Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
Am Samstag 26 Mai 2012, 20:31:11 schrieb Marcelo Magno T. Sales: Em sábado, 26 de maio de 2012, às 19:01:40, dE . escreveu: On 05/25/12 01:05, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: 2012/5/24 Stef Bons...@bononline.nl: On 05/24/2012 07:22 PM, Nowardev-Team wrote: NB THE bash script must be executable to do that just do chmod +x your_name_bashscript_for_xrandr *to see your aviable options you can just type on konsole xrandr * No, it's just possible using the display settings in the settings. Select Display and Monitor, select Multiple Monitors, and there you are. It works very good. Stef It works, but after a reboot KDE forgets what had been configured and goes back to clone mode again. Even if you Save as default in System Settings, the configuration is lost after a reboot. Is there a way to make it stick? Thanks, Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. This's not reproducible in my case, which version of KDE are you running? ___ [...] I'm running 4.8.2, Ubuntu packages. However, since yesterday, the configuration saved as default in System Settings began to stick. Now I can logout and login again and the monitors configuration stays as I had left it. I didn't do anything different, there were no updates... Don't know why it works now (not complaining, not complaining at all! :) ) It seems to be somewhat sticky, but it also depends on what monitors you have attached to when you login, the thing boots etc. Just to side step this (and because I want to drove two external screens and need to switch off the laptop panel for that to work before hand) I have two scripts with xrandr in them. Stephan ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
I recently did this too, lets see what happens. - Support software for non profit, buy Android phones. On Jun 1, 2012 6:13 AM, James bjloc...@lockie.ca wrote: On 05/28/12 22:50, Duncan wrote: James posted on Mon, 28 May 2012 20:40:22 -0400 as excerpted: James posted on Mon, 28 May 2012 20:40:22 -0400 as excerpted: On 05/28/12 19:34, Duncan wrote: bjlockie posted on Mon, 28 May 2012 13:39:53 -0400 as excerpted: Duncan posted... Turning off semantic-desktop at build-time, no nepomuk, no akonadi (which means no kdepim, I switched mail/contacts and feeds to claws-mail, always used pan for news, and never used the rest of the kdepim stuff), no rasqal or redland, no virtuoso, no mysql, strigi still installed as parts of kde need its headers to build, but without a backend so it's emasculated... turning all that off at build-time and building without it... was the missing magic. Without it, I can now say kde4's better than kde3! It's ironic, tho, because all that semantic-desktop stuff was major bullet- point-features of kde4, so to have to build kde4 without it in ordered to finally get a kde4 that not only matches but surpasses kde3 for me, ironic indeed! =:^) Are there instructions for doing that? On gentoo? It's just standard gentoo USE flags, in general. The two catches for gentooers are that (1) the semantic-desktop USE flag is an = dependency, meaning that to turn it off anywhere in kde you must turn it off for everything (that's actually somewhat stricter than the upstream kde requirements, AFAIK, where if you have it on in say dolphin you have to have it on in kdelibs, but to have it on in kdelibs doesn't require it in dolphin), and that (2) because pretty much all of kdepim requires kdepim-common-libs, kdepim-common-libs in turn requires akonadi (akonadi-server on gentoo), and akonadi in turn requires USE=semantic- desktop, in ordered to turn semantic-desktop off on gentoo you pretty much cannot have anything kdepim (including kmail, akregator, kaddressbook, knode, korganizer, etc) installed -- you gotta use something else for them. Then once you turn off USE=semantic-desktop, an emerge --depclean peels away a lot of dependencies, and once those are peeled away, other formerly required USE flags (like rasqual) can be turned off, which in turn allows emerge --depclean to clean out even more formerly required packages. Building from source manually or using non-gentoo scripts? [snip] If I remove sematic-desktop from /etc/make.conf, will anything put it back? OK, so gentoo (or perhaps funtoo or...) then. Good. That's easier. FWIW, here what I did is set -semantic-desktop, not simply remove it. That way if anything has it set as a package-default-use, the specific negative use flag overrides, where simply having it not set won't. With the other, related flags (which generally decide which backends get built, without semantic-desktop the backends aren't needed either): -semantic-desktop -raptor -redland -virtuoso Also -clucene and -hyperestraier, but depending on what else you have installed (especially web-app packages), you may need to keep these on, or set the use in make.conf one way and setup package.use for whatever packages you might want the other. Meanwhile, FWIW, I don't have all kde installed. What I do is take the sets from the kde overlay (I have the portage 2.2 series unmasked here, for full sets support), copy them to /etc/portage/sets and rename them with my initials so I can tell mine from the default overlay sets, then I edit them. All library lines get commented (see below for why I don't simply delete them) as they'll be pulled in by apps that need them. Apps lines I don't want/need or that I /know/ are deps of something else listed also get commented. Every six-month feature upgrade, so from 4.7 to 4.8, for instance, kde upstream changes some of the names, so gentoo does as well. Sometimes