[kde] Re: Mounting a CIFS network share in Dolphin
On Saturday 25 Jun 2011 17:21:02 Duncan wrote: Ettore Atalan posted on Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:36:13 +0200 as excerpted: I wanted to mount a CIFS network share in Dolphin, but there (right click on the window - Create New - Link to Device - ?) is only an option for NFS shares. I cannot mount CIFS shares via fstab, because the share is not always available and would cause timeouts on bootup or shutdown. I don't do network shares (of either type) here, but see the Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network thread, original post by John Woodhouse, posted back on Fri, 20 May 2011 15:50:59 -0700 (PDT). (KDE should have an archive if you need it, or for sure gmane.org does, as I use its news server to follow the list tho it has a web version too.) The gist is that kde's network share support is either buggy or incomplete as of 4.6, with some support but various specific problems. As I said I don't do network shares here, so won't attempt more detail of something I don't know about. But that thread's the closest related discussion I've seen here recently. I'm a bit bemused by all this. I run nfs4 mounts on several partitions and drives on my server, and frequently play music from them. I don't have any problems, and I've been doing this for quite a while. I mount them in fstab. Currently my kde is 4.6.4. Anne -- New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Mounting a CIFS network share in Dolphin
- Original Message - From: Anne Wilson cannewil...@googlemail.com To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2011, 9:54 Subject: [kde] Re: Mounting a CIFS network share in Dolphin On Saturday 25 Jun 2011 17:21:02 Duncan wrote: Ettore Atalan posted on Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:36:13 +0200 as excerpted: I wanted to mount a CIFS network share in Dolphin, but there (right click on the window - Create New - Link to Device - ?) is only an option for NFS shares. I cannot mount CIFS shares via fstab, because the share is not always available and would cause timeouts on bootup or shutdown. I don't do network shares (of either type) here, but see the Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network thread, original post by John Woodhouse, posted back on Fri, 20 May 2011 15:50:59 -0700 (PDT). (KDE should have an archive if you need it, or for sure gmane.org does, as I use its news server to follow the list tho it has a web version too.) The gist is that kde's network share support is either buggy or incomplete as of 4.6, with some support but various specific problems. As I said I don't do network shares here, so won't attempt more detail of something I don't know about. But that thread's the closest related discussion I've seen here recently. I'm a bit bemused by all this. I run nfs4 mounts on several partitions and drives on my server, and frequently play music from them. I don't have any problems, and I've been doing this for quite a while. I mount them in fstab. Currently my kde is 4.6.4. Anne The problem may be distro and release specific Ann. My impression was that the file path access rights listed in the .desktop files is broken. I found that kwrite would work perfectly with files on my nas ie I could read from, update, save, drag and click launch. Little else would work and gave the message you can only access local files. I set up samba which I assume you have as well. This was better but for click launch, save, drag drop and irritating delays while parsing out directory trees on the nas. I also used kde auto mounter initially to mount the nas. Resulted in 10 plus seconds of dead desktop on boot. More than enough time to try and access the nas or anything else for that matter. I've asked a question on the forum about just how deep kde should try and go into the system. Mounts are usually buried in what might be called the main boot. Then used fstab but the delays and problems were the same. The error message originates from one of a few k.so files. Some of this may have been down to me not setting up NSF on my nas correctly. There is a checkbox but also another to tell the nas to load it. As a result all transfers were via CIFS even though set up for NFS. I did get NFS to work but it didn't make any difference. Finally decided to ditch samba and just use mount-cifs. The other point I should make is that I have no interest in shares on my machine. I have set up shares on the nas for if they are needed which in my case is doubtful. On that basis there is no point in me running samba. It's just an added complication. There is also an impact on the NAS. It's a dearer cheap one and the blurb points out that loading additional protocols other than the default CIFS will have an impact on performance. Few people can justify the cost of truly high performance nas's so this will apply to the vast bulk of them. It's very honest of D-Link to admit it. As to mount-cifs I did find some of the bleats that lead to it being crippled. Seems to me that samba has the same problem - it relates to passwords. To me all it really needs is something to tie down specific users to specific areas of remote disk space. ALL that does that at the moment is an access password. Groups can be used to augment that though. It also needs something to click launch a mount or group of mounts. As the utility stands it isn't even possible to use it in a shell script intended to get that password and mount the directory for the user. As to CIFS it seems it was originally intended for diskless work stations. This is very similar to nas use. Now I have one I wonder why I didn't buy one a long time ago. It's cheap easy redundant storage. I have always preferred that to backups. I now have some where to put them should I ever feel the need. Currently I run raid 5 on my desktop. Starting from scratch a mirrored raid nas would have saved me rather a lot of money. My attitude to back ups by the way comes from having to deal with truly mission critical software professionally. Basically in many cases disc redundancy is the best option. The thought of using diskless work stations in that sort of area is intriguing. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http
