[kde] Can Picture Frame plasmoid set to remote URL?

2012-04-07 Thread Franklin Weng
Hi all,


I just tried to set my Picture Frame plasmoid to Slideshow, and set an
sftp:// remote url to the path.

However, it told me that the folder was empty.  I'm sure that there
are pictures inside the url.  I can also see it using dolphin or even
gwenview.  Just Picture Frame failed to get pictures with remote URL.

Since it can play Picture of the Day, which should get picture
remotely, I think that using sftp:// should work.
Could anyone please tell me how to set remote folder in Picture Frame?


Thanks,
Franklin
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Re: [kde] Dolphin search anomalies KDE 4.6.0

2012-04-07 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Friday, 2012-04-06, John Woodhouse wrote:
 I'm trying to use Dolphin - the file manager as konq used to be
 
 Comments related to Dolphin

Hmm, ok. But why not use Konqueror if you are looking for its features?

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Re: [kde] KDE release cycles?

2012-04-07 Thread dE .

On 04/05/12 13:57, Kevin Krammer wrote:

On Thursday, 2012-04-05, Duncan wrote:

dE . posted on Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:23:16 +0530 as excerpted:

So 'feature release' may mean (apart form including absolutely new
features) -

1) Restructuring the code (better management).
2) New backend or changed backend which may increase or decrease bugs.

And bug fixes mean fixing small time bugs in library or directly in the
app.

I'll let Kevin respond to that (tho it seems a reasonable summary to this
non-dev, here),

I agree. My guess is that the term feature release is used to indicate that
this is not just the same thing again.

 From a developer's perspective it just means that restrictions on what you can
do are less tight. There are still things that are not allowed, e.g. changing
libraries in a way that makes them incompatible with applications, but on the
application level you can do almost anything you want.


but there is certainly one practical limitation of the
bugfix releases as opposed to feature releases:

* Strings are generally frozen during a six-month bugfix series.  This is
to help the various l10n (localization, basically, translation) efforts,
but it DOES mean a tradeoff in terms of fixing things properly
sometimes, if that would mean a UI and string change, even if the actual
code fix is reasonably small and safe and would otherwise be allowed.

Yes, very good observation. Sometimes an essential bug fix needs a string
change, in which case the translators usually grant an exception [1].


This is actually one reason the distros tend to ship later bugfix
releases instead of newer feature releases

One additional thing might be that distributions themselves use a very similar
development and release model so they have a better understanding what each
step along the way carries with it.

Early bug fix releases of a feature release are basically more like the public
beta of proprietary software, i.e. the beta releases of Free Software products
(and of distributions which do such things) are more like the interal or
private beta.


'Early bug fix' release? I thought that bug fix releases were the minor 
versions like 4.8.1, or 4.8.2 etc...

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Re: [kde] KDE release cycles?

2012-04-07 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Saturday, 2012-04-07, dE . wrote:
 On 04/05/12 13:57, Kevin Krammer wrote:
  On Thursday, 2012-04-05, Duncan wrote:
  dE . posted on Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:23:16 +0530 as excerpted:
  So 'feature release' may mean (apart form including absolutely new
  features) -
  
  1) Restructuring the code (better management).
  2) New backend or changed backend which may increase or decrease bugs.
  
  And bug fixes mean fixing small time bugs in library or directly in the
  app.
  
  I'll let Kevin respond to that (tho it seems a reasonable summary to
  this non-dev, here),
  
  I agree. My guess is that the term feature release is used to indicate
  that this is not just the same thing again.
  
   From a developer's perspective it just means that restrictions on what
   you can
  
  do are less tight. There are still things that are not allowed, e.g.
  changing libraries in a way that makes them incompatible with
  applications, but on the application level you can do almost anything
  you want.
  
  but there is certainly one practical limitation of the
  bugfix releases as opposed to feature releases:
  
  * Strings are generally frozen during a six-month bugfix series.  This
  is to help the various l10n (localization, basically, translation)
  efforts, but it DOES mean a tradeoff in terms of fixing things
  properly sometimes, if that would mean a UI and string change, even
  if the actual code fix is reasonably small and safe and would
  otherwise be allowed.
  