individual packages will switch sets (so from say kde-utils to kde- graphics or something) too. Before I do that upgrade, I diff the new set against my initialed set, so I can see what packages got added/deleted, look up what a new package does if necessary, then add that line, commented or uncommented, to my edited set, as well. By keeping the commented package lines in the set, it keeps the lines lined up between my edited copy and the sets from the overlay, so it's easier to see what changed. If you don't have the overlay installed or haven't unmasked portage 2.2 so don't yet have full sets support, you could do the same with the metapackages (kdemultimedia-meta, etc), and just copy them to your local overlay. I just happened to get started with the sets first, when gentoo kde4 was still overlay-only, so that's what I continue to use. The main reason I
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
On 05/28/12 22:50, Duncan wrote: James posted on Mon, 28 May 2012 20:40:22 -0400 as excerpted: James posted on Mon, 28 May 2012 20:40:22 -0400 as excerpted: On 05/28/12 19:34, Duncan wrote: bjlockie posted on Mon, 28 May 2012 13:39:53 -0400 as excerpted: Duncan posted... Turning off semantic-desktop at build-time, no nepomuk, no akonadi (which means no kdepim, I switched mail/contacts and feeds to claws-mail, always used pan for news, and never used the rest of the kdepim stuff), no rasqal or redland, no virtuoso, no mysql, strigi still installed as parts of kde need its headers to build, but without a backend so it's emasculated... turning all that off at build-time and building without it... was the missing magic. Without it, I can now say kde4's better than kde3! It's ironic, tho, because all that semantic-desktop stuff was major bullet- point-features of kde4, so to have to build kde4 without it in ordered to finally get a kde4 that not only matches but surpasses kde3 for me, ironic indeed! =:^) Are there instructions for doing that? On gentoo? It's just standard gentoo USE flags, in general. The two catches for gentooers are that (1) the semantic-desktop USE flag is an = dependency, meaning that to turn it off anywhere in kde you must turn it off for everything (that's actually somewhat stricter than the upstream kde requirements, AFAIK, where if you have it on in say dolphin you have to have it on in kdelibs, but to have it on in kdelibs doesn't require it in dolphin), and that (2) because pretty much all of kdepim requires kdepim-common-libs, kdepim-common-libs in turn requires akonadi (akonadi-server on gentoo), and akonadi in turn requires USE=semantic- desktop, in ordered to turn semantic-desktop off on gentoo you pretty much cannot have anything kdepim (including kmail, akregator, kaddressbook, knode, korganizer, etc) installed -- you gotta use something else for them. Then once you turn off USE=semantic-desktop, an emerge --depclean peels away a lot of dependencies, and once those are peeled away, other formerly required USE flags (like rasqual) can be turned off, which in turn allows emerge --depclean to clean out even more formerly required packages. Building from source manually or using non-gentoo scripts? [snip] If I remove sematic-desktop from /etc/make.conf, will anything put it back? OK, so gentoo (or perhaps funtoo or...) then. Good. That's easier. FWIW, here what I did is set -semantic-desktop, not simply remove it. That way if anything has it set as a package-default-use, the specific negative use flag overrides, where simply having it not set won't. With the other, related flags (which generally decide which backends get built, without semantic-desktop the backends aren't needed either): -semantic-desktop -raptor -redland -virtuoso Also -clucene and -hyperestraier, but depending on what else you have installed (especially web-app packages), you may need to keep these on, or set the use in make.conf one way and setup package.use for whatever packages you might want the other. Meanwhile, FWIW, I don't have all kde installed. What I do is take the sets from the kde overlay (I have the portage 2.2 series unmasked here, for full sets support), copy them to /etc/portage/sets and rename them with my initials so I can tell mine from the default overlay sets, then I edit them. All library lines get commented (see below for why I don't simply delete them) as they'll be pulled in by apps that need them. Apps lines I don't want/need or that I /know/ are deps of something else listed also get commented. Every six-month feature upgrade, so from 4.7 to 4.8, for instance, kde upstream changes some of the names, so gentoo does as well. Sometimes individual packages will switch sets (so from say kde-utils to kde- graphics or something) too. Before I do that upgrade, I diff the new set against my initialed set, so I can see what packages got added/deleted, look up what a new package does if necessary, then add that line, commented or uncommented, to my edited set, as well. By keeping the commented package lines in the set, it keeps the lines lined up between my edited copy and the sets from the overlay, so it's easier to see what changed. If you don't have the overlay installed or haven't unmasked portage 2.2 so don't yet have full sets support, you could do the same with the metapackages (kdemultimedia-meta, etc), and just copy them to your local overlay. I just happened to get started with the sets first, when gentoo kde4 was still overlay-only, so that's what I continue to use. The main reason I mention all that, is so you'll understand the following lists, generated by equery. There's likely a few additional kde packages that have the semantic-desktop use flag, for instance. I just don't have them installed so they don't show up in the equery. Here's the list of my