[kde] Re: Mounting a CIFS network share in Dolphin
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Ettore Atalan atalantt...@googlemail.com wrote: I cannot mount CIFS shares via fstab, because the share is not always available and would cause timeouts on bootup or shutdown. While it doesn't answer your original question, do look into the _netdev mount option. From the man page of mount; FILESYSTEM INDEPENDENT MOUNT OPTIONS [...] _netdev The filesystem resides on a device that requires network access (used to prevent the system from attempting to mount these filesystems until the network has been enabled on the system). JR ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Mounting a CIFS network share in Dolphin
Ettore Atalan posted on Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:36:13 +0200 as excerpted: I wanted to mount a CIFS network share in Dolphin, but there (right click on the window - Create New - Link to Device - ?) is only an option for NFS shares. I cannot mount CIFS shares via fstab, because the share is not always available and would cause timeouts on bootup or shutdown. I don't do network shares (of either type) here, but see the Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network thread, original post by John Woodhouse, posted back on Fri, 20 May 2011 15:50:59 -0700 (PDT). (KDE should have an archive if you need it, or for sure gmane.org does, as I use its news server to follow the list tho it has a web version too.) The gist is that kde's network share support is either buggy or incomplete as of 4.6, with some support but various specific problems. As I said I don't do network shares here, so won't attempt more detail of something I don't know about. But that thread's the closest related discussion I've seen here recently. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Mounting a CIFS network share in Dolphin
- Original Message - From: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2011, 17:21 Subject: [kde] Re: Mounting a CIFS network share in Dolphin Ettore Atalan posted on Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:36:13 +0200 as excerpted: I wanted to mount a CIFS network share in Dolphin, but there (right click on the window - Create New - Link to Device - ?) is only an option for NFS shares. I cannot mount CIFS shares via fstab, because the share is not always available and would cause timeouts on bootup or shutdown. I don't do network shares (of either type) here, but see the Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network thread, original post by John Woodhouse, posted back on Fri, 20 May 2011 15:50:59 -0700 (PDT). (KDE should have an archive if you need it, or for sure gmane.org does, as I use its news server to follow the list tho it has a web version too.) The gist is that kde's network share support is either buggy or incomplete as of 4.6, with some support but various specific problems. As I said I don't do network shares here, so won't attempt more detail of something I don't know about. But that thread's the closest related discussion I've seen here recently. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. The last post I made was on the 7th June. Should point out though that my kde opensuse 4.6.0 DIDN'T offer a choice of types of mount when using dolphin's connect to microsoft network drive. This works correctly with some applications such as kwrite and interestingly transfers in cif even when I arranged things to run NFS in several ways as I didn't fully enable nfs on my nas. My final solution was to forget dolphin, samba etc and use mount-cifs which is native to the kernel and completely stand alone. Problem even here though. The current version of mount-cifs has to be compiled with an option to allow ordinary users to use it. As it stands a user needs the root password to use their nas password. I solved this by extracting mount and unmount cifs from an rpm intended for opensuse 11.2. To keep things simple I assigned the nas to a fixed ip address with my router. End result is that the using the nas is just like using a local disk. once it's mounted. Same arrangement could be used with a cifs server. Didn't in capitals as an upgrade seems to have removed the connect to a microsoft network drive however I may have forgotten just where that was. I've bugged this aspect of mount-cifs and had a won't fix reply. I re opened it with comments because I feel it should be available and using it in this way should be down to the user not the distro. Seems some have questioned mount-cifs security. No evidence I can find but it hasn't been security scanned so has been crippled. Bit silly really. No progress on a shell script to tidy up mounting. Too busy on other things at the moment. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
