Re: [kde] KDE + Firefox integration: restart?

2014-07-08 Thread Kevin Krammer
First of all, thanks for stepping up and getting the discussion going again.

One thing that strikes me as wrong though, considering the comments on the 
Firefox list, is that this is phrased as KDE Integration.

Using the KDE file dialog would be KDE specific integration, using the user 
configured default application for a certain task is not.

That would be Free Software Desktop integration, i.e. folling the mime-apps-
spec:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/mime-apps-spec/

Cheers,
Kevin
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Re: [kde] KDE + Firefox integration: restart?

2014-07-08 Thread grantksupport
Hi

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014, at 08:43 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote:
 First of all, thanks for stepping up and getting the discussion going again.
 
 One thing that strikes me as wrong though, considering the comments on the 
 Firefox list, is that this is phrased as KDE Integration.
 
 Using the KDE file dialog would be KDE specific integration, using the user 
 configured default application for a certain task is not.
 
 That would be Free Software Desktop integration, i.e. folling the mime-apps-
 spec: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/mime-apps-spec/

I don't know enough to know the correct semantics.

I do know:

(1) 'this' has been talked about for a very long time, admittedly in 'drips and 
drabs', as a KDE + Firefox issue.   Specifically getting Firefox to use Dolphin.

(2) The Opensuse 'patches' have been specifically for use in KDE, and have been 
called in packaging 'mozilla-kde4-integration' and 'kmozillahelper'

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Re: [kde] KDE + Firefox integration: restart?

2014-07-08 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2014-07-08, 08:49:24, grantksupp...@operamail.com wrote:
 Hi
 
 On Tue, Jul 8, 2014, at 08:43 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote:
  First of all, thanks for stepping up and getting the discussion going
  again.
  
  One thing that strikes me as wrong though, considering the comments on the
  Firefox list, is that this is phrased as KDE Integration.
  
  Using the KDE file dialog would be KDE specific integration, using the
  user
  configured default application for a certain task is not.
  
  That would be Free Software Desktop integration, i.e. folling the
  mime-apps- spec:
  http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/mime-apps-spec/
 I don't know enough to know the correct semantics.
 
 I do know:
 
 (1) 'this' has been talked about for a very long time, admittedly in 'drips
 and drabs', as a KDE + Firefox issue.   Specifically getting Firefox to use
 Dolphin.
 
 (2) The Opensuse 'patches' have been specifically for use in KDE, and have
 been called in packaging 'mozilla-kde4-integration' and 'kmozillahelper'

Sure, but time has moved on and default application handling is now covered by 
a cross-desktop specification.
This is no longer about having KDE Workspace specific code, framing it as such 
hides the actual scope.

Cheers,
Kevin

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Re: [kde] [opensuse-factory-mozilla] Re: KDE + Firefox integration: restart?

2014-07-08 Thread grantksupport
Hi,

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014, at 08:59 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote:
 Sure, but time has moved on and default application handling is now covered 
 by 
 a cross-desktop specification.
 This is no longer about having KDE Workspace specific code, framing it as 
 such 
 hides the actual scope.

Would that by chance be the 'xdg-tools file dialog' as used by Google Chrome 
already,

 Use KDE file dialogs
  https://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/152179-use-kde-file-dialogs/ 

?
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Re: [kde] [opensuse-factory-mozilla] Re: KDE + Firefox integration: restart?

2014-07-08 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Tuesday, 2014-07-08, 09:04:39, grantksupp...@operamail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Tue, Jul 8, 2014, at 08:59 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote:
  Sure, but time has moved on and default application handling is now
  covered by a cross-desktop specification.
  This is no longer about having KDE Workspace specific code, framing it as
  such hides the actual scope.
 
 Would that by chance be the 'xdg-tools file dialog' as used by Google Chrome
 already,
 
  Use KDE file dialogs
   https://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/152179-use-kde-file-dialogs/

No, kdialog usage is indeed KDE tools specific.

Cheers,
Kevin
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KDE user support, developer mentoring


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Re: [kde] [opensuse-factory-mozilla] Re: KDE + Firefox integration: restart?

2014-07-08 Thread grantksupport
Hi,

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014, at 09:10 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote:
  Would that by chance be the 'xdg-tools file dialog' as used by Google Chrome
  already,
  
   Use KDE file dialogs
https://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/152179-use-kde-file-dialogs/
 
 No, kdialog usage is indeed KDE tools specific.

Ok.

I'm understanding enough to know that this is a pretty important idea.

I'm confused/ignorant enough about the tech atm as to know what, specifically, 
to suggest or recommend.

That said, could *you* spare a moment to share your knowledgeable 
comments/recommendations about this @ this 'consolidating' thread

Firefox + KDE integration: Getting FF to use Dolphin reliably. 12+ 
years and counting.
 https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/firefox-dev/2014-July/001940.html

?

Your creds, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer, KDE user support, developer 
mentoring, play much better than mine, Just a user, here ...

And, it might well result in getting on track with a broader, more-modern 
solution!

Thanks!
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