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
If you want a lot of graphical features then XFCE is no option. And no XFCE has a LOT of less bugs, its a lot more stable even than Gnome 2. - Support software for non profit, buy Android phones. On May 28, 2012 2:33 PM, Nowardev-Team nowar...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/5/28 dE . de.tec...@gmail.com That's what KDE is all about. With each release there're more regressions than fixes in an attempt to add new 'features'. You should try XFCE for the ultimate stable experience. i think xfce is an old lame DE that lacks of a LOTS of features and i ma sure that xfce has bugs too. on my eyes has a larger number of bugs because it lacks of the most of stuff i use in kde. i think that saying to try another desktop instead to fix the problem is a stupid way to see the situation. A workaround is to use KDE is Debian stable, that way you can ensure there're no regressions atleast. - Support software for non profit, buy Android phones. On May 27, 2012 5:02 AM, Marcelo Magno T. Sales mmtsa...@gmail.com wrote: ** Em sábado, 26 de maio de 2012, às 19:01:40, dE . escreveu: On 05/25/12 01:05, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: 2012/5/24 Stef Bons...@bononline.nl: On 05/24/2012 07:22 PM, Nowardev-Team wrote: NB THE bash script must be executable to do that just do chmod +x your_name_bashscript_for_xrandr *to see your aviable options you can just type on konsole xrandr * No, it's just possible using the display settings in the settings. Select Display and Monitor, select Multiple Monitors, and there you are. It works very good. Stef It works, but after a reboot KDE forgets what had been configured and goes back to clone mode again. Even if you Save as default in System Settings, the configuration is lost after a reboot. Is there a way to make it stick? Thanks, Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. This's not reproducible in my case, which version of KDE are you running? ___ Hello, I'm running 4.8.2, Ubuntu packages. However, since yesterday, the configuration saved as default in System Settings began to stick. Now I can logout and login again and the monitors configuration stays as I had left it. I didn't do anything different, there were no updates... Don't know why it works now (not complaining, not complaining at all! :) ) However, right after this began to work, this other problem showed up: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300642 It seems I can never have KDE working 100%. Every time I fix a problem, another one shows up. Even so, KDE is still better than the available alternatives. At least KDE ends up doing what I want after some hard work. But Gnome and Unity don't, no matter how hard I try :) []'s Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
That's what KDE is all about. With each release there're more regressions than fixes in an attempt to add new 'features'. You should try XFCE for the ultimate stable experience. A workaround is to use KDE is Debian stable, that way you can ensure there're no regressions atleast. - Support software for non profit, buy Android phones. On May 27, 2012 5:02 AM, Marcelo Magno T. Sales mmtsa...@gmail.com wrote: ** Em sábado, 26 de maio de 2012, às 19:01:40, dE . escreveu: On 05/25/12 01:05, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: 2012/5/24 Stef Bons...@bononline.nl: On 05/24/2012 07:22 PM, Nowardev-Team wrote: NB THE bash script must be executable to do that just do chmod +x your_name_bashscript_for_xrandr *to see your aviable options you can just type on konsole xrandr * No, it's just possible using the display settings in the settings. Select Display and Monitor, select Multiple Monitors, and there you are. It works very good. Stef It works, but after a reboot KDE forgets what had been configured and goes back to clone mode again. Even if you Save as default in System Settings, the configuration is lost after a reboot. Is there a way to make it stick? Thanks, Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. This's not reproducible in my case, which version of KDE are you running? ___ Hello, I'm running 4.8.2, Ubuntu packages. However, since yesterday, the configuration saved as default in System Settings began to stick. Now I can logout and login again and the monitors configuration stays as I had left it. I didn't do anything different, there were no updates... Don't know why it works now (not complaining, not complaining at all! :) ) However, right after this began to work, this other problem showed up: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300642 It seems I can never have KDE working 100%. Every time I fix a problem, another one shows up. Even so, KDE is still better than the available alternatives. At least KDE ends up doing what I want after some hard work. But Gnome and Unity don't, no matter how hard I try :) []'s Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
On Monday, 2012-05-28, dE . wrote: A workaround is to use KDE is Debian stable, that way you can ensure there're no regressions atleast. Or Debian Testing or Unstable for newer versions of some packages. Been doing that successfully since about 2001 IIRC so I wouldn't call it a work around. But I guess it matters less which distribution one uses but more that one understands how the distributions package selection and upgrade process works. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