  Yes, very good observation. Sometimes an essential bug fix needs a string
  change, in which case the translators usually grant an exception [1].
  
  This is actually one reason the distros tend to ship later bugfix
  releases instead of newer feature releases
  
  One additional thing might be that distributions themselves use a very
  similar development and release model so they have a better
  understanding what each step along the way carries with it.
  
  Early bug fix releases of a feature release are basically more like the
  public beta of proprietary software, i.e. the beta releases of Free
  Software products (and of distributions which do such things) are more
  like the interal or private beta.
 
 'Early bug fix' release? I thought that bug fix releases were the minor
 versions like 4.8.1, or 4.8.2 etc...

Yes. What I wanted to say was early as in x.y.1 and x.y.2 as opposed to late 
as in x.y.5

Cheers,
Kevin

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Re: [kde] Dolphin search anomalies KDE 4.6.0

2012-04-07 Thread Kevin Krammer

 if it has happened but that would be a useful step up from Konq. I also
 thought that the general idea was to replace konq with dolphin.

It is more an addition, i.e. having a file managment only application available 
additional to the graphical shell Konqueror.

Konqueror with all its modes and settings specific for certain modes is mainly 
addressing the needs of a type of user who like to have a wide range of 
options at hand at all times.

Other users prefer simple tools even it that means not being able to do things 
a certain way.

One of the options to solve this was to create another Konqueror mode that, 
when activated, would lock down some of the application's capabilities.

In the end the option to create a new and dedicated application was chosen 
instead for various reasons (additional and very committed developers, not 
needing to add complexity to an already quite complex application, etc).

The replacing part of the whole change only applies to the default setting, 
i.e. which of the two application's is registered as the default file manager.
This registration can of course be changed or Konqueror can be used by choice 
if it fits a user's workflow or mental patterns better.

Cheers,
Kevin

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Re: [kde] Dolphin search anomalies KDE 4.6.0

2012-04-07 Thread John Woodhouse
Have to forgive me here Keven but having checked the 2 konq looks to be the 
same as dolphin and just presented in a different way but dolphin has a file 
search and konq has bookmarks and I can open text files into another tab with 
it. File bookmarks don't work in my case. Do they in any version? I have my 
doubts.

Konq is so similar to dolphin I can understand why certain people describe it 
as a window not an application. I haven't much time for people who blindly 
resist change just because it doesn't work in exactly the same way as it did - 
selections etc but as things stand there isn't much point in having the 2 apps 
except for people like that and as it is they will still be unhappy. :-) Must 
admit I did like Konq with full feature viewing and complained, a natural 
reaction. One app doing all is handy once some one has got used to the idea but 
dolphin previews and ok has to launch an app to actually view - big deal really 
for anyone who views such changes sensibly. Konq also launches and ap if I open 
a video in another tab. Text, pictures and pdf are ok but the latter takes time 
to load. A bit too long really. Trying to do that with all viewable files could 
understandably be a rather difficult option given the variations.

Kitting out dolphin with a file search is a sensible place to put it and it's 
not exactly intrusive. What makes no sense what so ever is not making the 
results function in the same way as a normal file view mode does.


As to the 2 being really different I think you must have your tongue in your 
cheek really. I have because I'm not convinced konq could ever bookmark files 
else why did I use kate. In 2 modes actually normal and su mode.  What would be 
super cool (60's jargon) would to be to add file bookmarks that simply went to 
them and highlighted them where ever they are ( or were but web pages have that 
problem too= error message) Click launch , right click open with . su mode etc. 
People who have m8's etc who crop up on k - dumb - unbuto from time to time 
could even bookmark there current favourite video's etc or what ever else that 
they have probably illegally down loaded and use what ever app they liked to 
view it. Fortunately just about every one on the planet over the age of about 2 
1/2 knows what bookmarks are. It could also be used to bookmark folders - 
duplication I know but why not. Less frequently used ones maybe but some would 
remove the panel. That
 aspect makes me think that the code is already mostly there really.


