Re: [kde] Upgrading from kde 4.6 to 4.10 SC questions
The problem with upgrades especially to a new machine is that mail keeps coming in on the old one. That can make unsuccessful mail transfers a real pain. One aspect that annoys me is that original Kmail, don't know about the new one, would import the lot from the previous one if it was an upgrade to the same machine. This code couldn't be pointed at a directory tree that a user might have copied across. In fact that sort of thing only appeared and didn't work as well until I made a rather pointed comment on here. I'm tempted to give kdepim3 a go and pray or switch entirely to pay for web mail. IMAP is mostly defeatist probably because most mail packages seem to have outstanding bugs. Have to laugh. When the current set up was mentioned on here some one chimed in what we need is a daemon. My thoughts were oh no for several reasons but no doubt the person who did it found it to be a very invigorating experience even though the may have found out that it had it's problems on heavily used machines with a lot on them. As usual not much thought about users needs only change. I am a software person but not PC unfortunately and also extremely object orientated. My guess is that eventually some might sit down and think about mail and decide they are up a blind alley that even Moor's Law wont sort out unless we start shifting photons about. Only thing about using kdepim3 is that I was told to keep user name and password the same when copying directories across. Not sure why as user rights are easy to change. Unfortunately my new install has some how given me a different user id number which made trying to use NTS to transfer files across a bit of a pain so done with discs via a usb sata hub at 25mb/sec plus pauses. 2 writes instead of one and very long rights change pass. Maybe some one can shed light on ..pim3 and keeping the user etc the same. Maybe that is KDE and not system related. Hope not or more problems. John On Sun, 14/7/13, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Subject: Re: [kde] Upgrading from kde 4.6 to 4.10 SC questions To: k...@postbox.kde.org Date: Sunday, 14 July, 2013, 22:56 - John Woodhouse posted on Sun, 14 Jul 2013 05:29:48 -0700 as excerpted: My current email is old style email handling and new style address book. The next one is new style in both respects. That is where all of the problems seem to lie. Yes. That's where I had the worst problems with kmail and decided to ditch it, here. In that case, indeed, you can try upgrading if you like, but be sure and have backups, and be prepared to try other alternatives if the new kmail just doesn't work for you. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
Interesting Duncan. One thing that has struck me about the changes is that in real terms all they are doing is presenting folders and icons in a different way. Hardly surprising really as windows is extremely mature and in many ways difficult to really get away from. Now there will be more changes on the same line and virtualisation. I get the impression that the later is led by more than one core in a processor. Also a buzz word at the moment. Not an area I have looked at much as I am more interested in distributed processing and services. Lots of people are although at the moment they wouldn't see it like that - nas's and home servers etc. There is also a lot of interest in low power processors. Much more flexible than more cores. People are even running good home media servers on them alongside a nas. In a way I am reminded of the HP going back to the shed advert. KDE attracted a lot of some times semi enterprise use because it could be configured relatively easily to suite what people might want or have to present to users. Linux etc is still used on a number of large networks and that is essentially it's roots and has been for some time now. Some distro's are driven by people with the desire to offer enterprise wide solutions that do compete with windoze. I feel that away from the server it's gone a bit me too. Maybe kde scripting now works a little bit better than it does on 4.6. Maybe it's still relatively easy to use. I'd guess in many cases it's mainly linux server, samba and windoze pc's now. Windoze have just added NFS to make server migration easier. Also probably doing a lot of work deep down in their code to make the glossy end more suitable for rapid change - bottom end too. Fact is that there is lots of free OS available for windoze now but fortunately there pricing policy and there updates put people off and make them look elsewhere. That mostly applies to home users not enterprises. Ok the idea of what are really multiple desktops that retain what they are doing is a great idea but some aspects of Duncans scenario doesn't ring true to me. As a for instance - laptop owned by the company - plugged into network at work. These days machines like that will have remote support software installed which is also used to check what is on machines from time to time. They are also generally bulk backed up. What's all this junk on here etc. There are also far more machines that are not used at work. These are the people that test the software. The same ones that get irritated by microsoft. Out of interest some one tested KDE against Gnome in respect to what appears to be a Kernal bug - machine can lock up given disc access. I have had this one KDE 4.6, find myself typing ahead even with properly raided 10k ultra 320 scsi on a true 64bit motherboard. ;-) Might be 15k actually, probably is. Part cured by moving from 4 to 8gb but still happens from time to time. The test found that Gnome suffered far less than KDE, dedicated KDE user as well and still is. Probably because Gnome has less in the way or is just more efficient. All leaves me wondering if the basics will ever really get sorted out. :-) Me well I once spent several hours making Gnome more kde like and found