dE . posted on Mon, 28 May 2012 12:00:15 +0530 as excerpted: That's what KDE is all about. With each release there're more regressions than fixes in an attempt to add new 'features'. You should try XFCE for the ultimate stable experience. FWIW, I'm on gentoo and around the beginning of the kde 4.7 series, I not only turned off semantic-desktop (nepomuk, etc), but set the USE flags to compile kde without it! While I had been and still claim that late 4.5 was finally a match for 3.5.10 and therefore what SHOULD have been 4.0 (with everything before that 3.50+ prereleases for 4.0), I had yet to have a kde4 that worked BETTER for me than 3.5.10. Turning off semantic-desktop at build-time, no nepomuk, no akonadi (which means no kdepim, I switched mail/contacts and feeds to claws-mail, always used pan for news, and never used the rest of the kdepim stuff), no rasqal or redland, no virtuoso, no mysql, strigi still installed as parts of kde need its headers to build, but without a backend so it's emasculated... turning all that off at build-time and building without it... was the missing magic. Without it, I can now say kde4's better than kde3! It's ironic, tho, because all that semantic-desktop stuff was major bullet- point-features of kde4, so to have to build kde4 without it in ordered to finally get a kde4 that not only matches but surpasses kde3 for me, ironic indeed! =:^) But of course most binary distros will come with most or all of that stuff enabled in the pre-built binaries, thus dragging down kde4's performance enormously, and with most people who run kde installing from pre-built binaries, unfortunately, few are going to get the chance to see how kde4 can /really/ perform, without all that stuff dragging it down! I was actually surprised at how much of a difference it made. It honestly felt like I'd just upgraded from a quad-core to a hex-core, or upgraded the clockrate by half a gigahertz! Yes, it really DID make that sort of a difference! =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
2012/5/28 dE . de.tec...@gmail.com That's what KDE is all about. With each release there're more regressions than fixes in an attempt to add new 'features'. You should try XFCE for the ultimate stable experience. i think xfce is an old lame DE that lacks of a LOTS of features and i ma sure that xfce has bugs too. on my eyes has a larger number of bugs because it lacks of the most of stuff i use in kde. i think that saying to try another desktop instead to fix the problem is a stupid way to see the situation. A workaround is to use KDE is Debian stable, that way you can ensure there're no regressions atleast. - Support software for non profit, buy Android phones. On May 27, 2012 5:02 AM, Marcelo Magno T. Sales mmtsa...@gmail.com wrote: ** Em sábado, 26 de maio de 2012, às 19:01:40, dE . escreveu: On 05/25/12 01:05, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: 2012/5/24 Stef Bons...@bononline.nl: On 05/24/2012 07:22 PM, Nowardev-Team wrote: NB THE bash script must be executable to do that just do chmod +x your_name_bashscript_for_xrandr *to see your aviable options you can just type on konsole xrandr * No, it's just possible using the display settings in the settings. Select Display and Monitor, select Multiple Monitors, and there you are. It works very good. Stef It works, but after a reboot KDE forgets what had been configured and goes back to clone mode again. Even if you Save as default in System Settings, the configuration is lost after a reboot. Is there a way to make it stick? Thanks, Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. This's not reproducible in my case, which version of KDE are you running? ___ Hello, I'm running 4.8.2, Ubuntu packages. However, since yesterday, the configuration saved as default in System Settings began to stick. Now I can logout and login again and the monitors configuration stays as I had left it. I didn't do anything different, there were no updates... Don't know why it works now (not complaining, not complaining at all! :) ) However, right after this began to work, this other problem showed up: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300642 It seems I can never have KDE working 100%. Every time I fix a problem, another one shows up. Even so, KDE is still better than the available alternatives. At least KDE ends up doing what I want after some hard work. But Gnome and Unity don't, no matter how hard I try :) []'s Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
Hello Kevin. I was just about to post something like that but it was getting too long. It's a complicated subject. Personally for stability I would go for opensuse 11.4 and only yast for upgrades. They also do a rolling release that will be a little more hairy. Some one from the unbuntu stable might be happier with a move like that. Updating on others can be a bit of a nightmare. :-) Some put me off anyway. There is also plenty of info on using multiple monitors on the opensuse forum. Probably on ubuntu's too as it's a console job and until some one wants kde to do it and can also do the work it will probably remain like that. On the other hand things sometime miraculously cure themselves. Out of interest opensuse 11.4 comes with kde 4.6 and apart from sometime going awol for a short period no doubt accessing the disc's for indexing there are few problems with any of it. Often this involves typing ahead before the desktop catches up , 4 or 5 char. Sometimes it can be as much as 10 secs. If I use the machine all day that might happen 2 or 3 times usually during very heavy web usage with loads of windows up. Also I