Re: [kde] Virtually Invisible Panel Clock
Duncan wrote: > Felix Miata posted on Fri, 31 May 2013 04:51:47 -0400 as excerpted: > >>> Try to do a right-click on the clock, I have an option "settings for >>> digital clock". Here I can change the color of the font , if the font >>> should have a shadow and in which color. >> >> I'm not interested in fixing it for each and every new user. I want >> idiotic default invisibility avoided somehow, like it used to be, black >> text on whatever light background color, or white text on whatever dark >> background color. I need to find out what's responsible for the insanity >> before I can chose whether and where to file a bug about it. >> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/kdemageialowfipanelclock1200-120.png > > While I agree filing a bug is appropriate, there's a way to set site > defaults as well, so you don't have to do it per-user, only per site. > > With some exceptions there's multiple locations possible for each config > file, the user's location in $KDEHOME (defaulting to $HOME/.kde as > shipped by kde, some distros change that to ~/.kde4), and various system > config locations as listed in $KDEDIRS Unfortunately, config overrides do not work for plasma stuff in general. It requires javascript snippets or customized plasma themes. -- rex ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Virtually Invisible Panel Clock
Felix Miata posted on Fri, 31 May 2013 04:51:47 -0400 as excerpted: >> Try to do a right-click on the clock, I have an option "settings for >> digital clock". Here I can change the color of the font , if the font >> should have a shadow and in which color. > > I'm not interested in fixing it for each and every new user. I want > idiotic default invisibility avoided somehow, like it used to be, black > text on whatever light background color, or white text on whatever dark > background color. I need to find out what's responsible for the insanity > before I can chose whether and where to file a bug about it. > http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/kdemageialowfipanelclock1200-120.png While I agree filing a bug is appropriate, there's a way to set site defaults as well, so you don't have to do it per-user, only per site. With some exceptions there's multiple locations possible for each config file, the user's location in $KDEHOME (defaulting to $HOME/.kde as shipped by kde, some distros change that to ~/.kde4), and various system config locations as listed in $KDEDIRS (note the plural, multiple locations possible so you can stack your own custom site config on top of your distro's config and not have to worry about distro package update overwrites). The KDEDIRS unset default is often /usr/, as most distros ship it. Which means that in many cases, once you find the appropriate file in ~/.kde/share/config/ (or sometimes share/apps instead), with the appropriate settings set for that user, copy that file to /usr/share/config/ , and it'll likely work. One of the exceptions, however, is some of the plasma settings. If yet another plasma setting isn't set, some parts of a new user's plasma config are effectively created dynamically, and you either have to change the setting that prevents that, or find the scripting that does the dynamic creation and rewrite it to do it your way. Without actually trying it, however, I wouldn't know whether the clock font color settings are part of the dynamic config or part of the config that simply copying the appropriate file over to a system location takes care of for everyone (who hasn't already set it themselves). See the kde sysadmin guide on techbase.kde.org for more: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration In particular: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/KDE_Filesystem_Hierarchy Tho that doesn't cover the plasma exceptions I mentioned. Try this for that. And yes, I see digital clock color and font settings mentioned... http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Virtually Invisible Panel Clock
Mirosław Zalewski posted on Fri, 31 May 2013 11:05:34 +0200 as excerpted: > On 31/05/2013 at 03:22, Felix Miata wrote: > >> $SUBJECT was meant literally: >> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/kdemageialowfipanelclock1200-120.png >> >> Not nice, and looks the same in 4.10.3 in Fedora and openSUSE. > > Yes, I can reproduce. It seems that default plasma theme provides > transparent panels and white text. It does look nice if you use dark > wallpaper (which perhaps should be default). If you change wallpaper to > lighter or white, reading may be difficult. > Perhaps there is not much that can be done on plasma level. It should > know what color wallpaper is and change theme color accordingly (much as > Windows 8 does, I believe). IIRC themes do have the ability to do a contrast-blur around text. I recall having that problem with something or other and looking into it at one point. (IIRC it was plasma popup text in my case.) However, I'm not sure that applies to ALL text; it may only apply where there's specific code for it for that item (as there might have been for what I was looking at). And even if it can be generically applied, the need for it isn't always intuitive unless theme devs try their theme against enough different backgrounds, since theme developers are likely to either have a particular background applied and in mind while they're testing, or if not a particular background, at least a light/dark background preference, so testing against the other is unlikely unless the thought of possible contrast issues occurs and they're deliberately testing for them. In theory at least, the kde shipped themes should be tested for such contrast issues and the contrast-blur should be applied where necessary, but as the saying goes, in theory, theory and practice are the same, too. =:^\ -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Virtually Invisible Panel Clock
