Re: [kde] application starter, etc
On 2011/08/07 22:13 (GMT) Duncan composed: Felix Miata composed: Which package should provide the panel? It sounds like the functional package is installed, since you're getting a desktop at all. The panel, the desktop, that's all part of plasma (the binary is plasma-desktop, the packages would include plasma-runtime, no such package plasma-workspace, no such package plasma-apps, no such package libplasmagenericshell, libplasmaclock, Both installed. kdeplasma-addons, Installing this would pull 77 runner, applet, wallpaper, dataengine groups, plus 7 more libs, & marble-common. Plus plasma-desktoptheme-default, which I installed, but didn't help. etc, or possibly kdebase-runtime and kdebase-workspace, if mandriva is packaging the unsplit upstream kde tarballs). However, it sounds like you may be missing an icons package, or more likely, the KDE SYstem COnfig CAche (sycoca) is screwed up and/or you have some vital environmental settings badly messed up. Does mandriva still use their own menu system as they used to, years ago? If so, it could be related to that and nothing other distros would even know about. I think the massive differences were dispensed with several years ago. I decided to evaluate another approach, 'urpmi task-kde4-minimal --no-suggests', which wants to install the following 15 packages: ark dolphin keditbookmarks kfind kmozillahelper kwrite libdolphinprivate4 libkbookmarkmodel_private4 libkerfuffle4 libkonq5 libpsync1 plasma-applet-folderview plasma-desktoptheme-aya plasma-wallpaper-timeoftheday task-kde4-minimal So I tried picking likely candidates for genuine deps, one by one, except with both plasma-desktoptheme-default and plasma-desktoptheme-rosa already installed, none except maybe folderview look like real deps. So I tried urpme plasma-desktoptheme-rosa, and it wants to remove kdebase4-workspace, plasma-desktoptheme-default, rosa-launcher & rosapanel. After seeing a lot of rosas mentioned in thread subjects on the Mandriva mailing list lately, and with 2011 still in RC, I suppose rosa may be the only available launcher, and broken. I think I'll just give up on this until after 2011 gets past RC. FWIW, this is what *kdm*, *kde* & *plasma* are installed: free-kde4-config-2011-0.85-mdv2011.0.noarch kde4-nsplugins-4.6.5-8-mdv2011.0.i586 kde4-splash-mdv-2010.1.0-3-mdv2011.0.i586 kde4-windeco-dekorator-0.5.1-6-mdv2011.0.i586 kdeadmin4-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.i586 kdeartwork4-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.i586 kdeartwork4-color-schemes-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.noarch kdeartwork4-emoticons-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.noarch kdeartwork4-kscreensaver-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.i586 kdeartwork4-sounds-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.noarch kdeartwork4-styles-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.i586 kdeartwork4-wallpapers-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.noarch kdebase4-runtime-4.6.5-6-mdv2011.0.i586 kdebase4-workspace-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 kdebase4-workspace-googlegadgets-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 kdegraphics4-core-4.6.5-3-mdv2011.0.i586 kde-l10n-en_US-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.noarch kdelibs4-core-4.6.5-8-mdv2011.0.i586 kdepimlibs4-core-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.i586 kdm-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 kdmfprintplugin-0.0-0.1050414.5-mdv2011.0.i586 libakonadi-kde4-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.i586 libkde3support4-4.6.5-8-mdv2011.0.i586 libkdecorations4-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 libkdecore5-4.6.5-8-mdv2011.0.i586 libkdefakes5-4.6.5-8-mdv2011.0.i586 libkdesu5-4.6.5-8-mdv2011.0.i586 libkdeui5-4.6.5-8-mdv2011.0.i586 libkdewebkit5-4.6.5-8-mdv2011.0.i586 libkwineffects1-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 liblockdev1-1.0.3-12-mdv2011.0.i586 libplasma3-4.6.5-8-mdv2011.0.i586 libplasma_applet_system_monitor4-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 libplasmaclock4-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 libplasmagenericshell4-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 libplasma-geolocation-interface4-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 mandriva-kde4-config-common-2011-0.85-mdv2011.0.noarch mandriva-kde-icons-1.0.4-13-mdv2011.0.noarch mandriva-kde-translation-2011-1-mdv2011.0.noarch plasma-applet-calculator-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.i586 plasma-applet-folderview-4.6.5-8-mdv2011.0.i586 plasma-applet-showdesktop-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.i586 