may have to log in and log out once a month or so or reboot a lot less often. It's been like this since I installed it. :-) Makes me wonder what the updates are for - problems - I had to recompile mount.cifs to get my nas to work as I want again even though I had locked out mount.cifs updates. Nothings perfect that was down to a yast update. John From: Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012, 9:07 Subject: Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde? On Monday, 2012-05-28, dE . wrote: A workaround is to use KDE is Debian stable, that way you can ensure there're no regressions atleast. Or Debian Testing or Unstable for newer versions of some packages. Been doing that successfully since about 2001 IIRC so I wouldn't call it a work around. But I guess it matters less which distribution one uses but more that one understands how the distributions package selection and upgrade process works. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
dE . posted on Mon, 28 May 2012 12:00:15 +0530 as excerpted: Turning off semantic-desktop at build-time, no nepomuk, no akonadi (which means no kdepim, I switched mail/contacts and feeds to claws-mail, always used pan for news, and never used the rest of the kdepim stuff), no rasqal or redland, no virtuoso, no mysql, strigi still installed as parts of kde need its headers to build, but without a backend so it's emasculated... turning all that off at build-time and building without it... was the missing magic. Without it, I can now say kde4's better than kde3! It's ironic, tho, because all that semantic-desktop stuff was major bullet- point-features of kde4, so to have to build kde4 without it in ordered to finally get a kde4 that not only matches but surpasses kde3 for me, ironic indeed! =:^) Are there instructions for doing that? ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
bjlockie posted on Mon, 28 May 2012 13:39:53 -0400 as excerpted: Duncan posted... Turning off semantic-desktop at build-time, no nepomuk, no akonadi (which means no kdepim, I switched mail/contacts and feeds to claws-mail, always used pan for news, and never used the rest of the kdepim stuff), no rasqal or redland, no virtuoso, no mysql, strigi still installed as parts of kde need its headers to build, but without a backend so it's emasculated... turning all that off at build-time and building without it... was the missing magic. Without it, I can now say kde4's better than kde3! It's ironic, tho, because all that semantic-desktop stuff was major bullet- point-features of kde4, so to have to build kde4 without it in ordered to finally get a kde4 that not only matches but surpasses kde3 for me, ironic indeed! =:^) Are there instructions for doing that? On gentoo? It's just standard gentoo USE flags, in general. The two catches for gentooers are that (1) the semantic-desktop USE flag is an = dependency, meaning that to turn it off anywhere in kde you must turn it off for everything (that's actually somewhat stricter than the upstream kde requirements, AFAIK, where if you have it on in say dolphin you have to have it on in kdelibs, but to have it on in kdelibs doesn't require it in dolphin), and that (2) because pretty much all of kdepim requires kdepim-common-libs, kdepim-common-libs in turn requires akonadi (akonadi-server on gentoo), and akonadi in turn requires USE=semantic- desktop, in ordered to turn semantic-desktop off on gentoo you pretty much cannot have anything kdepim (including kmail, akregator, kaddressbook, knode, korganizer, etc) installed -- you gotta use something else for them. Then once you turn off USE=semantic-desktop, an emerge --depclean peels away a lot of dependencies, and once those are peeled away, other formerly required USE flags (like rasqual) can be turned off, which in turn allows emerge --depclean to clean out even more formerly required packages. Building from source manually or using non-gentoo scripts? I know rather less about this by personal experience as I'm a gentooer, but in general, gentoo USE flags pretty directly translate to configure script options, so for each package, when you'd normally run configure, run it with the --help option first, to see what options are available to be turned on/ off and how (usually either --without-someoption or --nosomeoption), and choose accordingly. The gentoo semantic-desktop USE flag corresponds to a number of configure options, however, depending on the package. It toggles nepomuk options in some cases, strigi or soprano options in others, etc. If you want specifics, I can actually take a look at the various gentoo packages that use the flags, and see what options they turn on or off, and post that. But I'm not going to bother looking it up until I know someone's actually going to use the information if I post it. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
On 2012/05/28 08:56 (GMT) Duncan composed: I can now say kde4's better than kde3! Lucky you. I can't: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158556 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283366 -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