:-) Apologies to any of the ubunto school - just that I tried it and found out 
it crippled root fine for people who want to cripple a lot of people in an 
office. I also nosed around a fair few forums. I had a feeling that the typical 
users had changed some what. All to the good really. The more the better.


In the meantime or for ever I suppose I will have to use the old file search 
facility. :-) I found the dolphin one by accident really, just clicking on edit 
to see what was there many months after having upgraded from 3 to 4. Looks to 
me like konq could get a search and bookmarks too for those that like the tabs 
and split views etc. Wow I just found that dolphin has them too - fibbing a bit 
there I already knew. It's a nice piece of software really but the search 
results fiasco is clearly a silly omission.


John



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 From: Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org
 To: kde@mail.kde.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2012, 16:34
 Subject: Re: [kde] Dolphin search anomalies KDE 4.6.0
 
 
  if it has happened but that would be a useful step up from Konq. I also
  thought that the general idea was to replace konq with dolphin.
 
 It is more an addition, i.e. having a file managment only application 
 available 
 additional to the graphical shell Konqueror.
 
 Konqueror with all its modes and settings specific for certain modes is 
 mainly 
 addressing the needs of a type of user who like to have a wide range of 
 options at hand at all times.
 
 Other users prefer simple tools even it that means not being able to do 
 things 
 a certain way.
 
 One of the options to solve this was to create another Konqueror mode that, 
 when activated, would lock down some of the application's capabilities.
 
 In the end the option to create a new and dedicated application was chosen 
 instead for various reasons (additional and very committed developers, not 
 needing to add complexity to an already quite complex application, etc).
 
 The replacing part of the whole change only applies to the default 
 setting, 
 i.e. which of the two application's is registered as the default file 
 manager.
 This registration can of course be changed or Konqueror can be used by choice 
 if it fits a user's workflow or mental patterns better.
 
 Cheers,
 Kevin
 
 -- 
 Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer
 KDE user support, developer mentoring
 
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Re: [kde] Dolphin search anomalies KDE 4.6.0

2012-04-07 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Saturday, 2012-04-07, John Woodhouse wrote:
 Have to forgive me here Keven but having checked the 2 konq looks to be the
 same as dolphin and just presented in a different way but dolphin has a
 file search and konq has bookmarks and I can open text files into another
 tab with it.

The two programs use the same view engine for displaying and interacting with 
directories and files, however everything around that is diffferent.
E.g. Konqueror uses a standard browser address input while Dolphin uses 
breadcrum hints by default.

Konqueror can do vertical and horizontal view splits, separate views can be 
linked (changing path in one changes path in all linked ones), etc., while 
Dolphin has all kinds of useful sidebars or docks.

 File bookmarks don't work in my case. Do they in any version?
 I have my doubts.

Work fine here:
konqueror --version
Qt: 4.7.4
KDE: 4.6.5 (4.6.5)
Konqueror: 4.6.5 (4.6.5)

I tried a directory bookmark, one for a text file and one for an image file. 
All 
worked as expected.

 As to the 2 being really different I think you must have your tongue in
 your cheek really.

They share code for some things, but they have a different philosophy on the 
general UI.

 I have because I'm not convinced konq could ever
 bookmark files else why did I use kate.

Where you add your bookmarks might depend on the workflow associated with the 
bookmarked things.
E.g. if your workflow it to start Kate and then browse for the files to edit, 
then having the file bookmarked in Kate fits better than bookmarking in in 
Konqueror.
If your workflow is to browse to the file using a file manager and then start 
Kate by clicking on the file, bookmarking the directory the file is in would 
probably be more efficient.

 In 2 modes actually normal and su
 mode.  What would be super cool (60's jargon) would to be to add file
 bookmarks that simply went to them and highlighted them where ever they
 are

Yes, that sounds useful. Currently a bookmarked file is opened, i.e. the 
bookmark works like clicking the file, not just selecting it.

Cheers,
Kevin
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