Vietnamese run I think, possibly the reason they had them) and bought it. Most such buys are worthless, breaking almost immediately, but I hadn't seen this type myself before, so I was interested and thought I'd try it. It turned out to be surprisingly sturdy for a buck, but did eventually break. Had I known about them, I might have bought several (especially for a buck each! ) as it turned out to be quite useful and I was rather disappointed when it finally broke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumber_wrench But I don't see anything illustrated with a pin-based design and I don't recognize the description. If you could find some sort of illustration, I'd love to see it. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: OT Language (was Re: lost Desktop)
On Friday 15 Jul 2011 14:56:32 gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, July 15, 2011 09:43:31 AM Anne Wilson did opine: > > On Friday 15 Jul 2011 00:37:58 Alex Schuster wrote: > > > dict.leo.org suggests [screw] wrench or spanner. Or 'monkey wrench' > > > for 'englischer Schraubenschl�ssel'. Ah, 'der Engl�nder'! An > > > adjustable wrench. Oh, and there even is 'crescent wrench' for 'Swiss > > > spanner'. > > > > I love these essays into language comparisons :-) Although all English > > recognise the word "wrench", "spanner" is the more commonly used here. > > OTOH, "monkey wrench" I associate with heavy-duty contexts, such as > > motor- engineering. Then there's that thing that I know of as an > > "adjustable spanner" - apparently the English spanner to you LOL > > > > Anne > > Chuckle. That adjustable spanner, is a "Crescent Wrench" here in the US, > because the Crescent people owned the long since expired patent, and it has > been the generic term for such a tool for at least 70 years that I know of. > > Similarly, the "monkey wrench" we use here, represents a wrench/spanner > that was also adjustable by a similar means, but the forces against the > adjuster were essentially direct, where the 'Crescent' version used jaw > motion wedging friction to aid the adjuster in holding position much > better. The end result is that I can buy generic crescent wrenches almost > anyplace, but a genuine monkey wrench will likely be sold at an estate > auction as its likely both in excess of 100 years old, and worth 25x what > it cost new just as an antique. They are also commonly called knuckle > busters on this side of the pond, because they were very good at it. > We have two types of adjustable spanner (not sure if both types are still available) - one that is adjusted by thumbing a wheel, and the other has separate jars, which are adjusted by putting in a pin, rather like a belt buckle. I've never known what that one was called. I think they are not made any more, but David, my husband, still likes that one for some jobs. Is that similar to your crescent wrench, or something different? Ane -- New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
On Friday, July 15, 2011 09:43:31 AM Anne Wilson did opine: > On Friday 15 Jul 2011 00:37:58 Alex Schuster wrote: > > dict.leo.org suggests [screw] wrench or spanner. Or 'monkey wrench' > > for 'englischer Schraubenschl�ssel'. Ah, 'der Engl�nder'! An > > adjustable wrench. Oh, and there even is 'crescent wrench' for 'Swiss > > spanner'. > > I love these essays into language comparisons :-) Although all English > recognise the word "wrench", "spanner" is the more commonly used here. > OTOH, "monkey wrench" I associate with heavy-duty contexts, such as > motor- engineering. Then there's that thing that I know of as an > "adjustable spanner" - apparently the English spanner to you LOL > > Anne Chuckle. That adjustable spanner, is a "Crescent Wrench" here in the US, because the Crescent people owned the long since expired patent, and it has been the generic term for such a tool for at least 70 years that I know of. Similarly, the "monkey wrench" we use here, represents a wrench/spanner that was also adjustable by a similar means, but the forces against the adjuster were essentially direct, where the 'Crescent' version used jaw motion wedging friction to aid the adjuster in holding position much better. The end result is that I can buy generic crescent wrenches almost anyplace, but a genuine monkey wrench will likely be sold at an estate auction as its likely both in excess of 100 years old, and worth 25x what it cost new just as an antique. They are also commonly called knuckle busters on this side of the pond, because they were very good at it. Trivia, never played the game myself. ;-) Cheers, gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Promise her anything, but give her Exxon unleaded. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: lost Desktop
On Friday 15 Jul 2011 00:37:58 Alex Schuster wrote: > dict.leo.org suggests [screw] wrench or spanner. Or 'monkey wrench' for > 'englischer Schraubenschlüssel'. Ah, 'der Engländer'! An adjustable > wrench. Oh, and there even is 'crescent wrench' for 'Swiss spanner'. I love these essays into language comparisons :-) Although all English recognise the word "wrench", "spanner" is the more commonly used here. OTOH, "monkey wrench" I associate with heavy-duty contexts, such as motor- engineering. Then there's that thing that I know of as an "adjustable spanner" - apparently the English spanner to you LOL Anne -- New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