On 05/28/12 19:34, Duncan wrote: bjlockie posted on Mon, 28 May 2012 13:39:53 -0400 as excerpted: Duncan posted... Turning off semantic-desktop at build-time, no nepomuk, no akonadi (which means no kdepim, I switched mail/contacts and feeds to claws-mail, always used pan for news, and never used the rest of the kdepim stuff), no rasqal or redland, no virtuoso, no mysql, strigi still installed as parts of kde need its headers to build, but without a backend so it's emasculated... turning all that off at build-time and building without it... was the missing magic. Without it, I can now say kde4's better than kde3! It's ironic, tho, because all that semantic-desktop stuff was major bullet- point-features of kde4, so to have to build kde4 without it in ordered to finally get a kde4 that not only matches but surpasses kde3 for me, ironic indeed! =:^) Are there instructions for doing that? On gentoo? It's just standard gentoo USE flags, in general. The two catches for gentooers are that (1) the semantic-desktop USE flag is an = dependency, meaning that to turn it off anywhere in kde you must turn it off for everything (that's actually somewhat stricter than the upstream kde requirements, AFAIK, where if you have it on in say dolphin you have to have it on in kdelibs, but to have it on in kdelibs doesn't require it in dolphin), and that (2) because pretty much all of kdepim requires kdepim-common-libs, kdepim-common-libs in turn requires akonadi (akonadi-server on gentoo), and akonadi in turn requires USE=semantic- desktop, in ordered to turn semantic-desktop off on gentoo you pretty much cannot have anything kdepim (including kmail, akregator, kaddressbook, knode, korganizer, etc) installed -- you gotta use something else for them. Then once you turn off USE=semantic-desktop, an emerge --depclean peels away a lot of dependencies, and once those are peeled away, other formerly required USE flags (like rasqual) can be turned off, which in turn allows emerge --depclean to clean out even more formerly required packages. Building from source manually or using non-gentoo scripts? I know rather less about this by personal experience as I'm a gentooer, but in general, gentoo USE flags pretty directly translate to configure script options, so for each package, when you'd normally run configure, run it with the --help option first, to see what options are available to be turned on/ off and how (usually either --without-someoption or --nosomeoption), and choose accordingly. The gentoo semantic-desktop USE flag corresponds to a number of configure options, however, depending on the package. It toggles nepomuk options in some cases, strigi or soprano options in others, etc. If you want specifics, I can actually take a look at the various gentoo packages that use the flags, and see what options they turn on or off, and post that. But I'm not going to bother looking it up until I know someone's actually going to use the information if I post it. If I remove sematic-desktop from /etc/make.conf, will anything put it back? ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
Marcelo Magno T. Sales posted on Sat, 26 May 2012 20:31:11 -0300 as excerpted: I'm running 4.8.2, Ubuntu packages. However, since yesterday, the configuration saved as default in System Settings began to stick. Now I can logout and login again and the monitors configuration stays as I had left it. I didn't do anything different, there were no updates... Don't know why it works now (not complaining, not complaining at all! :) ) However, right after this began to work, this other problem showed up: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300642 There's a number of bugs that sounds very much like. Here's the one it sounds most like, except yours isn't NEARLY as bad, with the link to a comment of mine summarizing the fixes that worked for various people. But this one is marked resolved/fixed, so your problem may be related but it shouldn't be exactly the same. However, some of the fixes/workarounds in my list may well help. Panels and windows hidden behind desktop background at start https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260360#c75 (The whole bug history is a rather long, but it reads a bit like a detective novel. Some people, both users and devs, get a bit frustrated, too, spicing it up a bit! If you have time to read it all, it really is fascinating, and gives an interesting glimpse into just how hard some of these bugs are to nail down!) There's another family of bugs that's a bit different, but possibly related, that there's now a somewhat easy fix for. One of the dups is mine (mine was filed earlier but there were more people on the other bug already, so when it became apparent they were dups, I suggested mine dup the later one). Auto-hiding panel sometimes moves to middle of the screen when being viewed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272663 The easy fix is, without kde running, move ~/.kde/share/config/plasma- desktoprc somewhere else (I'd say delete, but moving it is safer, since you can put it back if necessary, ~/.kde is the default from kde, but it's ~/.kde4 on some distros). That file contains mostly trivial settings like which side a panel is on and whether it's always-shown, auto-hide, etc, plus window sizes for a number of dialogs, etc. Nothing so major it's going to be a huge loss. You'll have to reset the panel location and size and perhaps a few other things, but if it's part of the same bug family, deleting the file will fix the problem, and it won't be back, at least immediately. At least with that family of bugs, removing that file is all that's necessary. On my request, someone posted a copy of the bad file, along with a diff between it and what kde recreated that worked correctly, but there wasn't any obviously smoking gun in it, so I still don't know the problem, but hopefully it'll help the devs track it down. Also, my bug report had a bisect to the original commit that first triggered the problem for me, back in 4.6.2 IIRC, tho that commit was a fix for something else and