On 31/05/2013 at 03:22, Felix Miata wrote: > $SUBJECT was meant literally: > http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/kdemageialowfipanelclock1200-120.png > > Not nice, and looks the same in 4.10.3 in Fedora and openSUSE. Yes, I can reproduce. It seems that default plasma theme provides transparent panels and white text. It does look nice if you use dark wallpaper (which perhaps should be default). If you change wallpaper to lighter or white, reading may be difficult. Perhaps there is not much that can be done on plasma level. It should know what color wallpaper is and change theme color accordingly (much as Windows 8 does, I believe). Until then, you can simply right click on clock → Digital Clock Setting. In Appearance "tab" there is checkbox labeled "Custom font color". Just check it and change color to black (or anything you prefer). -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Virtually Invisible Panel Clock
On 2013-05-31 10:28 (GMT+0200) tors...@tfrey.de composed: Felix Miata composed in English: On 2013-05-30 22:10 (GMT-0400) Doug composed: Maybe there's a way in your distro to change the taskbar color? Of course there is. That's not the point, which is it should be legible with whatever theming the distro uses as default. What point is there in a theme that makes the clock nearly invisible no matter how big it is? If I understand correctly you want to change the color of the clock? I have openSuse, but I think this is KDE and does not depend on the distro. Try to do a right-click on the clock, I have an option "settings for digital clock". Here I can change the color of the font , if the font should have a shadow and in which color. I'm not interested in fixing it for each and every new user. I want idiotic default invisibility avoided somehow, like it used to be, black text on whatever light background color, or white text on whatever dark background color. I need to find out what's responsible for the insanity before I can chose whether and where to file a bug about it. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/kdemageialowfipanelclock1200-120.png -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Virtually Invisible Panel Clock
Am 31.05.2013 04:35, schrieb Felix Miata: On 2013-05-30 22:10 (GMT-0400) Doug composed: Maybe there's a way in your distro to change the taskbar color? Of course there is. That's not the point, which is it should be legible with whatever theming the distro uses as default. What point is there in a theme that makes the clock nearly invisible no matter how big it is? If I understand correctly you want to change the color of the clock? I have openSuse, but I think this is KDE and does not depend on the distro. Try to do a right-click on the clock, I have an option "settings for digital clock". Here I can change the color of the font , if the font should have a shadow and in which color. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Virtually Invisible Panel Clock
On 2013-05-30 22:10 (GMT-0400) Doug composed: Maybe there's a way in your distro to change the taskbar color? Of course there is. That's not the point, which is it should be legible with whatever theming the distro uses as default. What point is there in a theme that makes the clock nearly invisible no matter how big it is? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Virtually Invisible Panel Clock
On 05/30/2013 09:22 PM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-05-30 21:01 (GMT-0400) Doug composed: Felix Miata wrote: Regardless of distro, every new install I can recall in the last year or more the panel clock is all but useless. Why doesn't any theme used by default or containing string "upstream" in Fedora, openSUSE or Mageia have a legible clock (same as the adjacent icons, like Klipper and the panel settings button)? I don't know about the other distros, but in PCLinuxOS, there is a nice digital clock at the right end of the "panel" or task-bar. $SUBJECT was meant literally: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/kdemageialowfipanelclock1200-120.png Not nice, and looks the same in 4.10.3 in Fedora and openSUSE. I don't know how to copy images to email, but my taskbar in PCLOS is black, and the numbers are white. Very easy to read. Maybe there's a way in your distro to change the taskbar color? --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Virtually Invisible Panel Clock
On 2013-05-30 21:01 (GMT-0400) Doug composed: Felix Miata wrote: Regardless of distro, every new install I can recall in the last year or more the panel clock is all but useless. Why doesn't any theme used by default or containing string "upstream" in Fedora, openSUSE or Mageia have a legible clock (same as the adjacent icons, like Klipper and the panel settings button)? I don't know about the other distros, but in PCLinuxOS, there is a nice digital clock at the right end of the "panel" or task-bar. $SUBJECT was meant literally: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/kdemageialowfipanelclock1200-120.png Not nice, and looks the same in 4.10.3 in Fedora and openSUSE. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Virtually Invisible Panel Clock
On 05/30/2013 08:26 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Regardless of distro, every new install I can recall in the last year or more the panel clock is all but useless. Why doesn't any theme used by default or containing string "upstream" in Fedora, openSUSE or Mageia have a legible clock (same as the adjacent icons, like Klipper and the panel settings button)? I don't know about the other distros, but in PCLinuxOS, there is a nice digital clock at the right end of the "panel" or task-bar. Which is on the bottom, where I, at least, believe it ought to be. Right now it clearly says "08:56 PM" and under it, in smaller characters, "05/30/13." That's the KDE desktop, BTW. I'm not sure, but I think it can be made to read 24 hour time, if you like. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Virtually Invisible Panel Clock
Regardless of distro, every new install I can recall in the last year or more the panel clock is all but useless. Why doesn't any theme used by default or containing string "upstream" in Fedora, openSUSE or Mageia have a legible clock (same as the adjacent icons, like Klipper and the panel settings button)? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