plasma-applet-stackfolder-0.1.9-12-mdv2011.0.i586 plasma-applet-system-monitor-cpu-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 plasma-applet-system-monitor-hdd-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 plasma-applet-system-monitor-hwinfo-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 plasma-applet-system-monitor-net-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 plasma-applet-system-monitor-temperature-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 plasma-desktoptheme-default-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.i586 plasma-desktoptheme-rosa-1.2.0-4-mdv2011.0.noarch plasma-scriptengine-python-4.6.5-5-mdv2011.0.i586 polkit-kde-agent-1-0.99.0-3-mdv2011.0.i586 python-kde4-4.6.5-1-mdv2011.0.i586 xsettings-kde-0.11-5-mdv2011.0.i586 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://m
Re: [kde] application starter, etc
Felix Miata posted on Sun, 07 Aug 2011 16:01:46 -0400 as excerpted: > What package is supposed to provide a home for this? Apparently > Mandriva's 4.6.5 doesn't include it as a dep of anything necessary to > reach a KDE desktop. Startx gets me a KDE desktop, but most icons are > missing, including the default app starter icon. There's a white X on a > red background at the left end of the panel, and to its right are 5 > empties, then tools. RMB on the X produces no response. LMB on it > produces a list of 3 items: AROSA starter settings, Panel options & > Remove this AROSA starter. > > Similar question for systemsettings. It opens, but none of its > selections open. > > Kcmshell4 can't find some basic modules either. Grepping for locale in > --list output produces nothing. > > Which package should provide the panel? It sounds like the functional package is installed, since you're getting a desktop at all. The panel, the desktop, that's all part of plasma (the binary is plasma-desktop, the packages would include plasma-runtime, plasma-workspace, plasma-apps, libplasmagenericshell, libplasmaclock, kdeplasma-addons, etc, or possibly kdebase-runtime and kdebase-workspace, if mandriva is packaging the unsplit upstream kde tarballs). However, it sounds like you may be missing an icons package, or more likely, the KDE SYstem COnfig CAche (sycoca) is screwed up and/or you have some vital environmental settings badly messed up. Does mandriva still use their own menu system as they used to, years ago? If so, it could be related to that and nothing other distros would even know about. Try manually running... kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental ...(as your user), and see if that helps. You can also try... kbuildsycoca4 --global ...as root. If that doesn't work, from a konsole window, try... export | grep KDE and... export | grep XDG Those last two won't change anything, but they'll give you a list of the KDE and XDG (freedesktop.org/X) variables that are set. In particular, pay attention to the KDEHOME and KDEDIRS and XDG_CONFIG_* and XDG_DATA_* vars, if set. Those should be paths to the system and user config and data dirs, including the locations where the *.desktop files that provide the menu should be. You can either look them over and try to change them yourself if need be, or post them here, if desired. Or, if they seem to be really strange, you may wish to simply unset them wherever they're being set, before or as KDE starts, and see if the built-in defaults for when the vars are unset do any better. If you need further help, knowing where mandriva puts its kde would be useful. It's probably either /usr/, or possibly /usr/local/ or /opt/. If the KDEDIRS var is set, it should point to it. If not, your path probably includes the related bin-dir (/usr/bin, /opt/bin, /usr/local/ bin, /usr/kde/bin, or some such). Try running... which plasma-desktop ... and reporting the results. Here on Gentoo, the result is /usr/bin/plasma-desktop ... and KDEDIRS is defaulting (because it's not set) to /usr/ . -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] application starter, etc
What package is supposed to provide a home for this? Apparently Mandriva's 4.6.5 doesn't include it as a dep of anything necessary to reach a KDE desktop. Startx gets me a KDE desktop, but most icons are missing, including the default app starter icon. There's a white X on a red background at the left end of the panel, and to its right are 5 empties, then tools. RMB on the X produces no response. LMB on it produces a list of 3 items: AROSA starter settings, Panel options & Remove this AROSA starter. Similar question for systemsettings. It opens, but none of its selections open. Kcmshell4 can't find some basic modules either. Grepping for locale in --list output produces nothing. Which package should provide the panel? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