apparently simply triggered a latent bug. But between the two, hopefully a dev now has enough information to be able to fix that when they get a chance to really look into it, now. Anyway, if your bug is fixed by killing plasma-desktoprc, it's very likely a dup of some sort, even if the symptoms are a bit different. I'd suggest putting a link from one bug to the other at least, and letting a kde bug wrangler decide whether to dup it or not, but only if killing plasma-desktoprc fixes the problem. (There's another, similarly named file, plasma-desktop-appletsrc, that is a **VERY** important file for people who've customized quite a bit, as it contains the main configuration for all the panels, activities, etc, along with all the plasmoids they contain. I'd suggest backing up that file, once you get your desktop the way you want it, as it does seem a bit of a magnet for bugs of its own, it's very nearly too complex to properly edit by hand (tho I've done it, but I don't ever want to have to do so again!) and if you end up deleting it, you start from scratch to reconfigure all panels and activities along with the plasmoids in them, which is pretty major if you're as much of a customizer as I am, and it seems you're at least getting there!) It seems I can never have KDE working 100%. Every time I fix a problem, another one shows up. Even so, KDE is still better than the available alternatives. At least KDE ends up doing what I want after some hard work. Yes, indeed. Back in the still extremely broken kde4 days of 4.2 or so, when kde devs were insisting kde4 was ready for normal use at the very same time they continued to say various bits of kde3 functionality weren't yet even ported to kde4, I complained about that, saying no way was it ready for regular use. IMO it only got there with late 4.5, which really should have been 4.0, with 4.2 actually still very alpha (4.3 beta, 4.4 rc...). But thru all of it, I stayed with kde, both
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
On 05/25/12 01:05, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: 2012/5/24 Stef Bons...@bononline.nl: On 05/24/2012 07:22 PM, Nowardev-Team wrote: NB THE bash script must be executable to do that just do chmod +x your_name_bashscript_for_xrandr *to see your aviable options you can just type on konsole xrandr * No, it's just possible using the display settings in the settings. Select Display and Monitor, select Multiple Monitors, and there you are. It works very good. Stef It works, but after a reboot KDE forgets what had been configured and goes back to clone mode again. Even if you Save as default in System Settings, the configuration is lost after a reboot. Is there a way to make it stick? Thanks, Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. This's not reproducible in my case, which version of KDE are you running? ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
Em sábado, 26 de maio de 2012, às 19:01:40, dE . escreveu: On 05/25/12 01:05, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: 2012/5/24 Stef Bons...@bononline.nl: On 05/24/2012 07:22 PM, Nowardev-Team wrote: NB THE bash script must be executable to do that just do chmod +x your_name_bashscript_for_xrandr *to see your aviable options you can just type on konsole xrandr * No, it's just possible using the display settings in the settings. Select Display and Monitor, select Multiple Monitors, and there you are. It works very good. Stef It works, but after a reboot KDE forgets what had been configured and goes back to clone mode again. Even if you Save as default in System Settings, the configuration is lost after a reboot. Is there a way to make it stick? Thanks, Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. This's not reproducible in my case, which version of KDE are you running? ___ Hello, I'm running 4.8.2, Ubuntu packages. However, since yesterday, the configuration saved as default in System Settings began to stick. Now I can logout and login again and the monitors configuration stays as I had left it. I didn't do anything different, there were no updates... Don't know why it works now (not complaining, not complaining at all! :) ) However, right after this began to work, this other problem showed up: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300642 It seems I can never have KDE working 100%. Every time I fix a problem, another one shows up. Even so, KDE is still better than the available alternatives. At least KDE ends up doing what I want after some hard work. But Gnome and Unity don't, no matter how hard I try :) []'s Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
i guess you should use xrandr if you can enable your monitor with xrandr you can create a a bash script like this #!/bin/bash xrandr ...your option xrandr ...another option after you did save this on ~/.kde/Autostart/ so everytime you load kde it will load your script you can do this stuff from systemsettings here http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-gp1841 2012/5/24 Björn Ballard bjorn.ball...@gmail.com I would be grateful for help with this too. I too am using Kubuntu 12.04 (with KDE 4.8.3). I use a laptop exclusively. Whenever I have the external monitor plugged in I have to configure KDE to extend the desktop on to it. I would like to know if it's possible, and how to, store the configuration of external monitor to the left of the laptop with the desktop expanded onto it (instead of cloned), and have it automatically use this configuration only when the external monitor is connected. Many thanks Björn On 24 May 2012 12:53, Marcelo Magno T. Sales mmtsa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I would like to extend my desktop to my second monitor. KDE defaults to clone the image of the main monitor on the secondary monitor. I can setup the desktop the way I want, with the secondary monitor above the primary one, using KDE System Settings. However, this setup does not survive a reboot and every time I turn on the computer, I have to setup the desktop again. Is there a way to make the dual monitors configuration to stick using KDE's GUI tools or do I need to create a xorg.conf file and edit it manually? I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin). Thanks, Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. -- Equal Rights, Representation, Education and Welfare ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