I still didn't like it so went back. My 1.6ghz 1gb 32bit Atom netbook runs windows 7. Not too badly either for what it's intended for. Can't stick KDE on that. Others have tried. Gives you an indication where they are at. :-) The damm updates as the battery is near flat and when they choose to do them is driving me up the wall though. The will update in 15min offering a cancel was interesting too - canceled and it still did it as it seems they were important. Dropped what I was typing too. Acrobat updates and leaves a view that is totally unsuitable for a netbook and no way to get rid of it. Still reasons for switching to Linux but no doubt they will wise up at some point. :-) Haven't had a rant for ages. No point really. Bit like the ideas opendesktop org had that didn't get into KDE4. Excellent if some one wants to rejig things themselves. John - On Mon, 15/7/13, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Subject: Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session To: k...@postbox.kde.org Date: Monday, 15 July, 2013, 12:52 Jerome Yuzyk posted on Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:08:35 -0600 as excerpted: Is there any plan to make the Restore Sessions function have a dialog to allow what session items to restart after login? Not being a dev I can't answer that question in detail, but... Currently it's all or nothing, so I've turned it off and fashioned my own ways to repopulate my Desktops after a restart. In the case of a crash I don't always remember what I had open. With something like the Restore function used by Konqueror and other browsers, I could use Restore the same way for my KWin (?) sessions. Two answers to think about, one
Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
On Monday, July 15, 2013 11:52:18 AM Duncan wrote: Jerome Yuzyk posted on Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:08:35 -0600 as excerpted: Is there any plan to make the Restore Sessions function have a dialog to allow what session items to restart after login? Not being a dev I can't answer that question in detail, but... Currently it's all or nothing, so I've turned it off and fashioned my own ways to repopulate my Desktops after a restart. In the case of a crash I don't always remember what I had open. With something like the Restore function used by Konqueror and other browsers, I could use Restore the same way for my KWin (?) sessions. Two answers to think about, one dealing with the current situation, one discussing the future based on the kde blogs, etc, I've read. Current: KDE's session management is customizable in a couple different ways. I know about those ways, but they're not what I'm looking for. Perhaps someone here knows where the list of currently-opened items that Restore would use is stored, and maybe I can do something with that. I have a stock set of things that I always open after a restart, that's easy. What is not so easy is what I had open in addition to these items after a restart. My idea is to be able to pick up where I left off after a restart but selectively. Now that I am getting familiar looking into the source for various KDE components, a pointer to which package/source file would get me started. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
John Woodhouse posted on Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:03:13 -0700 as excerpted: Out of interest some one tested KDE against Gnome in respect to what appears to be a Kernal bug - machine can lock up given disc access. I have had this one KDE 4.6, find myself typing ahead even with properly raided 10k ultra 320 scsi on a true 64bit motherboard. ;-) Might be 15k actually, probably is. Part cured by moving from 4 to 8gb but still happens from time to time. The test found that Gnome suffered far less than KDE, dedicated KDE user as well and still is. Probably because Gnome has less in the way or is just more efficient. This bit might be the nepomuk indexing. In 4.10 and 4.11 that is said to be MUCH faster, with less disturbing whatever else is going on, and it's supposed to be easier to turn off... to the extent that on gentoo, with 4.11 they took away the semantic-desktop USE flag that allowed one to build kde without it, as in theory it can be turned off at runtime now. But, having gone to quite some trouble to remove it from my system, including dumping kmail and anything kdepim related since that required it, I wasn't going to let it back on my system... I'd have rather switched to some other desktop. So I ended up with an automated patch system that applies patches to the gentoo ebuilds as they're updated, to remove that stuff and continue to keep it off my system. Too bad as gentoo in theory is about giving the user such choices, but what do you do when none of the gentoo/kde maintainers are interested in it? Anyway, that's why I'm reporting the semantic-desktop changes in third person, I don't know what the changes are like personally as I won't let semantic-desktop on my system, period. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
Jerome Yuzyk posted on Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:17:14 -0600 as excerpted: Perhaps someone here knows where the list of currently-opened items that Restore would use is stored, and maybe I can do something with that. I have a stock set of things that I always open after a restart, that's easy. What is not so easy is what I had open in addition to these items after a restart. My idea is to be able to pick up where I left off after a restart but selectively. Now that I am getting familiar looking into the source for various KDE components, a pointer to which package/source file would get me started. Take a look at ksmserver, and $KDEHOME/share/config/ksmserverrc. At the modular level, ksmserver is part of kde-workspace (at least for the 4.10 and 4.11 series I have available here on gentoo to check). -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