NB THE bash script must be executable to do that just do chmod +x your_name_bashscript_for_xrandr *to see your aviable options you can just type on konsole xrandr * for example #!/bin/bash xrandr --auto --output DVI-0 --mode 1440x900 --right-of DVI-1 2012/5/24 Nowardev-Team nowar...@gmail.com i guess you should use xrandr if you can enable your monitor with xrandr you can create a a bash script like this #!/bin/bash xrandr ...your option xrandr ...another option after you did save this on ~/.kde/Autostart/ so everytime you load kde it will load your script you can do this stuff from systemsettings here http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-gp1841 2012/5/24 Björn Ballard bjorn.ball...@gmail.com I would be grateful for help with this too. I too am using Kubuntu 12.04 (with KDE 4.8.3). I use a laptop exclusively. Whenever I have the external monitor plugged in I have to configure KDE to extend the desktop on to it. I would like to know if it's possible, and how to, store the configuration of external monitor to the left of the laptop with the desktop expanded onto it (instead of cloned), and have it automatically use this configuration only when the external monitor is connected. Many thanks Björn On 24 May 2012 12:53, Marcelo Magno T. Sales mmtsa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I would like to extend my desktop to my second monitor. KDE defaults to clone the image of the main monitor on the secondary monitor. I can setup the desktop the way I want, with the secondary monitor above the primary one, using KDE System Settings. However, this setup does not survive a reboot and every time I turn on the computer, I have to setup the desktop again. Is there a way to make the dual monitors configuration to stick using KDE's GUI tools or do I need to create a xorg.conf file and edit it manually? I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin). Thanks, Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. -- Equal Rights, Representation, Education and Welfare ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
On 05/24/2012 07:22 PM, Nowardev-Team wrote: NB THE bash script must be executable to do that just do chmod +x your_name_bashscript_for_xrandr *to see your aviable options you can just type on konsole xrandr * No, it's just possible using the display settings in the settings. Select Display and Monitor, select Multiple Monitors, and there you are. It works very good. Stef ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
2012/5/24 Stef Bon s...@bononline.nl: On 05/24/2012 07:22 PM, Nowardev-Team wrote: NB THE bash script must be executable to do that just do chmod +x your_name_bashscript_for_xrandr *to see your aviable options you can just type on konsole xrandr * No, it's just possible using the display settings in the settings. Select Display and Monitor, select Multiple Monitors, and there you are. It works very good. Stef It works, but after a reboot KDE forgets what had been configured and goes back to clone mode again. Even if you Save as default in System Settings, the configuration is lost after a reboot. Is there a way to make it stick? Thanks, Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
2012/5/24 Nowardev-Team nowar...@gmail.com: i guess you should use xrandr if you can enable your monitor with xrandr you can create a a bash script like this #!/bin/bash xrandr ...your option xrandr ...another option after you did save this on ~/.kde/Autostart/ so everytime you load kde it will load your script you can do this stuff from systemsettings here http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-gp1841 Thanks, but I'm looking for a way to accomplish this using the GUI, for a user who lacks the skills to set it up using scripts, CLI or editing configuration files. []'s Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
well if system settings module doens't handle it it could be : a bug of kcm module a bug of your video driver in the both of cases you can only fix in few time with xrandr and the script or you should open a bug report and wait until someone fix it your choice ! 2012/5/24 Marcelo Magno T. Sales mmtsa...@gmail.com 2012/5/24 Nowardev-Team nowar...@gmail.com: i guess you should use xrandr if you can enable your monitor with xrandr you can create a a bash script like this #!/bin/bash xrandr ...your option xrandr ...another option after you did save this on ~/.kde/Autostart/ so everytime you load kde it will load your script you can do this stuff from systemsettings here http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-gp1841 Thanks, but I'm looking for a way to accomplish this using the GUI, for a user who lacks the skills to set it up using scripts, CLI or editing configuration files. []'s Marcelo ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
